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Yes, get the RS. The Accord mentioned in your profile is boring in comparison, and lacks AWD.
Once you get it keep us posted.
-juice
Other than that, I'm not sure why it's an option.
-Colin
ateixeira-
Thanks, the Accord is no longer on my list; I've updated my profile. I am still looking for a '98 Nissan 200SX SE-R though.
I prefer the previous generation Sentra SE-R. The 200SX gained some weight and I believe it has the torsion beam rear suspension (i.e. not fully independent).
-juice
Lesser systems (namely GM's Stabillitrak - excluding the system fitted to the Cadillac lineup though) monitor wheel movement at a slower rate, hence the reduction in effectiveness.
Drew/aling
Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
It's either fully independent or it's not. They love to call it a "Multi-Link Beam", so you think multi-link suspension, but the fact is they're primarily torsion beams derived from the Nissan Quest minivan. Very humbling.
I believe the Altima is the only one left with a true independent rear. Still, it fell dead last in JD Power's APPEAL study.
-juice
WRT the Altima, it figures. I've never found it that interesting. I don't even really like the new Maxima's look all that much. It is tolerable in SE trim, but I don't like the GXE or GLE (mainly because of the ugly wheels). FWIW, I like the I30's look much much more. In fact, even more so than the Acura 3.2TL.
Drew/aling
Townhall Community Leader/Vans Conference
Still, for all its sporting intensions you'd think an IRS was a prerequisite. My 3 cylinder '86 Chevy Sprint Metro had one.
-juice
-mike
Of course the Legacy GT has one now...
-juice
-Brian/subearu
tom-
I think you should hang in a little and wait for the H6. In both cases you are getting an auto tranny, so the 5-speed thing (avail. on lower end H4 Outbacks like mine) isn't the issue. The six sounds like it is a smoother, more refined plant, and it certainly has power. You will get much better mileage than your pathfinder too. Lighter (maybe), more aerodynamic, lower rolling resistance.
So a boxer 4 Outback, with the same size tires and better low end torque from the Phase II engine, ought to be able to make it on level sand, especially since you're experienced. However, it is a few hundred pounds heavier than my ride, so torque will be only adequate for the soft stuff. I doubt you'll be climbing steep dunes.
That's why I'd say splurge for the H6. The H4 typically gets 20s mileage, anywhere from 22 and up. But the H6 is efficient, too, at an estimated 19/24 (C&D), perhaps better. With all the reserve power, you won't have to rev much, so you'll likely get only a couple less mpg.
The H6 also has 210 lb-ft vs. 166 lb-ft. Better yet, it makes 174lb-ft at just 2200rpm, more than the boxer 4 makes at its peak! That's important because you can't rev it up to 4000rpm on sand - you'd just dig yourself in.
So without the low range, that torque really comes in handy on soft ground. It may not make as much torque as truck engines, but considering it's a much lighter vehicle, it ought to do well.
-juice
I had an '85 SE, which was the first year of FWD.
Nice car in its day, but my current Legacy GT produces 165 hp with its H4 vs. the 152 produced by that maxima's 6. The Legacy also handles better, at least as far as I can remember. Maxima was twitchy with major understeer.
tried to hook up with the intrepid Patti, but initial delays on the shop end meant it was not to be. I will say I have never seen so many soobs in my life. the parking lot of SOA was, well friends, it was beautiful. Mostly OB and Foresters, but some GTs and a Justy!
Had lunch at the lovely Famous King of Pizza, and headed home. When I go back up for my short shifter, we'll try again!
I just ould not resist reproducing it here:
>As far as the recalls go, the dealerships don't >have the info to know what to do yet, so the >recalls can't even be done yet
[meaning -- he's still driving with THAT steering wheel ??? --Kate]
>Oh, by the way, I love my Escape and wouldn't >trade it for anything, but at 2500 miles, the >transmission went out and the whole transmission >had to be replaced.
[even on my Escort, tranny lasted 66K mi]
>Just be careful where you go. The 1-800# people >didn't help at all because it was a holiday.
[yep, better yet leave this SUV at home. Take your Civic instead]
>Just thought I would let all you guys know.
[Thanks! it made my day]
..Mike
..Mike
>Was going to the bank this morning. This guy
>pulled in beside me in a brend new Aztex, red &
>black, reeeel ugly ! He saw me looking at it and
>began to smile. "Really UGLY ain't she" he said. >I not wanting to hurt his feelings so I asked >"how does it handle"? "Could care less said he". >"it's for my soon to be ex-wife". "I have to >supply her with a new vehicle according to the >divorce decree and I looked for the most butt >ugly car I could find" "How do you think I did" >"Fantastic I said". He walked into the bank >chuckling to himself. He did GOOD.
The original SE had a better power to weight ratio, the true multi-link rear, and could circle a track faster. Even in a straight line the new one has failed to match the original SE (I think 6.7s to 60 was the benchmark).
I thought the 510 was Datsun's original sports sedan?
Loosh - she was there, you just couln't catch up to her H6 LL Bean!
Kate: thanks for sharing that. Told you the CD4E tranny was a time bomb.
-juice
Bob
I LOVE Aztec humor! Please keep it coming! I guess the Aztec thread is good comic relief, eh? Must be flame wars there.
Here's a question for the Crew. If you won one, for free, but had to drive it daily, would you take it? Not me.
-juice
Ross
Bob
I remember pricing used Maximas back in 92, and all mechanics recommended vintage 85-88. Back then, in NADA books Max was classified as Category 3 (near-luxury), along with Volvos. Camry/Accord was category 2.
Styling and that flavor of prestige that Max had back then went downhill after that. Don't know about handling and power, those probably improved. I liked Maxima at EdmundsLive but cannot stand styling. My friend has Max'00, and complains about very poor gas mileage (she says, like her old Explorer).
Anyway, I feel lucky I did not buy that used Max'87 for $7.5K in 1992. Instead, I bought new Subaru Loyale for $9.5K and lived happily ever after.
Free Aztec? Naw, I wouldn't be able to stand having to drive around with a paper bag on my head.
Ken
Bob - no fair, I said you'd have to drive it daily!
Kate: I think that Max had 160hp. The next generation had 160hp standard, 190hp with the SE. The 1995 got the 190hp standard, and the 2000 gets 222hp. Still, they're porkier.
Ken: what if you could wear a helmet? Still, when you parked people would see you...
-juice
Somehow I always thought that moonroof indicates a powered sliding thingie, and sunroof indicates pop-up non-sliding thingie. I also think that sunroof is also used as a generic term for any glass in your roof, no matter sliding/powered or pop-up.
I think you should hang in a little and wait for
the H6. In both cases you are getting an auto
tranny, so the 5-speed thing (avail. on lower endH4 Outbacks like mine)" post#1969
Just want to clear up any erroneous info: The H4 OB Ltd wagon is available w/manual or auto (not just auto). The OB Ltd sedan is available w/auto only. To complicate matters, the OB Ltd wagon in Canada is available w/auto only. The H6 is correctly stated as available in auto only.
The H4 w/manual yields a noticeably quicker feeling in acceleration than the auto H4. The manual tranny uses a 50/50 split AWD system. The auto H4 uses a 90/10 AWD system that automatically adjusts the power split based on detection of slippage. It is combined w/the std ltd slip that allows power to be applied side-to-side on the rear wheels. It's this difference in AWD systems that convinced me to go w/the auto H4 in my 00'OB Ltd wagon. In the future, I may trade up to the H6 VDC.
Hope this helps and doesn't add to your indecision :-)
Stephen
Stephen
A sunroof is made of whatever the body is (usually metal) and therefore is not see through.
:-D
-Colin
EDIT: man you guys are FAST. I agree with Stephen, obviously.
* The reason that I say this is that the 00 OB doesn't have the capacity to hold a full size spare in the spare tire well. I don't know what the regs are for the OBX, but every beach that I know of (in MA) that allows over the sand vehicle access requires that you have a full size spare tire. I was able to somewhat get around it by using a smaller full size tire for the spare, but because of the AWD and LSD, there are concerns about this if you actually need to use your spare. This still sticks in my craw that Subaru markets a mild "off-road" vehicle and then doesn't give you all the tools so to speak. Anyone whpo goes off-road without a full size spare tire is just crazy IMHO. Sorry for the long post.
Hmmm. How about a Darth Vader helmet. Now that would look the part! How about leveraging the looks and features of the Aztec to make an unforgettable entrance at a Halloween party:
- Win a black Aztec
- Don a Darth Vader suit
- Fill front cooler with water and dry ice to produce smoke in cabin
- Crawl to rear hatch and crank up the stereo with the Empire theme from Star Wars
- Pop open that rear hatch
- Impress your friends as you crawl out the Aztec with smoke and music pouring out the rear hatch
How's that for an "active" lifestyle? Too bad Halloween only comes once a year...
Sunroof is when you can only see out when it's sunny. Rain means it's closed so no view.
Moonroof is so you can see semi drivers moon you from their windows, rain or shine, obviously!
Marketing folks will always create exceptions.
The Impreza 2.5RS has a sunroof, if you'd like to check one out. Outbacks and Foresters have moonroofs.
Mine is a glass, but it's not powered, so it's generally called a pop-up moonroof. Of course, it's manufactured by American Sunroof Company (ASC), but that doesn't mean much because they almost make convertibles! Confusing enough?
Eugene: any photos on Nauset Beach? Have you driven the Outback there yet? How'd it do? My guess is ... fine.
Ken: guess it's not far from a "Death Star", given the poor performance of the platform in IIHS tests!
-juice
"impressive..."
*koooosh- chaaaaaaa* *kooooooosh- chaaaaaaaaa*
Bob
Moonroof = Glass sliding into the headliner
Sunroof = Manual popup Glass or Roof material, or powered sliding that goes above the roof when retracted (ala 2.5RS)
The new legacy models have a sunroof in the front and a moon roof in the back.
-mike
Subaru uses metadata app to track customers, CRN.
Subaru of America, Inc. Named as One of CMP InformationWeek`s 500 Most Innovative Users of Information Technology
For enginerds only. Like me.
..Mike
..Mike
Bob
Patti indicated in her post #1882 on Saturday, "I'll ask about that (the spare) and the VDC on Monday."
I am sure she will be able to give us a response on the spare issue and the availability of the OB Sedan VDC. She is probably enjoying the H6 at the moment. So would I, if I was in her shoes.
Daniel
It sounds great, but I bet those batterys are going to be expensive to replace.
Bob
http://www.roadandtrack.com/RoadAndTrack/FrameSet/0,1169,_sl_RoadAndTrack_sl_DailyInsider_sl_1_cm_1175_cm_0_cm_00,00.html
paisan - should we be surprised by your unique opinion?
Actually, thinking back to the ads, I think SoA called them "two sunroofs, nice touch!" when they came out. So there's yet another opinion.
Bob - we'll save Patti some time: we're mostly Daves (plus a few Mikes that got written permission for the exception) that use Macs and have pets (usually 2 dogs), net savvy, affluent, and enjoy the outdoors (really, not just in commercials).
But you're right, Daniel, she's probably out on the streets enjoying those 212 horses. So would I if I were her...
-juice
-juice