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Paul - you could always have it legally changed, or name your kid Dave. ;-)
-juice
I saw a new color chart at Subaru Santa Cruz. It looks like Forester 2002 will have most of Impreza colors, sans Blaze Yellow and WR Blue. Silvethorn will be replaced with Platinum Silver. Black will be available on S+ model only (???). As in 2001, S+ will be available only in red, black, silver and white. Red will come with beige interior, the rest of S+ will be with grey interior. The grey and beige leather will be available as a factory-installed option.
As reported earlier, cladding is changing from Titanium Pearl to Greystone Silver. On pictures, Greystone looks distinctly more greyish and silverish as opposed to golden look of Titanium, but I heard that "in person" they look really close.
I briefly scanned the Ouback colors, and it looks like it's losing Winestone for year 2002. Too bad, that Winestone, coupled with Titanium pearl was so gorgeous...
A Blaze Yellow Forester would be hilarious, but a turbo would be a must.
-juice
what ever happened to that nice Ice Blue Metallic that many Loyales/GL/DL wagons had? I guess 1992 was the last year this color was available from Subaru. From what I see on old wagons, this color holds up pretty well, so it was not a durability issue with the paint, I guess.
--Kate
-Greg
Saw a reference in one of the reviews to a "VDC OFF" switch for "deep snow conditions". Is that a tacit admission by Subaru that the VDC won't work well in deep snow? Will they be retrofitting existing units with a switch or new software to fix it if that is the case?
Enquiring minds want to know!
Theo
It's been a while since I posted here. I was actually bumming around at some international Suby BBS. anyhow I notice that Foresters exists in 250hp versions!!!!! ZOINKS! Is this true? Any Forester connoisseur here? Juicemon?
Can you imagine? Swee-heat!
-juice
However - those get a low range!
-juice
Subaru
• '02 Outback H-6 VDC sedan is wearing Bridgestone Protenzas, and no longer Firestone Wilderness. Same size tire as last year.
• VDC models now have an on/off switch for the VDC. A number of folks had wished for this feature.
• The US-rally WRX (on display) is NOT the same as used overseas. Instead, it is just a modified road car. It has the HID headlamps from the [non-permissible content removed]-WRX (boy they look good!). It was wearing 205/65x15 (you read that size correctly) Pirelli P Zeros. Boy, those tires sure have an aggressive tread pattern. Picked up a brochure on Subaru's history in rallying. It's an interesting read.
• Had a nice chat with our friend Omar from the Philly show. He remembered me (or our group).
• Big crowds around the WRXs, and most Subarus on display. They had some nice cut-aways of the WRX engine, body and H-6 engine on display. Foresters were 2001 models, not '02s.
Others
• Biggest surprise for me was the new Nissan Altma. Get this: It's now the size of an Accord or Camry. It comes with either a 180 HP 2.5L four—or a 240 HP 3.5L V6! It's as big (and more powerful) than the Maxima! It's also great looking to boot! It also comes with xenon headlights—a first in this price range. Subaru needs to up the ante with both the 2.5 H-4 and the H-6 to remain competitive. My request for a 3.5 H-6 now seems reasonable, if not prudent.
Infiniti also introduced a 250 HP (10 more than the Altima) 3.5 I-35 , which replaces the I-30. The question is: What's going to happen to the Maxima? Reports are it too will receive a power boost in a few months.
• The Evo VII also looked good. In fact, IMO, it's a better looking car than the WRX. It's coming in about a year.
• The new Audi A-4 now has a wheelbase that matches the Legacy, comes with a 220 HP 3.0 engine, a 6-speed manual, and looks better than the A-6. Supposedly it will start around $30K. The new A-4 (FWD, not AWD) has an optional CVT that can handle the 220 HP V6 too. The Quattros stay with the 5-speed tip-tronic as an option.
• The new AWD Jag X-Type also will start around $30K. It's also available with either a 5-speed manual or a 5-speed automatic, in either the 2.5 or 3.0 V6s.
• There were a couple of really interesting (and good looking) Volvo concepts on display.
• Acura's RSX looks even better in person, than in the pictures. The headlights are similar to the S2000, in that the fender pulls back pretty sharply. Yep, they've got the duel lower blips that are found on several new cars, including the '02 Acura TL. Visually the package works (for me). The overall look is full of current styling cues that Acura is now using. It's now clearly part of the Acura "family," unlike the old Integra. The 2.0L, 200 HP S-Type should go for around $25K, and that comes with a 6-speed only. The regular RSX comes with a 160 HP 2.0L, and is available with a 5-speed manual or a 5-speed Sport-Shift automatic.
• Loved the Civic Si hatchback. It's got a 160 HP 1.6L engine. This car was originally designed specifically for the European market, and is in fact built in the UK. That explains why this is such a bold design for Honda. The Europeans are much more receptive to radical design than Americans. We won this time!
• Loved the Mini. I was able to sit in one. The guy who followed me, was about 6'8" and he managed to squeeze inside. The car's a hoot! Great "fun" colors. If BMW can screw these things together right, it will be as popular as the new Beetle There was a huge crowd around the 2 or 3 they had on display. These will be sold through MinI franchises, like any other brand. You can bet many BMW dealers will be getting franchises. The guy I spoke to said there would be 70 dealers throughout the country, which doesn't sound like much at all. Prices are supposed to start around $18K, and go up to around $25K.
• Loved the Mazda 4-door RX-8 rotory-engine sports coupe. I'm convinced the 4-door (w/2 suicide doors) sport coupe is a great idea. Just wish it were AWD.
• Mercedes had their new S600 V-12 sedan on display. I was surprised that they let people sit in it. Mercedes also had the G500 Geländewagen there. The G-wagon brochure was an application to enter the fictitious "Cameroon-Timbuktu" Rally. It was a great concept for a brochure.
• Speaking of big-buck-rides: There were Aston Martins, Ferraris, Lotus, Lamborginis, Panoz, Saleen, Rolls Royces & Bentleys (all roped off) and other exotics I can't remember.
Bottom Line
Subaru has got their work cut out for them. There's a lot of great looking new (FWD & AWD) cars now in all the price/market segments Subaru is pursuing.
Bob
That engine debuted (in north america) in the 1994 del Sol VTEC, same horsepower. It's going to take more to impress me. And no wonder it looks like a Focus-- it was built to compete against them in the European market!
-Colin
Too bad its FWD
Personally, the RS-X and Civic Si are VERY bland designs... Nothing aspiring what so ever, very conservitive like the Civic models and the new CL... And why get the above $20k RS-X base model when you can get the Si with the same engine for $18K? Doesnt make sense!
If it is offered in N.America, and I suspect that it will eventually, Subaru has its work cut out! Bob, is it a sure thing that it's going to be offered? Or is that "in a year" statement just a rumour? BTW juice, the Evo's headlamps also incorporate projector HID Xenon low beams, in addition to the high beams, and driving/foglamps.
These were the pictures that caught my attention:
http://auto.ascii24.com/auto24/e/2001/0207/evop_img/evos26.jpg
http://auto.ascii24.com/auto24/e/2001/0207/evop_img/evos16.jpg (Active suspension setup? - Tarmac/Gravel/Snow)
http://auto.ascii24.com/auto24/e/2001/0207/evop_img/evos10.jpg
http://auto.ascii24.com/auto24/e/2001/0207/evop_img/evo18.jpg
http://auto.ascii24.com/auto24/e/2001/0207/evop_img/evos18.jpg (Active Centre Differential; check out the mirror folding button, paisan!)
Drew
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Bob: thanks for the update. Do you recall if the Potenzas on the VDC were the same size as the Wilderness tires? i.e. 225/60HR16.
You gotta love the subjectiveness of auto styling...
I hate the new Lancer. Awful. The old one is a supermodel in comparison. Its eyes are too wide and straight. Minus the EVO decorations, it's just an ugly econobox to my eyes. I like the seats and the centered tachnometer, but again these are probably EVO details.
The new Civic is OK, but doesn't stand out at all.
The RSX is completely derivative. It looks like what the Insight should have looked like, with the headlights copying Toyota at the top (Celica) and BMW at the bottom (3 series). Nothing original on it at all.
The Altima looks good on paper. I'd like to see how they manage torque steer, though.
-juice
True. It appears to be a lot lower than the Focus. I think it resembles the last generation Civic hatchback more than it does the Focus.
<<The altima isnt as big as the Maxima, not even close! (check the messurements again)>>
According to one report I just read ( I don't remember the source) it's actually LARGER than the current Maxima.
Bob
I also have an early model subie like you do...
Stranger things have happened!
Down with Blue Oval!! Must fight Big Blue, oh wait I like macs too...
-mike
paisan: do you like Aztec jokes? If so, you're twins!
-juice
-mike
-juice
Drew- IMHO, I think the front of the EVo VII and the WRX are about a draw. From the "A" pillar back—and especially from the rear, I think the EVO is a much better looking car. It's also on a longer 102" wheelbase, so the rear passenger room is probably better than that of the WRX. Having said that, I'd still probably buy the WRX, if only because I support Subaru's near 100% AWD product commitment, which Mitsu doesn't do.
kostamojen2- As for the Civic Si vs the base RSX: yes, they put out the same 160 HP, but the Si uses a 1600cc engine, whereas the RSX uses a 2000cc engine. Therefore I would think the RSX has a better/wider powerband.
Bob
These will be niche vehicles, almost a niche within a niche. It'll be interesting to see who buys these.
-juice
Bob
Speaking of Evo, Mark Wan's AutoZine has returned. He likes Lancer Evolution VII GSR over Subaru Impreza WRX . WRX in detail is here ; he starts with the base Impreza, as "it's my policy to describe every car no matter interesting or boring."
Here are two links: Mitsubishi Motors and Evolution VII PDF. What a goldmine of technical specs! Too bad FHI doesn't have the resources to create a similar PDF for the WRC and WRX.
..Mike
..Mike
The Lancer was the Mirage here, but now the name has changed to match most other markets. It's been the Lancer all along in South America.
True, Mistu has far more resources. They probably saved billions by covering up all those recalls for years and years!
-juice
Unsurprisingly Daimler wishes to return them to profitability soon. I am very surprised the marketing arm was able to convince the powers that be to show the Evo7 at the NY autoshow, because it would take a miracle to get such a low volume (and thus very likely unprofitable-- they aren't Porsche) car into the US.
-Colin
Bob
http://www.honda2001.com/civicsi/index.html
Bob
Cheers!
Paul
-juice
These were super links, especially the 32-page PDF. Thanks!
Bob
BTW, has anyone realized that the RS-X has crysler styled headlights?! =^o
And I really dont like the new Lancer, its got a HUGE cabin area that looks FUNKY even on the Evo with the wing and stuff... It looks VERY disproportionate, like the Echo
Meanwhile, the Impreza has perfect proportions and looks EXTREMLY mean on the road
I thought the RSX's lights look like a cross between the Celica and the BMW 3 series. Either way, totally derivative.
The new Impreza has a presence on the road. Like it or not, you will notice it. The front end sure does look aggressive. I prefer the wagon's tail, personally.
Altima is still FWD, that's the catch. Wonder how well it'll put the power down. It's supposed to get big though.
-juice
-juice
Frank
-mike
Nothing has changed regarding our dependance on Ariab oil .. but people, for the last few years, can't get enough of the "Yank Tanks". Oil shortages and or high prices are comming. If it happens now or later .. it's gonna happen.
Partially, I blame the Government for not having an energy policy. We're sitting ducks waiting to be shot!
- hutch
ps - light hearted stuff .. huh ?
-colin
-mike