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I guess I've heard that said about every car since 1955. Really, since there are 10's of 1000's of car designs, parts of every car will remind you of parts of some other car.
The real question is, do all the parts work together. I think the Genesis is a very pleasing and well-balanced design. It will stand out in a crowd, but won't stick out like a sore thumb. The real magic in the Genesis is in the cabin, under the hood, and on the window sticker.
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Not bad, but that vertical grille element is very odd.
Not a bad execution in my opinion but I still wish that they'd kept the concept's front and tail lenses.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-12-05-hyundai-genesis_N.htm
This gives Hyundai a great opportunity to show what they can do. Being a current Hyundai owner, i have mixed reviews about the product. I bought a 07 Elantra, which was build in oct 06 against my better judgment. Never buying a first model year redesign i mean.
Its had peanty of glitches so far so i have to wait and see about the long term verdict. I know the critics just cant wait to slam Hyundai for their first effort, but look at the current selection of luxury cars and all i can say is, until everyone offers their protective warranty and shows more care for quality, they should keep their mouths shut.
Err where do you get that from? Most BMW transmissions are made by ZF anyway and not by BMW. I haven't seen any kind of high failure rate for BMW automatics in the past few years.
BMW - I can't remember the last time that I heard about BMW has tranny issues, whether its manual or automatic. Last I checked, most BMW models are selling like hot cakes, especially the 5-series (Genesis' intended competitor).
Infiniti - A long as Infiniti keeps putting out good products like the M and G they don't have to worry about the "loyal followers" issue. People know a good product when they see one.
Lexus - What is a 460H? If you are thinking LS460 then I have to tell you that It'll be an achievement if Genesis can match the GS in terms of interior build and material quality, nevertheless the LS. All Lexus sedans don't have flashy interiors but their quality is probably at worst the second best in class (behind MB) if not the best.
I don't think Hyundai will have trouble selling the Genesis, but it'll be interesting to see who will take the biggest hit due to it. My guess is not from any of the above...
CR BAD BETS
These vehicles showed multiple Used Car Verdicts that were much worse than average, according to our survey respondents. They consistently had more problems than other models overall.
BMW 7 Series
BMW X5 (V8)
Chevrolet Astro
Chevrolet Blazer
Chevrolet Express
Chevrolet S-10 (4WD)
Chevrolet Venture
Chevrolet Uplander
Chrysler
Town & Country (AWD)
Dodge
Grand Caravan (AWD)
GMC Jimmy
GMC Sonoma (4WD)
GMC Safari
GMC Savana
Infiniti QX56
Jaguar S-Type
Jaguar X-Type
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Kia Sedona
(except ‘06)
Land Rover Discovery
Land Rover LR3
Lincoln Aviator
Lincoln Navigator
Mercedes-Benz CLK
Mercedes-Benz
M-Class (V8)
Mercedes-Benz
S-Class (V8)
Mercedes-Benz SL
Nissan Armada
Nissan Titan
Oldsmobile Bravada
Oldsmobile Cutlass
Oldsmobile Silhouette
Pontiac Aztek
Pontiac Trans Sport
Pontiac Montana
Pontiac Montana SV6
Volkswagen Cabrio
Volkswagen Jetta
(turbo, gas)
Volkswagen Jetta (V6)
Volkswagen
New Beetle (4-cyl.)
Volkswagen Touareg
Volvo XC90 (6-cyl.)
The 7-Series which everyone knows is a nightmare and I completely agree with that assessment. Most of its problems are electrical problems associated with the iDrive and other related systems.
The X5, and only the V8 mind you, because most of the problems with that car had to do with the engine and some of the higher end options only available on V8 cars.
So many cars out in the market places will eventually run together looks wise, so it's unrealistic that Hyundai will come up with something totally different.
At the price range of low to mid 30's, this car should be great for Hyundai.
The current $85,000 Lexus LS looks way too much like a Toyota Camry, so you can't complain too much about the direction Hyundai is going.
Thats why we have people who keep track of that data so we can make an informed purchase decision. Otherwise we are at the hands of smiling salesman telling us to trust them about what the cars long term durability is. But no matter how much evidence is out there, you still have people who will deny the facts, like the paper airplane in Planet Of the Apes, simply destroy the evidence and cry "nonsense!"
Highest-selling car: 3 Series convertible, coupe, sedan and wagon *
Base price: $32,400
2006 sales: 120,180 (up 12%)
Lowest-selling car: 6 Series convertible and coupe
Base price: $73,900
2006 sales: 9,322 (down 6%)
Up 12 percent. Very good but certainly not hotcakes. Heres some hotcake models for you....
Hyundai
Highest-selling car: Sonata sedan *
Base price: $17,345
2006 sales: 149,513 (up 15%)
Lowest-selling car: Tiburon coupe
Base price: $16,595
2006 sales: 17,382 (down 16%)
Nissan
Highest-selling car: Altima sedan *
Base price: $17,750
2006 sales: 232,457 (down 9%)
Lowest-selling car: 350Z convertible and coupe
Base price: $27,650
2006 sales: 24,635 (down 10%)
Toyota
Highest-selling car: Camry convertible, coupe and sedan
Base price: $18,470
2006 sales: 448,445 (up 4%)
Lowest-selling car: Land Cruiser SUV *
Base price: $56,215
2006 sales: 3,376 (down 31%)
Please note the BMW's take four models combined to reach their sales figures. To be fair, the BMW's base prices are the highest of the group at 32,400 which does make a difference in sales of course. However, if you compare direct cars in BMW's class, BMW outsells them but the competition starts out at a higher base price...so sales are going to be just as lopsided that way as here. BMW does sell well, but as an overall sales drive it counts four models to be top selling compared to other cars here. F----s.com provided the data. I can't use the source names on here so F----s.com and CR are ok because i dont actually say who they are.
Oh, by the way..loyal followers are important. GM and Ford thought that didn't matter either and look where it got them.
BMW started their pre-paid maintenance program to cover their own [non-permissible content removed] because people wouldn't have the service work done on their leases. It is the bare minimum to get the car through the lease and I would be hesitant to buy an off lease CPO BMW that only had the pre-paid services done.
Do the proper maintenance on a BMW and it will out run most any other car on the road. It probably won't be as reliable as a Lexus/Toyota Honda/Acura but not by much.
People looking at the Genesis are mostly likely the upper end Camry/Accord crowd who want to upgrade to a nicer luxury car, but don't want to pay Lexus dollars.
The 7-Series which everyone knows is a nightmare and I completely agree with that assessment.
I don't know who "everyone" is but sorry, you are wrong on this and I couldn't disagree more. It sounds more like, I heard this from someone, who heard it from someone else...etc.
And if quoting CR doesn't bolster my case, you have no case.
Yeah, under your pillow.
I have no doubt the Genesis will be the best Hyundai yet...but one must always remember, the competition is a moving target.
The Genesis will sell and will be reliable and will help Hyundai step one step closer to Number 5 in the world. No stinky, sweaty socks, bald heads or snobbish German automotive reliability imcompetents.
More brand names to prop up your shallow ego's and disparaging hearts. Oooh, I just got a nasty image of Donald Trump in my head. Those lips! And that hair!
Ya all fi-y-aaaa-ed! :mad:
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
I wonder if Hyundai will come up with anything like BMWs free maintenance for the Genesis, since Hyundai is renowned for its warranty program?
Just because I can afford a BMW doesn't mean it suits me. I don't believe in rewarding shoddy engineering with my hard-earned dollars, either. I have friends and relatives that own Bimmers and MB's, and their problem index is pretty high. It's curious to me that even though their cars are always in the shop for something, they still feel they are worth the headache and expense.
To be honest, I don't think I will ever be serious about buying a Genesis, but it will be tempting. My wife and me put our needs above style. She drives a Sonata, I drive a Toyota pickup, and we're pretty content for now.
PS: "My Mama didn't raise no ignorant children!!"
That's what happened to me, but in our case it was an Acura CL Type S!!
I really don't think BMW thinks its potential buyers are stupid. Indeed, they probably think they are smart shoppers, have heard about reliability issues and high service costs with BMWs, and thus BMW offers the 4 years of free maintenance. I think it's a good perk for a luxury car. I am wondering if Hyundai will do something similar for the Genesis.
Also I don't think it's accurate to say that BMWs cost "thousands and thousands of dollars" more than competitors. They aren't bargain priced to be sure, but are they thousands and thousands of dollars more than a comparable Audi or Mercedes? I don't think so. Do they cost a lot more than a Genesis will? It appears so. Advantage Hyundai.
http://www.carspyshots.net/showthread.php?t=14287&page=5
Looks darn good
No, I guess not, but that BMW badge is still very expensive for what you get!
I'll await evidence of a single conquest buyer from BMW to Hyundai.
I think they should change their logo...
MB and BMW are going to be least effected by it.
Manufacturers should be rewarded for building good cars, and punished for building bad ones, not rewarded for a designer badge. There's a sucker born every minute that believes a badge stands for something. Those days are long gone.
Heck, even Toyota did it when they came up with the belt buckle logo ca. 1991. And of course they invented a new badge and brand for Lexus. Was that a car for suckers? Sometimes it is just astute marketing...
It won't make the cars any better or worse. It may have a placebo effect on some.
That's kind of my point in all this...
Thinking toward the future, I would look at Genesis, Lexus LS, Infiniti M and possibly Buick Super (if GM gets it right).
Many years agon I purchased a Saab Turbo because CR said it was a very reliable car. 36 trips to the dealership in first 18 months and all covered by warranty. I rely heavily on CR for reliability ratings because no body else really does it, but I also take them with a bag of salt.
BTW, 2006 Azera rated much better than average by CR, 2007 now rated worse than average. How did it drop so far in a few months?
Mine has 7,000 miles and 8 months and performs flawlesly. No repairs at all, unless you consider replacing the shocks.
I think Hyundai should have released the Veracruz under another brand name or a new updated Logo. They should do the same with the Genesis too. This would reduce the hurdle of stigma that exists and many can not look past.
No matter, this is an awesome vehicle and I know I made a great choice!
Craig
'08 Veracruz Limited
A rose by any other name smells just as sweet!
Quality earns trust for a badge, a fancy new badge does not automatically garner trust.
I do think the Vera Cruz and Genesis should be sold only by "premium" Hyundai dealers. I think there should be strict qualifications, and dealers should be required to prove they are willing and able to deliver a level of customer service that's on par with Lexus, etc.
That may be a mistake. Remember VW having premium dealers for their luxury sedan. It was a flop. The more dealers that are available the better chance of success.