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No, I certainly wouldn't chose a car over another over 1mpg or so.
The power output of the current Regal wouldn't turn me off if I were to like how it feels from behind the wheel. Though reading about the lack of refinement would. I've sampled VW's 2.0 TSI and it is a gem and feels much stronger than it's output would suggest. I love how smooth it is.
The only thing that turned me off from the C&D article was their comments regarding GM's 2.0 turbo and the trans performance. I've driven a few 6speed GM vehicles and I"ve yet to like how any of them perform (to slow to downshift and GM still tends to use gearing that is taller than I prefer). That's not to say they are bad, but they don't suit me.
After all, a simple Sonata 2.0T beats it in value and almost every other category except....being German Bred!
Well, let's hope it evolves into a better car down the road. Interested to see the Caddy 3-series fighter.
Regards,
OW
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Keep laughing at Hyundai. Makes my day!
The 2.0T Sonata, as its name suggests, is powered by a turbocharged 2.0-liter engine. Hyundai avoided the GDI moniker that could have legitimately been attached, as this inline-4 also features direct injection of its gasoline. Now I admit there’s nothing particular novel about having a turbo-enhanced direct-injected engine of small displacement do the job of a traditional—and more fuel-consumptive—V-6. But Hyundai engineers have been busy in perfecting this concept in several distinctly innovative ways.
For one, the turbo’s compressor housing is actually part of the engine’s exhaust manifold. What’s more, the casting that integrates these two elements is of austenite stainless steel. It’s quite a technical achievement to use this material, but it’s ideal for this application because of its thermal properties of getting exhaust heat efficiently to the turbo’s compressor. And, of course, having the two components integrated into one only enhances this.
Factoid: It’s both the kinetic energy of exhaust flow as well as the thermal energy of its expanding gases that drive the turbo’s compressor and its attached forced-induction-producing impeller. Hyundai’s integrated design enhances both aspects.
The Sonata’s turbo is a twin-scroll type as well. That is, its porting and vanes are designed to exploit two separate paths of exhaust flow, from cylinders 1 and 4 and from cylinders 2 and 3. This way, pulses during inherent four-stroke operation don’t trip over each other. This twin-scroll idea isn’t unique to Hyundai (the 2.0-liter Buick Regal uses it as well). But the Sonata’s 274 bhp versus the Regal’s 220 suggests the other wizardry involved.
Hyundai engineers figure that optimized forced induction plus direct injection are worth around a 22-percent kick in torque, from 220 to 269 lb.-ft. over a broad rpm range, with the twin scrolls accounting for perhaps half this. There’s lots of synergy involved here as well: Direct injection provides a cooler charge of fuel; optimized intercooling does its magic as well with the forced induction of air. They combine to produce the 2.0T’s 137 bhp/liter, a figure that’s quite amazing in a car in the $24K-$29K range. More details on this and my driving impressions once the embargo has lifted.
The shame continues 'cause you can get far higher value as well as tech NOT shopping GM. Wouldn't you really rather drive a SONATA?
Regards,
OW
Iluv, I really have enjoyed your posts over the months and years, but damn! - you manage to end up faithful really obscure makes! - Mitsu, Suzuki, now Alpha. I guess you like orphaned vehicles?! :surprise: :P
NEVER!!!!!
And this car here, the Alfa Romeo Giulietta for 2010, Dodge is importing to the U.S. to meet Federal mileage requirements. It will replace the unpopular and very aging Caliber round about Nov.'11. Coincides nicely with Toyota's release of their FT-86 as a Scion FR-S what will end up being within weeks or even days of each other! Whoo-hoo...fun for iluv! And I mean fun!!!! The decision has already been made by Sergio Marchionne, the Fiat CEO. So, I feel obligated to take one out for a test spin. Yeah, never, ever thought I'd be interested in buying a new Dodge. Maybe this merge with Fiat was a smart move for Chrysler. I mean, we were really critical of that move back in 2008 if you remember, now it's looking like a breakaway Gary Payton layup for a Sonic's victory in the glorious 1990's to iluv.
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2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Reference: TTAC
http://silverstone-motorcars.ebizautos.com/detail-1973-cadillac-eldorado_biarrit- z-tourneau_top_roadster-used-5438049.html
Only a handful were made apparently so it's a collector piece.
:shades:
Lemko's gonna call himself "The predicament"?
:P
(Totally kidding btw, I have no idea what the MTV reference was to...)
Now the Chinese will show the corporate idiots that Killed GM how to reinvent the brand...make CARS people are excited to buy.
Time to Lay all the Deadhead Dealers to Rest as well. No use having the supply chain disease continue as in the past.
Regards,
OW
"General Motors reported it earned net income of $2.0 billion in the third quarter, its third consecutive profitable quarter and setting the automaker up for its first profitable year since 2004.
The results, in line with GM's guidance issued earlier this month, comes as GM executives are traveling the globe trying to drum up investor interest in its initial public offering. GM's new stock begins trading Nov. 18."
The WSJ says that "The profitability has enabled GM to return $9.5 billion of the $49.5 billion bailout from the U.S. government and begin to pay into its underfunded pension plan."
This guy's hubris never seizes to amaze me. This is the same tool that said in a Business Week article in 2008 that "GM has been #1 in the world for the past 75 years and I see no reason why we won't be #1 for the next 75" while market share had been dropping like a rock for 30 years.
Good riddance Bob, I hope your enjoying retirement.
Lutz still has that sense of entitlement that has always characterized GM.
The best move Bill Ford ever did was recognize that he was in over his head and firing himself from the CEO spot.
where is the Cruze mode with fog lights?
moving vs still?
big difference in tire profile
how bout apples to apples once on here?
Is that what the union health care was doing to GM?
I don't think that it's coincidental, even if the refi was "luck". All thast did was allow Ford to weather the storm. Even if Ford had to go through what the other 2 did, I think that the product would be as high caliber as it is now. Refi is just another feather in Mullaly's cap. He deserves that CEO of the yr.
Not just because I grew up a Ford guy, but because I absolutely despise the unfair advantage that was given to Gov't Motors with the sum of 50 billion in loans, the credit pricing advantage from GMAC being under Government ownership and now the 45 billion dollar tax free ride that followed.
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The special treatment given to these clowns is unbelievable. :lemon:
I wish Ford many decades of good fortune... :shades:
How Ford got back on the fast track to success
Meanwhile it looks like Chevy is returning to Indy.
Chevy-to-IndyCar Rumors Hot; Announcement Friday? (Inside Line)
Some say that the UAW is keeping wages down pretty good by themselves.
“The union is busting the union. It’s just a matter of time before workers say they have to find something else. A lot of people don’t have any faith in the UAW. They get paid to protect workers but the workers have to fight for everything on our own, even simple grievances. All they say is ‘I’ll get back to you.’
“When my father and uncle worked in the plant the union was strong. Now it’s a joke. They say they have their hands tied, but they are partners with GM and they are not going to fight the company that is feeding them. With workers having their wages cut to $14, dues income will go down. The UAW is making more money from stock than union dues."
World Socialist Web Site
UAW Local 599 puts hall up for sale as General Motors leaves Powertrain Flint North (mlive.com)
In other news, Nader tells the US to hold on to the GM stock and make them go electric.
Ralph Nader To GM: Whoa on IPO (Inside Line)
Your "handle" speaks volumes about your objectivity.
The undisputed fact is, Toyota is the undisputed recall leader this year. And no amount of whining about GM will change that.
I wonder if that person still works there :confuse:
I also liked how he changed their India strategy too - going from just ploping an "almost what they want, kinda fits" vehicle and using the crazy idea of actually designing & making a vehicle right for the country that people actually want and selling at an affordable price that the people actually wanted. Crazy right? But the #1 thing is Ford has a habit of getting comfortable with initial success and riding that train to ruin. Break that & they can have success.
I just don't see that core-thinking at GM yet of building top product that people want / demand for the market. There's definitely a slight shift, but they're not there yet. And Loud-mouth Lutz is not doing them any favors.
I think if I were GM and needed to raise the msot money possible, that I create some rumors as part of my IPO-promotion-campaign. Follow the $ folks, to find the truth. If someone has a lot to gain or lose, suspect that they may try to influence the outcome with some loose truths.
I'm not going to mess with it. I'm sticking with Ford stock for now. If I decide to invest any more $ in the auto industry it will be with some of the suppliers. Plus I have a feeling it will be hard for the average retail investor to get in on the IPO. Plus the government is going to have to offer more shares in the future to get paid back, so it's not something I plan to mess with.
I don't want to subsidize electric car charging stations.
Who cares about the GM IPO vs what the gov loses. We started entertaining the GM BK when the US national debt was $11 Trillion. Now we talk about delaying the GM IPO until the stock could bring twice the value. That wait will take us from $14 trillion in debt to 1$16 trillion in debt. Losing 5-6 billion on a less than totally fulfilling IPO while the national debt climbed $5 Trillion.
That is one tenth of one percent of an UNSOLVABLE debt problem. Ratioed into a percent of a year, lets spend one day every 3 years on that. But arent there thousands of new fed gov green jobs beaurocrats that we are paying $150,000 a year each to think up ideas like this: make GM go heavy into electric.
I don't want to subsidize GM.
On a serious note, the IPO is important for GM because they are losing sales because many people do care and are avoiding GM because they are primarily government owned. They need to get that monkey of their back.
They'd have to come up with a pretty miraculous car - better than anything in the current stable - to get me to even look.
They'd have to come up with a pretty miraculous car - better than anything in the current stable - to get me to even look.
That's pretty much how I see it. GM would have to blow me away with something for me to buy one of their products again. They are essentially dead to me, but I felt that way before the bankruptcy.