I saw the chevy Astro that I sold a year ago to someone who lived 80 miles away. He's still using it to roof houses in my neighborhood. It sounded just like it did when I sold it with 187k miles on it over a year ago. He has not washed it or put air in the tires since he bought it. It has turned from white to gray. But then there are more gray rocks than white ones.
Nice, but those are fairly high miles and it's a 1998 model - 12 model years old. My Grand Marquis had 78,500 on it and it's a 2005 model and I paid $5 more than what they're asking. I wanted another Park Avenue and I encountered a lot of miled-up cars with ridiculous asking-for prices. I guess the secret's out on just what a fine car the Park Avenue was. I dearly miss my 1988 Park Ave!
".....We'll see a real slow car in actuality, I'm sure. "
You're Soooo sure, eh??? From Edmunds today;
".....Two of the other vehicles we drove were Opel Insignias with the suspension settings that the U.S.-market Buick Regal will use when the model goes on sale here next spring. One was equipped with a six-speed automatic and one carried a six-speed manual, both of which will make it to American showrooms. "
As far as the suspension;
".....We actually preferred the two Insignias that we drove later in the day that used U.S.-market Regal suspension tuning. The rear dampers are a little softer to improve ride comfort and the improvement is obvious and welcome. The recalibration is relatively minor, intended to make the U.S. car on its all-season Michelin tires feel essentially like the Euro-market model, which comes with summer tires. A more compelling adjustment is the addition of a more aggressive sound-deadening package which not only reduces some tire sizzle but also quells the road impacts. It's easy to forget how much of your perception of a vehicle's attributes are contributed by what your ears detect."
As far as the engine, you have a point for the base powerplant, but the turbo 4;
"..... What the motor lacks in charm it more than makes up for in torque, as some 258 pound-feet arrive at just 2,000 rpm. So the roughly 3,700-pound, 16-foot-long Regal squirts around town nicely. It also returns an admirable 18 mpg city/29 mpg highway. We're less convinced the base-model's normally aspirated 2.4-liter inline-4 will cut it with just 182 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque to call upon, but we'll see."
".....seeing a new black lacrosse in the parking lot. Noticed they were all 3 liter for $35,500 to 40,500 before the $599 scotchguard pkg. Isn't it cheaper to just get leather? "
I guess the secret's out on just what a fine car the Park Avenue was.
That's obviously not the case. Heck I remember back when they were being made, you get a two year old model with 20k miles for $15k. P/A have never had good resale. Maybe better than a CrownVic/GrandMarquis but bad either way.
How is 78k miles high for a 12 year old car? That's under 7k/yr. Oh, you mean that's high miles for a P/A? I know the two my grandpa had were literally junk by 100k, so yeah, maybe it's only got 20% of its life left;)
One thing that just dawned on me...a supercharged 3800 would need premium fuel, wouldn't it? I know that's not a big deal for you Lemko, as you put premium in everything...
".....Oh, you mean that's high miles for a P/A? I know the two my grandpa had were literally junk by 100k, so yeah, maybe it's only got 20% of its life left;) "
Gee, my '99 is running strong w/almost 130K on it. What gives???
>it caught on fire right after starting the engine. BOOM!. IIRC, it was a intake issue that caused the fire.
There was a supplier problem for FPR's for a period. They leaked gasoline into the vacuum ine which let vapors into the UIM. Slight ignition past intake vavle somehow on starting and a small explosion inside the UIM could crack it. Rarely the event was greater in magnitude. There was a recall for FPR replacement.
They run fine on regular if you are an undemanding driver. Otherwise the extra 10 cents for midgrade or 20 cents for premium pays back in better mileage and gives a peppier motor without the retard on the spark advance.
Gee, my '99 is running strong w/almost 130K on it. What gives???
I don't know, but my grandpa had a '97 and '00 Park Ave's that were both junk. Lot of electrical issues with both. Particularly the '00. When my dad inherited it in '04 with 70k on it, basically nothing worked right electrically. You'd drive down the road and wipers would turn on and off on their own, the hvac controls also had a mind of their own, the passenger side was stuck on hot and drivers side on cold. Had the intake issue at 80k, leaked oil, blew a head gasket by 90k. My dad got fed up with it as it was always having issues and gave to my sister. She nursed it for a few years with numerous issues until she finally traded it with 110k on a Honda and she got a whole $1k, not to mention the paint was peeling off. Can't get much worse than that IMO.
My grandpa owned nothing but Chevy's and Buicks his whole life and took good car of his cars. He had good luck with them until his last two.
Man, that looks exactly like the '97 my grandpa had, right down to the same drab gray interior.
I don't know if that's a good price or not, but what can you get anymore for $6k. Hell a golf cart cost that much these days.
I just looked up some '97 Accords. They were all $5-7k with 100-150k miles on them. So considering a '97 P/A was easily $10-15k more than an Accord, I'd say the resale isn't all that impressive.
How is 78k miles high for a 12 year old car? That's under 7k/yr. Oh, you mean that's high miles for a P/A? I know the two my grandpa had were literally junk by 100k, so yeah, maybe it's only got 20% of its life left;)
I think what Lemko meant was that it was high miles for that price. While it's only 7K per year, the car is still beyond the point that, IMO, it would command a price premium for having low mileage. If it was, say, a 1998 that was Grandma owned and only had 20-30K miles on it, then yeah, it's worth more. But a 12 year old car with 88,000 miles on it? I'm thinking $3500-4000, tops. Unless it's something that has ridiculously high resale value. Something that Buicks haven't been known for in awhile.
I don't know if that's a good price or not, but what can you get anymore for $6k. Hell a golf cart cost that much these days.
I guess I just use the '03 Regal my Dad bought as sort of a benchmark. It was $10,995, and this was in September of 03, so the '04's had just come out. 19,500 miles. LS model, so it was the cheaper one, but still, an awesome car at that price.
I guess I should look at that as more of an instance of we got lucky, rather than the norm?
I guess I just use the '03 Regal my Dad bought as sort of a benchmark. It was $10,995, and this was in September of 03, so the '04's had just come out. 19,500 miles. LS model, so it was the cheaper one, but still, an awesome car at that price.
Yeah, I'd say. That would be hard to pass up if your just needing a car.
Maybe the cash for clunkers program took care of some of the used car supply, because prices seem to be up.
Heck, around here they are still asking around $10k for an 07 Taurus with 50k, it is an SEL, but that's still to much IMO. While decently reliable, they are far from desirable.
3,700 lbs. is huge for a Regal. Squirts around is not what I'd call fast!
C&D -
The turbo engine is quiet and refined, with a very progressive power delivery. It’s not a startlingly fast car, but passing power is decent and it feels competitive with the likes of an Audi A4 2.0T and the four-cylinder TSX. The six-speed automatic transmission is superb, with quick, well-damped shifts. The manual is pretty good, too, if notchier than the slick-shifting Acura’s. The Regal goes around corners in a nicely predictable manner, but it’s not the most entertaining of back-road companions. Torque steer is negligible, even with the standard stability-control system turned off, and the base suspension offers a composed and supple ride.
No, it's high miles for a car they want $6,500 for and is 12 years old. I wouldn't pay that much for a Mercedes E-Class or Lexus LS with that kind of miles!
Very very odd! Was this car flooded or left with the windows open in a severe storm? Maybe your grandfather was very rough on his cars? I know my Grandmom could do a number on her cars. The cars were never washed, the interiors were filthy, and she was the queen of deferred maintenance.
My 1988 Park Avenue, (or any OTHER GM car) never gave me any electrical problems. If you want to see a car PLAGUED with electrical issues, check out my BIL's Mercedes S430. I swear it's haunted by a poltergeist. :surprise:
A car with over 100K on it is worthless to me. I don't care if it's a Hyundai Accent or a Rolls-Royce Phantom. Only a knucklehead would pay $5K-$7K for ANY car with over 100K miles. The most I'd give is a token $1,500 and that's just me being generous.
My grandpa always took care of his cars. Kept them clean and in the garage with regular maintenance. If something was making a sound, it would be getting checked out.
As for electrical issues, my Suburban had gremlins too. When you put it in reverse with the lights on, the rear wiper would make one swipe on occasion. Turn on the fog lights and the rear washer pump would turn on. Weird stuff.
My BIL has a late 80's corvette that he's babied for 15 years. It might have 40k on it and it too has lots of electrical issues. Not long after he had it, the dealer finally had to deactivate the coded key anti theft system deactivated because he never new when it would decide not to start, usually at a gas station. He loves that car, but you couldn't give it to me. I thought my Suburban was a rattle trap, I don't think any part of that car doesn't squeak or rattle.
I found another Park Ave online, a 2003 with 51K miles, but no price listed. I emailed them to request a quote. I'm not expecting much though, as this is the same dealership that gave me a bad vibe back in 1999, when I went to look at two Caprices they had...a '94 and '96. The '94 was crap. First experience I ever had with warped rotors, and I remember rolling the back window down and having it come off its track when I rolled it back up! The '96 was nice, but reeked of cigarette smoke, and they wouldn't budge on price. So I gave up. Well, they called me a week or so later, leaving a message and saying it was the end of the month and they were willing to deal. This was like Oct 30 or 31. Well, I didn't get back to them until a day or two later, and the guy was like well, now it's November, so we're not so willing. So I was like screw you, and the following weekend I ended up with the Trep.
I also found an '03 Park Ave with 65K miles for $10,900 asking. But it's in a bad neighborhood, so they're probably one of those buy-here-pay-here-weekly type things that preys on the locals who want to look rich on the cheap.
Also found an '09 G8 with the 3.6 V-6, for around $22-23k. Only has 8,000 miles on it. While I'd have to tolerate the V-6 and "only" 256 hp, it does have a sunroof!
".....3,700 lbs. is huge for a Regal. Squirts around is not what I'd call fast! "
Well, these are the 0-60 times in the article;
".....The automaker estimates that the 2.4 will sprint from 0 to 60 mph in the mid-eight-second bracket and we reckon that the turbo will run to 60 in the low sevens, comparable with the TSX."
I'm also getting some conflicting arguments here. All the articles mention the A4 and TSX. Aren't these compact cars in size?? I looked at the Insignia on the Ireland website, and got the impression that it was about 187 inches long, and about 3300 lbs.
C&D seem to indicate 3700 lbs and a medium sized car, which while a little pudgy, isn't that far off the mark. My '88 Regal weighed about 3600 lbs, and with the 2.8 putting out a whopping 120 or 130 hp, still managed sub 10 sec 0-60 times, so low 7's shouldn't be all that out of whack with 220 hp.
The way you guys talk, I believe either you or me is living in a parallel universe. Either that or I'm extremely lucky. I never experienced any electrical issues, or any other major ones, with my GM vehicles. Why am I so lucky? Does GM have a separate shop set up to build my cars? Do they have some kind of rule, "By God, don't upset that one guy in Philly?" Maybe I should quit my job and become a professional gambler?
If that Park Ave only had 20K-30K on it, I'd go for it. Heck, I might even drive down there from Philly and buy it for myself!
I don't know, sometimes little use is worse than lots of use. I think time can be just as bad or worse than miles.
I'm sure they'll negotiate some on that Buick. I have no idea what's worth. To me it's not work much of anything. I wouldn't want it anymore than you'd want a late 90's Accord. I've driven Park Ave's enough to know I can't stand how they drive, but that's my opinion.
Interesting. THAT would be enough to keep me from going back to GM. No way, no how.
But, even after an IPO, I thought the best anybody could do is 9.9% ownership. If it took a few years for the Gov't to divest itself from GM, could they and the UAW block any deal?
Well, if that dealer tried to screw you the first time, you look pretty foolish to return. I wouldn't bother looking at cars in the 'hood. There are plenty of those kinds of BHPH lots in marginal Lower NE neighborhoods selling out-of-warranty Bimmers, Benzes, and Lexi, and wouldn't trust any of them. They prey on those losers who always be frontin'!
The last one sounds best if it's a certified used car and has the balance of a generous warranty. Is the G8 at a Pontiac dealer? Usually new car dealers hold onto the cream of the used crop and send the rest of the trade-in inventory to auction. How does that 3.6 V-6 compare to the 2.7 V-6 in the 'Trep? Is that G8 a nice color or is it something gruesome like on that '74 DeVille at Macungie? Cloth or leather?
Can't believe they won't budge, they probably haven't had it long, or know they'll find a sucker to pay what they are asking.
Also found an '09 G8 with the 3.6 V-6, for around $22-23k. Only has 8,000 miles on it. While I'd have to tolerate the V-6 and "only" 256 hp, it does have a sunroof!
While I'm sure the 3.6 G8 is more than adequate, the fact that you could get outran by a v6 Altima, Camry or Accord wouldn't sit well with me. I'd have to have the v8.
Oddly enough, I prefer the Olds 403 as I had a 1979 Park Avenue sedan with it. What I drop-dead gorgeous car it was, and I had to wreck it like a fool!
How does that 3.6 V-6 compare to the 2.7 V-6 in the 'Trep? Is that G8 a nice color or is it something gruesome like on that '74 DeVille at Macungie? Cloth or leather?
This G8 is black, so it'll look pretty, even if it'll be a pain to keep clean. As for performance, I've seen the 3.6 G8 listed at 7.6 seconds 0-60, versus 9.5 for my Intrepid. As for fuel economy, it's rated at 17/25 under the new ratings. My Intrepid is 18/27 under the new ratings, 20/29 under the old. So my guess is I'd see a bit worse economy, but nothing that's going to bankrupt me. Also, it just has cloth seats.
I also found a 1991 Caprice for sale about 2 miles away. The dealer doesn't have any pics posted, but it's black, power windows/locks/seat, 74K miles, asking $3995. If I could get 'em down to $2500 and it looks good and is inspected, I'd be tempted.
Shoot, to me that would be worse than being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, having "2012" becoming a reality, being audited by the IRS, and served with divorce papers, having my house burn down, and my car repo'd all in the same day!
I also found a 1991 Caprice for sale about 2 miles away. The dealer doesn't have any pics posted, but it's black, power windows/locks/seat, 74K miles, asking $3995. If I could get 'em down to $2500 and it looks good and is inspected, I'd be tempted.
Is the 91 the redesigned year or the older squared off model? I can't remember. 305 or 4.3?
Sounds nice, but black is an extreme PITA to keep clean, especially if you're like me. However, it does look FANTASTIC when it's all detailed! :shades:
Shoot, to me that would be worse than being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, having "2012" becoming a reality, being audited by the IRS, and served with divorce papers, having my house burn down, and my car repo'd all in the same day!
1991 is the restyled model. I had an oddball black 1987 Caprice Classic with the 4.3 V-6 as my first new car. I traded it for my 1989 Cadillac Brougham.
Yeah, it's that fat "rolling suppository" model with the skirted rear wheels. 305 V-8. TBI with 170 hp. Not the screamer that the later LT-1 350 was, but still not too bad.
1991 is the restyled model. I had an oddball black 1987 Caprice Classic with the 4.3 V-6 as my first new car. I traded it for my 1989 Cadillac Brougham.
Okay, didn't they drop the 4.3 option with the redesign? My grandpa had an 87 Caprice Classic brougham LS. It was a nice car for the day. I actually liked it. It was white and grandpa even lemo tinted the windows to deal with the Florida sun. It was a sharp car. He was pimpin. LOL
The only problem he had with it really was odd. He kept noticing that he was passing people more than usual when driving at his normal driving speed (slower than others). Turns something in the trans or speedo was set to the wrong gear ratio and causing the speedometer to read slower than you were going.
Yeah, they dropped the 4.3 V-6 when the 1991 came out, making the 5.0 standard. However, in 1992 or 1993, they made the 350 optional in the LTZ trim level. But then, to add to the confusion, when the 1994 model came out, they offered a 200 hp 4.3 V-8, and a 260 hp 5.7 V-8.
dieselone...that's where rockford fosgate has been hidin' out, he's been real busy preparing himself for that U.S. Presidency or Governership of Michigan gig he wants so bad.
The state of Michigan would be in an uproar with Rocky leading the charge.
With a surefire GM and UAW connection just to spite us all. GM or die. Right, rocky-bro.
Funny, my Grandpop had a 1989 Chevrolet Caprice Classic Brougham LS , (I LOVE those long drawn-out names!) It was the last car he bought and was a beautiful two-tone maroon with plush maroon seats and just about every available option! Sadly, Grandpop passed away last September and my Grandmom sold the car to some local before I could make her an offer.
that's where rockford fosgate has been hidin' out, he's been real busy preparing himself for that U.S. Presidency or Governership of Michigan gig he wants so bad.
LOL, I miss sparring with him. The boards are definitely not the same w/o him. Hope he's doing well.
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It's not. A comparably equipped Lacrosse is $4500 cheaper.
You're Soooo sure, eh??? From Edmunds today;
".....Two of the other vehicles we drove were Opel Insignias with the suspension settings that the U.S.-market Buick Regal will use when the model goes on sale here next spring. One was equipped with a six-speed automatic and one carried a six-speed manual, both of which will make it to American showrooms. "
As far as the suspension;
".....We actually preferred the two Insignias that we drove later in the day that used U.S.-market Regal suspension tuning. The rear dampers are a little softer to improve ride comfort and the improvement is obvious and welcome. The recalibration is relatively minor, intended to make the U.S. car on its all-season Michelin tires feel essentially like the Euro-market model, which comes with summer tires. A more compelling adjustment is the addition of a more aggressive sound-deadening package which not only reduces some tire sizzle but also quells the road impacts. It's easy to forget how much of your perception of a vehicle's attributes are contributed by what your ears detect."
As far as the engine, you have a point for the base powerplant, but the turbo 4;
"..... What the motor lacks in charm it more than makes up for in torque, as some 258 pound-feet arrive at just 2,000 rpm. So the roughly 3,700-pound, 16-foot-long Regal squirts around town nicely. It also returns an admirable 18 mpg city/29 mpg highway. We're less convinced the base-model's normally aspirated 2.4-liter inline-4 will cut it with just 182 hp and 172 lb-ft of torque to call upon, but we'll see."
http://www.insideline.com/buick/regal/2011/2011-buick-regal-first-drive.html
At that price ($40k), they must have been AWD.
http://www.edmunds.com/inventory/srp.html?radius=50&zip=02809&action=inventory&m- ake=Buick&model=LaCrosse&year=2010&bodytype=&extcolor=&intcolor=&enginetype=&tra- nsmission=&drivetrain=all+wheel+drive&fueltype=&pricefrom=No+Min&priceto=No+Max
My CXS (the 3.6) was $38,777 list. The CXL I test drove was $32 or $33K (w/o nav.)
That's obviously not the case. Heck I remember back when they were being made, you get a two year old model with 20k miles for $15k. P/A have never had good resale. Maybe better than a CrownVic/GrandMarquis but bad either way.
How is 78k miles high for a 12 year old car? That's under 7k/yr. Oh, you mean that's high miles for a P/A? I know the two my grandpa had were literally junk by 100k, so yeah, maybe it's only got 20% of its life left;)
Gee, my '99 is running strong w/almost 130K on it. What gives???
Yep, that it would. You could probably get away w/ mid grade.
There was a supplier problem for FPR's for a period. They leaked gasoline into the vacuum ine which let vapors into the UIM. Slight ignition past intake vavle somehow on starting and a small explosion inside the UIM could crack it. Rarely the event was greater in magnitude. There was a recall for FPR replacement.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
They run fine on regular if you are an undemanding driver. Otherwise the extra 10 cents for midgrade or 20 cents for premium pays back in better mileage and gives a peppier motor without the retard on the spark advance.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I don't know, but my grandpa had a '97 and '00 Park Ave's that were both junk. Lot of electrical issues with both. Particularly the '00. When my dad inherited it in '04 with 70k on it, basically nothing worked right electrically. You'd drive down the road and wipers would turn on and off on their own, the hvac controls also had a mind of their own, the passenger side was stuck on hot and drivers side on cold. Had the intake issue at 80k, leaked oil, blew a head gasket by 90k. My dad got fed up with it as it was always having issues and gave to my sister. She nursed it for a few years with numerous issues until she finally traded it with 110k on a Honda and she got a whole $1k, not to mention the paint was peeling off. Can't get much worse than that IMO.
My grandpa owned nothing but Chevy's and Buicks his whole life and took good car of his cars. He had good luck with them until his last two.
I don't know if that's a good price or not, but what can you get anymore for $6k. Hell a golf cart cost that much these days.
I just looked up some '97 Accords. They were all $5-7k with 100-150k miles on them. So considering a '97 P/A was easily $10-15k more than an Accord, I'd say the resale isn't all that impressive.
I think what Lemko meant was that it was high miles for that price. While it's only 7K per year, the car is still beyond the point that, IMO, it would command a price premium for having low mileage. If it was, say, a 1998 that was Grandma owned and only had 20-30K miles on it, then yeah, it's worth more. But a 12 year old car with 88,000 miles on it? I'm thinking $3500-4000, tops. Unless it's something that has ridiculously high resale value. Something that Buicks haven't been known for in awhile.
I guess I just use the '03 Regal my Dad bought as sort of a benchmark. It was $10,995, and this was in September of 03, so the '04's had just come out. 19,500 miles. LS model, so it was the cheaper one, but still, an awesome car at that price.
I guess I should look at that as more of an instance of we got lucky, rather than the norm?
Yeah, I'd say. That would be hard to pass up if your just needing a car.
Maybe the cash for clunkers program took care of some of the used car supply, because prices seem to be up.
Heck, around here they are still asking around $10k for an 07 Taurus with 50k, it is an SEL, but that's still to much IMO. While decently reliable, they are far from desirable.
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The turbo engine is quiet and refined, with a very progressive power delivery. It’s not a startlingly fast car, but passing power is decent and it feels competitive with the likes of an Audi A4 2.0T and the four-cylinder TSX. The six-speed automatic transmission is superb, with quick, well-damped shifts. The manual is pretty good, too, if notchier than the slick-shifting Acura’s. The Regal goes around corners in a nicely predictable manner, but it’s not the most entertaining of back-road companions. Torque steer is negligible, even with the standard stability-control system turned off, and the base suspension offers a composed and supple ride.
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It's a far cry from Buicks of the past, I'll agree. Let's see if it "Wins" vs. the competition.
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Sayonara Detroit?
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Man that would be great. Let GM bleed china dry instead of the US tax payer.
On a more serious note, I'd think political issues would keep that from happening, but who knows. I tend to think it won't happen.
The state of Michigan would be in an uproar with Rocky leading the charge.
Maybe your grandfather was very rough on his cars? I know my Grandmom could do a number on her cars. The cars were never washed, the interiors were filthy, and she was the queen of deferred maintenance.
My 1988 Park Avenue, (or any OTHER GM car) never gave me any electrical problems. If you want to see a car PLAGUED with electrical issues, check out my BIL's Mercedes S430. I swear it's haunted by a poltergeist. :surprise:
As for electrical issues, my Suburban had gremlins too. When you put it in reverse with the lights on, the rear wiper would make one swipe on occasion. Turn on the fog lights and the rear washer pump would turn on. Weird stuff.
My BIL has a late 80's corvette that he's babied for 15 years. It might have 40k on it and it too has lots of electrical issues. Not long after he had it, the dealer finally had to deactivate the coded key anti theft system deactivated because he never new when it would decide not to start, usually at a gas station. He loves that car, but you couldn't give it to me. I thought my Suburban was a rattle trap, I don't think any part of that car doesn't squeak or rattle.
I also found an '03 Park Ave with 65K miles for $10,900 asking. But it's in a bad neighborhood, so they're probably one of those buy-here-pay-here-weekly type things that preys on the locals who want to look rich on the cheap.
Also found an '09 G8 with the 3.6 V-6, for around $22-23k. Only has 8,000 miles on it. While I'd have to tolerate the V-6 and "only" 256 hp, it does have a sunroof!
Well, these are the 0-60 times in the article;
".....The automaker estimates that the 2.4 will sprint from 0 to 60 mph in the mid-eight-second bracket and we reckon that the turbo will run to 60 in the low sevens, comparable with the TSX."
I'm also getting some conflicting arguments here. All the articles mention the A4 and TSX. Aren't these compact cars in size?? I looked at the Insignia on the Ireland website, and got the impression that it was about 187 inches long, and about 3300 lbs.
C&D seem to indicate 3700 lbs and a medium sized car, which while a little pudgy, isn't that far off the mark. My '88 Regal weighed about 3600 lbs, and with the 2.8 putting out a whopping 120 or 130 hp, still managed sub 10 sec 0-60 times, so low 7's shouldn't be all that out of whack with 220 hp.
I don't know, sometimes little use is worse than lots of use. I think time can be just as bad or worse than miles.
I'm sure they'll negotiate some on that Buick. I have no idea what's worth. To me it's not work much of anything. I wouldn't want it anymore than you'd want a late 90's Accord. I've driven Park Ave's enough to know I can't stand how they drive, but that's my opinion.
Interesting. THAT would be enough to keep me from going back to GM. No way, no how.
But, even after an IPO, I thought the best anybody could do is 9.9% ownership. If it took a few years for the Gov't to divest itself from GM, could they and the UAW block any deal?
The last one sounds best if it's a certified used car and has the balance of a generous warranty. Is the G8 at a Pontiac dealer? Usually new car dealers hold onto the cream of the used crop and send the rest of the trade-in inventory to auction. How does that 3.6 V-6 compare to the 2.7 V-6 in the 'Trep? Is that G8 a nice color or is it something gruesome like on that '74 DeVille at Macungie? Cloth or leather?
I know I shouldn't entertain this thought, as I really should look for something newer...but tell Andre all about it! :shades:
Also found an '09 G8 with the 3.6 V-6, for around $22-23k. Only has 8,000 miles on it. While I'd have to tolerate the V-6 and "only" 256 hp, it does have a sunroof!
While I'm sure the 3.6 G8 is more than adequate, the fact that you could get outran by a v6 Altima, Camry or Accord wouldn't sit well with me. I'd have to have the v8.
This G8 is black, so it'll look pretty, even if it'll be a pain to keep clean. As for performance, I've seen the 3.6 G8 listed at 7.6 seconds 0-60, versus 9.5 for my Intrepid. As for fuel economy, it's rated at 17/25 under the new ratings. My Intrepid is 18/27 under the new ratings, 20/29 under the old. So my guess is I'd see a bit worse economy, but nothing that's going to bankrupt me. Also, it just has cloth seats.
I also found a 1991 Caprice for sale about 2 miles away. The dealer doesn't have any pics posted, but it's black, power windows/locks/seat, 74K miles, asking $3995. If I could get 'em down to $2500 and it looks good and is inspected, I'd be tempted.
Is the 91 the redesigned year or the older squared off model? I can't remember. 305 or 4.3?
Wow, you need help! LOL
Okay, didn't they drop the 4.3 option with the redesign? My grandpa had an 87 Caprice Classic brougham LS. It was a nice car for the day. I actually liked it. It was white and grandpa even lemo tinted the windows to deal with the Florida sun. It was a sharp car. He was pimpin. LOL
The only problem he had with it really was odd. He kept noticing that he was passing people more than usual when driving at his normal driving speed (slower than others). Turns something in the trans or speedo was set to the wrong gear ratio and causing the speedometer to read slower than you were going.
The state of Michigan would be in an uproar with Rocky leading the charge.
With a surefire GM and UAW connection just to spite us all. GM or die. Right, rocky-bro.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
LOL, I miss sparring with him. The boards are definitely not the same w/o him. Hope he's doing well.