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  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    You should have called the lot owner and informed him, that becasue of your salesmans blatant lie, he lost a sale. The owner may or may no have appreciated this gesture, but at least he would have had the opportunity to correct one salesmans attitude.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    The lot owner may be the one at fault. S/he may have told the salesman not to tell people that it was a rental.

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,331
    I have often wondered what is wrong with a car if someone wants rid of it after only a year of ownership.

    I used to wonder the same thing until I bought my Mazdaspeed3. I thought I'd try something a bit different from my usual diet of RWD sport sedans. Bad mistake. I'm bored to tears with it, and I'm the type of guy who usually keeps a car for five years or more- I still have the 3 Series I special ordered in 1995. Purchase in haste... :sick:

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    bored to tears with 260+ hp pulling 3100lbs?
    What about it is boring you?

    I made friends yesterday with a guy at the autoX who runs his red MS3 in my class. He ALWAYS gets first place. He really loves the car.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,331
    bored to tears with 260+ hp pulling 3100lbs?
    What about it is boring you?

    FWD, mostly. It's actually pretty pleasant to drive as a grocery getter. It's a dog at HPDE's.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,675
    If a car isn't what you want, life's too short to be unhappy with something unless you can't afford what you'd really like to have.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,331
    If a car isn't what you want, life's too short to be unhappy with something unless you can't afford what you'd really like to have.

    Exactly. I just want to make sure that whatever I replace it with will suit my needs for a very long time. Like I said, this is the first car ever that's turned me off after just one year.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Always pegged jmonroe as a cheapskate, but considered oldfarmer more in the category of frugal.

    I think you have those descriptions reversed. Read on.

    While I usually keep a car for at least 6/7 years before I get rid of it that in no way is indicative of cheapness or frugality. When I do think it's the end of the line for them they have always been very clean cars for their age and under the typical miles for their age. I have never had a problem selling any of them. Plus I now own 2 relatively new beautiful cars (05' and 06'). I've never, even once, had 2 cars so new at the same time. It must be a sign of my wealth and I ain't makin no excuses for that. :P I believe, if anything, I'm the one that is frugal not cheap. :mad:

    On the other hand, 'oldfarmer', has said he's owned cars and trucks much longer than 6/7 years and IIRC he's mentioned that they've had manure ground into the mats and that's if the vehicles even had a floor to hold them. I'm positive that the ones that didn't, were the result of the corrosive affects of the manure. Now that's what I call cheap.

    I don't mind being cited as having a particular trait on these board but lets get the facts straight. There is nothing that gripes me more than being mentioned in the same sentence with a farming cheapskate. :mad: :mad:

    Have a nice day.

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    For clarification:

    Cheapskate
    Main Entry: cheap·skate
    Pronunciation: \ˈchēp-ˌskāt\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1896
    : a miserly or stingy person; especially : one who tries to avoid paying a fair share of costs or expenses

    Frugal
    Main Entry: fru·gal
    Pronunciation: \ˈfrü-gəl\
    Function: adjective
    Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin frugalis virtuous, frugal, from frug-, frux fruit, value; akin to Latin frui to enjoy
    Date: 1590
    : characterized by or reflecting economy in the use of resources

    Just so there's absolutely no misunderstanding.
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Just so there's absolutely no misunderstanding.

    I have no understanding of what you just copied and pasted.

    I just buy things when I want them. Sometimes sooner, sometimes later. :P

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,200
    "...It must be a sign of my wealth...if anything, I'm the one that is frugal not cheap..."

    On the contrary, when you have so much "wealth" and you still cheap out on your cars that is truly the definition of a cheapskate. When, like me, you're poorer than Jed Clampett before the oil, you buy cheap because there is no other choice.

    If you and Jipster want to send a little green my way I'll be glad to roll in some really fine sheet metal. ( I'm thinkin' something from Aston Martin) :)

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    sheesh... ain't you got anything better to do than to look up definitions in a dictionary? Now you got jmonroe and oldfarmer looking for a frugal way to do me in. :cry:
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    It's a dog at HPDE's.

    I'd have to search ... but I seem to recall several of the mags finding the MS3 to be the fastest car at the track for under $30k. ??

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    HPDE?
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 53,349
    high performance driving event. Something like an autocross that you do on a track of some sort with your personal car.

    2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.

  • roadburnerroadburner Member Posts: 18,331
    I'd have to search ... but I seem to recall several of the mags finding the MS3 to be the fastest car at the track for under $30k. ??

    At Putnam Park Road Course I was able to keep up with a couple of Mini Coopers during the instructor sessions, but I had to give a point-by to just about everything else. On top of that, I felt like I was fighting with the car at every turn(pun intended). I just don't think I will ever be happy with a FWD car- no matter how fast it is.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport-2020 C43-1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica
    Wife's: 2021 Sahara 4xe
    Son's: 2018 330i xDrive

  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    On the contrary, when you have so much "wealth" and you still cheap out on your cars that is truly the definition of a cheapskate.

    Who said I “cheaped out”? I bought exactly what I wanted as I always do. Because it didn’t cost what others think you have to spend to get quality/reliability is not my problem. Having a buying attitude like mine helps to achieve wealth. Try it for 40 + years then you’ll know what I’m talking about. However, given you’re an old farmer you probably don’t have the time for this but you should pass this philosophy onto your youngins. It’s not too late for them. :)

    If you and Jipster want to send a little green my way I'll be glad to roll in some really fine sheet metal.

    You must be harvesting some pretty good stuff to even think that’ll happen. :P

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    I bought exactly what I wanted as I always do.

    Now it becomes clear as to why your wife needs to hint about getting a dinette set. She needs to somehow make you think it's your idea. Car salespeople are pretty good at that.
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    Don't worry. They are both too cheap, uh... frugal, to put much effort in. :)

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    They are both too cheap, uh... frugal, to put much effort in.

    Perhaps they are being penurious. Or would that be parsimonious?

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • jmonroejmonroe Member Posts: 8,989
    Perhaps they are being penurious. Or would that be parsimonious?

    Nope, neither of those. Just understanding of what something is worth, will be worth and what it can do for you.

    Things on wheels usually depreciate. ;)

    jmonroe

    '15 Genesis V8 with Ultimate Package and '18 Legacy Limited 6 cyl

  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    "Things on wheels usually depreciate. "
    Except for hot dog stands. Those usually appreciate and so do the customers.
    :shades:
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Member Posts: 2,039
    There's a very special place in my heart for hotdog stands. When I retire, I'm buying me one and going to sell me some hotdogs.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,736
    So all you need to do is find yourself an ex-broker who is delivering packages on a bike in NYC. Give him a couple grand and he'll make his big comeback in the market by exponentially multiplying your money so you can afford your lifelong dream of a hotdog stand.

    sorry, folks. just had to do it. for those scratching their heads, this is a Kevin Bacon movie reference.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,351
    I would like to give it a try with tamales!!! :)

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    Gee, it suddenly got quiet in here. You salesmen aren't doing enough misleading....
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Member Posts: 2,039
    Sorry, we're currently under negotiations for a hotdog stand. I plan to go out on a limb and offer bratwursts and sauerkraut on mine.

    Now I just have to talk down the potential seller. I'll let you know if he misleads me.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Sauerkraut is a must have. Can't believe Costco stopped offering it. Now if you can only match Costco's $1.49 for a polish dog and soda...... ;)
  • fezofezo Member Posts: 10,386
    I should have known there was a deal afoot...
    2015 Mazda 6 Grand Touring, 2014 Mazda 3 Sport Hatchback, 1999 Mazda Miata 2004 Toyota Camry LE, 1999.
  • mackabeemackabee Member Posts: 4,709
    "Gee, it suddenly got quiet in here. You salesmen aren't doing enough misleading.... "

    I'm actually going on a limb and negotiating a deal on a burrito stand. It's probably going to be tougher since we just got our own Chipotle grill in downtown Va Beach and there is also a plethora of Mexican restaurants!
    However comma I think I might have a chance though with the catchy name I'll put on my stand:
    "Pacolito's Burritos, where the only thing that runs on beans is the cart!" I'm thinking of making it a hybrid and running it on jalapeno peppers, beans, and tortilla chips. Emissions will be silent but deadly, but only to pests.
    :shades:
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    You salesmen aren't doing enough misleading...

    Either that or they are doing such a great job of it that no one even realizes they've been misled! :P

    Just kidding, of course. :)

    It will pick up as it always does at the end of the Summer.

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel Member Posts: 19,592
    It could be that Edmunds is such a great source of information that the average Edmunds reader is so well informed that it is impossible for a salesman to mislead them.

    ok now do I get my money?

    2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D

  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,200
    "...they are doing such a great job of it that no one even realizes they've been misled!..."

    If a salesman gets that good he usually goes right into politics and we lose him to the dark side. :cry:

    The guys on here must be pretty good though, I'm having bratwurst for breakfast.

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    Well said! The check is in the mail! ;)

    I will, however, resist the temptation to follow up on Oldfarmer's political opening. :shades:

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • alic3alic3 Member Posts: 15
    Hi all,

    I have a question. We purchased an EX-L yesterday in Southern California and the "finance guy" told us that the alarm in the odyssey was a piece of junk that only sounds when the door opens....he said NOTHING about the fact that it comes with an ignition immobilizer or that it has basically all of the features that the Karr upgrade alarm has other than the shock sensors and starter disable. The dealer already has the Karr alarm preinstalled and just activates it or deactivates upon the car leaving the lot so its pretty much a scam. We were misled into thinking that the Odyssey did not have an ignition security system....what legally are allowed as a refund on the upgraded dealer installed alarm if we just purchased the vehicle..I know warranties can be cancelled in 30 days...does the same go for the dealer alarm? The dealer says they don't know how to remove the alarm.

    Thanks
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Member Posts: 2,039
    That's just horrible. Legally, you are in the right to be able to cancel. They misled/lied to you about the existing alarm.

    If the alarm is already preinstalled on all their vehicles, then they are incurring the costs for this. If they can turn it off and on, then just have them turn it off and give you your money back. No harm, no foul. Do not ask them to remove anything from the vehicle as I'm sure even more electrical problems will emerge from that.

    How much did they charge you? Have you already had a discussion with them about refunding your money? Keep going up the chain of command until you get the answer you need.

    Good luck!
  • jchevroletjchevrolet Member Posts: 30
    I am very glad to see that there are knowledgeable sales people in Forums like this to represent salespeople. Unfortunatly due to the repuation of the business it is a widespread myth that salespeople (esp. in the Auto industry) do everything that they can including lie to make gross profit. Agreed that repuation is at stake, as well as money from bonus' from CSI scores.

    In this day and age of sales the consumer is sometimes more educated than the saleperson on the product that they are buying. Not so true in the case of the gentleman who purchased the Acura. I do think that the saleperson made a product knowledge mistake, but needless to say, it was a costly mistake to his repuation, the dealer's reputation, and to the customer's pocketbook.

    Jupiter Chevrolet
  • oldfarmer50oldfarmer50 Member Posts: 24,200
    "...I am glad to see that there are knowledgeable sales people in Forums like this..."

    I agree. It would be nice if there were a forum where these knowledgeable sales people could share their stories and experiences. I'm sure it would be popular. ;)

    2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible

  • nonjth13nonjth13 Member Posts: 91
    "It would be nice if there were a forum where these knowledgeable sales people could share their stories and experiences. I'm sure it would be popular."

    Just the other day my salesman told me that there was such a place. So far all I have found is a corn field in Iowa. I have been misled.
  • traindrivertraindriver Member Posts: 328
    Oldfarmer,
    A few have taken up the cause over in the "Lost -- Ask a host for help" forum. I'm not sure about the progress being made though.
  • tidestertidester Member Posts: 10,059
    I'm not sure about the progress being made though.

    Be assured that we are taking all the comments provided quite seriously. Intractable problems require finite time to resolve. :)

    tidester, host
    SUVs and Smart Shopper
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    I'm glad that it's finite as compared to infinite.
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    I agree. It would be nice if there were a forum where these knowledgeable sales people could share their stories and experiences. I'm sure it would be popular.

    Don't worry old farmer. I think the powers that be just want us to sweat for a little bit. I think after a couple weeks of letting us go through withdrawal, the Stories From the Sales Frontline discussion will be reinstated. That discussion is one of the most popular forums on Edmunds. They can't lose all the advertising money that comes with that. Of course yours truly gets a piece of the pie, for his daily postings. To supplement my income, during this time of transition, I'm helping Click and Clack with their column over at Cars.com. ;)
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • jchevroletjchevrolet Member Posts: 30
    There should be a forum dedicated to professional salespeople who can "mythbust" the stereotypes of the Auto industry. It sre would help us who care, and do have a good repuation!!!

    Thanks a bunch for the input.
  • jipsterjipster Member Posts: 6,296
    There should be a forum dedicated to professional salespeople who can "mythbust" the stereotypes

    Sounds like a good idea for a new discussion... if they don't bring "Stories from the Sales Frontline" back.
    2021 Honda Passport EX-L, 2020 Honda Accord EX-L, 2011 Hyundai Veracruz, 2010 Mercury Milan Premiere.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    So what exactly do you do at Jupiter?
  • traindrivertraindriver Member Posts: 328
    There should be a forum dedicated to professional salespeople who can "mythbust" the stereotypes of the Auto industry. It sre would help us who care, and do have a good repuation!!!

    I would like to see that as well. If handled correctly, there's room for a topic like this and Stories to exist successfully without overlap.
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Member Posts: 2,039
    Hahahaha....

    I'm like a rudderless ship. I have no idea where to post and what to read......

    What to do?

    -moo
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    You can always go back to answering questions and try to catch shifty on points. :shades:
  • madmanmoomadmanmoo Member Posts: 2,039
    Lol, can I be honest? I got tired of that. Perhaps I can try again, but I don't know if I have the energy anymore.

    Thanks for the thought though. ;)
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