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  • midtownmidtown Member Posts: 2
    Can someone please tell me how long my new BMW is going to spend at sea!!??? It has been en route for the last two weeks and I am lacking patience. Thanks for anyone who can advise on the length of this trip.

    Jason
  • hgeyerhgeyer Member Posts: 188
    To read, from today's WSJ:

    www.geyer.org/BMW_BUICK.pdf
  • crashtestdingocrashtestdingo Member Posts: 81
    Hello, everyone. What factory-installed anti-theft devices or systems are available (either standard or optional) on the 3-series? What about ones that are dealer-installed (not including third-party aftermarket products)?
  • motorcity3motorcity3 Member Posts: 72
    I believe that reports deals with cars a year (or less) old. Not that BMW should be loosing in this department, but I think that when we are talking reliability we are talking time. Would you buy a new car every year?
  • hgeyerhgeyer Member Posts: 188
    I found the article relevant since over the past 2-3 years, BMW has introduced a re-vamped (Banglized) 7 and 5 series, and is soon to introduce a re-vamped 3-series, as well as the 1 and 6 series.

    In essence, I believe that substantially all of it's product line is very new and subject to the metrics outlined in the article.

    I will admit, my 2002 330i has never been to the shop for anything but maintenance; it's a fine machine.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    "I will admit, my 2002 330i has never been to the shop for anything but maintenance; it's a fine machine"

    Here, here. Zero, zip, nada, nothing, nyet...
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Two BMWs (a first year included) and five years and only maintenance visits as well. Well, ummm, errr, there were the two burned out taillights on the 328i that I did myself for a grand total of about $1.00.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • vkwheelsvkwheels Member Posts: 218
  • erickplerickpl Member Posts: 2,735
    unless the boat sinks again. :) JUST KIDDING!

    -Paul
  • tenet1tenet1 Member Posts: 354
    Solid as a rock after 2.5 years. I got the sticky pedal fixed and thats about it.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    Well, it used to be that my parking brake required that I pull it totally to the highest point before it would grab. Eventually that stopped working.

    I had BMW "fix" this issue and for about a week my parking brake would grab after pulling it up a good 2 to 3 inches.

    Now the brake won't go up more than an inch or two and it simply doesn't catch at all.

    Argh...
  • asleepyasleepy Member Posts: 70
    Failed coolant temp. sensor at 1K (had to be towed in), grinding noise from a front wheel which caused the DSC warning light to come on at 2k, black plastic bumper strip started to detach at 3K, and failed Xenon lamp at 5K. All were repaired under warranty. Currently at 9K without any problems (knock on wood).
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,778
    Bought in December, used, with 7700 miles.. Picked it up on a Saturday.. My wife drives it to work for the first time on Monday, and it breaks down while she is out getting lunch. Camshaft position sensor... Fixed under warranty, gave us a loaner, etc.. Has over 11K miles now, with no further problems.

    Somehow, my wife failed to see the humor in her "new" BMW breaking down on the first day. I personally thought it was hilarious.. "I told you it wouldn't be like owning a Honda".

    regards,
    kyfdx

    P.S.: I love the car.... I wish I got to drive it every day.

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  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    "Somehow, my wife failed to see the humor in her "new" BMW breaking down on the first day. I personally thought it was hilarious.. "I told you it wouldn't be like owning a Honda"."

    At least the car didn't suffer a catastrophic failure on the road, off the dealers lot, causing a car crash. (Hint: It was a Japanese top rated car from the biggest Japan, Inc. automaker)
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    You really have to wonder when Buick ends up having better quality than BMW. And an 8-year-old Lexus has fewer problems than a brand new 7-series!! FWIW, the 3-series is one of the few European models that CR still recommends. It is also the only BMW. My '01 325i has been reasonably reliable over 60K miles considering all the hard driving it's been subjected to during 9 track days, 15 or so autoX events and everyday hard driving. I respect Japanese cars for their reliability but I doubt any of them will be more reliable than my 3-series when repeatedly subjected to this type of hard driving.
  • jasondjasond Member Posts: 28
    My 2003 BMW 330 xi has had two separate recalls. One was for recoding the climate control module to prevent a drain on the battery. The other was for replacing the transmission owing to transmission slip. My previous Japanese vehicle never needed anything except routine maintenance. I enjoy the BMW, but doubt that I would repeat the purchase next time around.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Hmmm, two kinks in an otherwise enjoyable car. What if you find that you drive another 70K miles without so much as a burned out bulb? Would you still be willing to go to the competition over a couple of unscheduled service calls? I wouldn't.

    Prior to my first BMW, I drove a VW Passat GLX. That car had an easy half a dozen trips to the dealership during its warranty period. Once the warranty was out, it only had one other unusual issue, however, by then the car had over 80K miles on it. Not too bad to my way of reckoning, especially when I considered the car to be nearly perfect in every other way for my needs.

    I guess another way of asking the question is this:

    If the next time you are car shopping and you decide that the then available 3-Series fits your requirements better than every other car on the market, except that is, for the potential of a couple of extra trips to the dealership, would you really buy the car from the competitor?

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • crashtestdingocrashtestdingo Member Posts: 81
    I just got that magazine (the Consumer Reports annual auto issue) in the mail today. The predicted reliability for each 2004 model was based on the reliability of the same model for model years 2001, 2002 and 2003. There were a few exceptions for models that were all-new during that period. For example, the Nissan Quest minivan, which is all-new for 2004, was predicted to be reliable enough that CR could recommend it.

    brave1heart wrote:
    >You really have to wonder when Buick ends up having better quality than BMW. And an
    >8-year-old Lexus has fewer problems than a brand new 7-series!!

    Yeah... you have to wonder what's happened in Munich.

    Don't forget that reliability is only half of the equation. The other is the satisfaction the car provides when it's trouble-free. In that arena, BMW has it all over Buick. (However, an eight-year-old Lexus LS400 is probably more satisfying than a one-year-old 745i with iDrive!)

    >FWIW, the 3-series is one of the few European models that CR still recommends.

    Actually, they wrote that reliability of the 3-series improved enough for them to finally be able to recommend it. But as for the larger point of that sentence, I don't have the magazine with me right now in order to list all of the European cars they recommend. I do remember that, as you wrote, the 3-series is the only Bimmer they recommend, and that the only VW they recommend is the Passat with the V6, and that they don't recommend any Benzes. (I also remember this curious finding: the Audi A4 with the 1.8L turbo engine is more reliable than any VW with that engine.)
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    "(However, an eight-year-old Lexus LS400 is probably more satisfying than a one-year-old 745i with iDrive!)"

    Not in my way of thinking. I put my money where my mouth is, and I new 745 would be next in my garage.
  • crashtestdingocrashtestdingo Member Posts: 81
    >I put my money where my mouth is, and I new 745 would be next in my garage.

    With all due respect, if you don't have a 745i in your garage now, you haven't put your money where your mouth is yet.
  • jasondjasond Member Posts: 28
    Thanks for your comments. If indeed these two unscheduled service calls are the only ones for the remainder of my ownership of the vehicle, I would still consider buying another BMW when replacement time comes around. I'm afraid, however, that there may be more in the future and I'll have to defer judgment on this issue. Certainly, unscheduled service calls are an inconvenience no matter how nice the dealership is. There is also the issue of the magnitude of the problem. I think anyone will be disappointed about having to replace the transmission on a new vehicle. This is not the same as having to replace a burned out light bulb.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    I had to replace the 5-Speed transmission on my 1982 Audi GT Coupe after only 2,200 miles due to a bad 2nd gear syncro. After that, the transmission was flawless. BMW, in its quest to ever improve the 3-Series has been tweaking and fiddling with it since I got my early production E46 back in January 1999. Most of the changes work as planned, unfortunately some of them don't. Overall, the E46 has proven to be a very reliable car. Mine had two faults in over three years and 45,000 miles, burned out taillights. I trust that yours will be equally reliable. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • soverypoornowsoverypoornow Member Posts: 74
    Realizing all of the experiences we relate here are merely anecdotal, here's my two cents...

    2002 330i. 24,000 miles. Been to the dealer exactly twice. Once for a broken CD changer, fixed under warranty. Once for scheduled maintenance where they also fixed the 2nd to 1st clunk in the transmission software and an exterior rubber molding issue. Other than that...flawless. And there is no way to describe the smile it puts on my face each and every morning.
  • muzzy325imuzzy325i Member Posts: 19
    My 01 325i 5sp has just a hair under 70k miles on it. I have had nothing done to it but scheduled maintenance, tires and the unfortunate incident when a curb jumped out at me and bent my wheel back. The 70k is mix of Chicago Stop and go on the Dan Ryan/Kennedy/I90 Toll Road (you Chi-town folks know what I mean)trips to central IL at 90 MPH for 3 hours, around town honey-do trips and the occasional 'see what this car can do' sunday drives. I expect nothing less from my 04 330i, which was just changed Scheduled for Production this morning, although I ordered the SMG so I have some concerns about that.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Member Posts: 5,751
    "With all due respect, if you don't have a 745i in your garage now, you haven't put your money where your mouth is yet."

    The point is I'm not going to say I like the 745 over the LS430, only if you visit my house you'll find an LS430 in the garage. Similiarly I'm not going to say I like the 330 over the G35, and if you come over to my house you'll find a G35 in the garage.
  • memphis10memphis10 Member Posts: 161
    Upto what mileage can you buy extended warranty from BMW. Is it offered by BMW NA or by the dealer. What is the price and is it the same from dealer to dealer. Is there any room for negotiation. THX
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,778
    There is no extended warranty from BMW. It would have to be aftermarket, and I'm sure prices, terms vary..

    There is an extended maintenance contract available from BMW. Covers everything the current "free" maintenance does. MSRP on that is $995 to go from 4/50 to 6/100. You can buy that from any BMW dealer at any time before your current agreement expires.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • memphis10memphis10 Member Posts: 161
    Any recommendations on which is a good company to buy extended warranty from?
  • riezriez Member Posts: 2,361
    memphis10... I'm not a fan of 3rd party extended service contracts. Too many companies have gone bancrupt and too many people have been burned. And too many have had a ton of hassles with their companies. BUT like all things there are exceptions.

    At the most basic level, these are only as good as the company issuing them and the reinsurance company covering the insurance company. If the company isn't strong or can't control their claims, you're sunk.

    And the policies have to be read very carefully. How to you file claims? Get reimbursed? Who can you see? What kind of parts can you use? What if you have a dispute with the company? What are the deductibles? What components ARE and are NOT covered?
  • roberth4roberth4 Member Posts: 4
    I am looking to purchase either the 330i or 330xi. When I went to test drive the vehicles, the dealer only had the 325xi and the 330i. So I really did not get the chance to try both of the 330s. Can anybody help. Is there a big difference in handling between the 330s? I live in the NYC metro area. We have some bad weather occasionally but not too severe all winter long. Is the 330xi really a good buy? Appreciate any comments.
  • keith3keith3 Member Posts: 17
    Last week I sold privately the 1.9L Z3 I had owned since buying new in 1997. I am in the process of buying a new 325CI and trying to choose between one the dealer has in stock with manual trans, Premium Package, Xenon lights and Cold Weather pack or ordering one with just the Sport Package.

    I am leaning toward ordering a car with just the Sport Package but there are none available locally to try. I see in the archives that most of the experiences with the sport package have been positive. I'm worried about 45 series tires (ride and tread wear)and would appreciate any comments you have about the ride and, also, how well you like the seats.

    BTW, I thought the ride and tread wear were fine with the 50 series tires on the Z3 and, having lived with the Z3 through seven Illinois winters, I understand the winter tire issues.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    I have an '01 325i SP and love the seats. They are very supportive yet comfortable on long trips. I strongly recommend the manual seats - in addition to saving on weight, they offer better adjustment than the electric sports seats and will likely last longer, as BMWs have had problems with the power seats in the past. The ride with the 45-aspect ratio tires is a little busier than the non-SP's but still fairly supple. The handling advantages far outweigh the reduced tread wear IMO (expect 20-25K miles out of the summer tires).
  • jasondjasond Member Posts: 28
    Robert: I have a 2003 330xi. I did not compare it with the other BMWs before my purchase. Nor have I experienced sufficient snow to judge how it would do in bad weather. I am, however, pleased that I bought the 330xi. I felt that the extra cost over and above the cost of the 330i was worthwhile. I suppose the only downside is that the vehicle being more complicated might theoretically be more prone to problems. Recently, I drove a 325i that I got as a loner when my own car was in service. I was surprised how similar it was to the 330xi (I drove in good weather). I therefore think that whatever choice you make will turn out fine, assuming that you have decided on a BMW. Regards, Jason
  • beemerbeemer Member Posts: 2
    I have a 2001 325i Sport/Premium with 49,300 miles in 2 1/2 yrs, and basically blew through my mfgr. warranty. I know BMW does't offer Extended Manufacturer's Warrany on its vehicles, but I can purchase an aftermarket 3rd party Extended Warranty at the BMW dealer for roughly $2300-2600 for an additional 45,000-60,000 (meaning total on car 95,000-110,000) miles... MAYBE. I keep receiving mixed information from the BMW finance reps (they sell it) about coverage (really, exclusions on coverage), deductibles, time frame to purchase within, and definitely cost, depending on WHAT/WHICH dealer I call. Any advice?? PLEASE, I'm at 49,300 miles and NEED to make a decision since I do plan on keeping the car for at least another 2-3 years. It seems ridiculous that I have to "shop around" even amongst the BMW dealers themselves to find the best warranty coverage for the best price -- after how many would I stop and still get peace of mind?

    The other problem is "what I hear on the phone, may not be what I get" and it doesn't seem I can find out until I decide to actually buy the warranty from the specific dealer and they finally whip out the contract. Any one know about "Portfolio" or "Pinnacle from National Auto Care Corp" as 3rd party warranty providers?

    Thanks in advance for any advice - this is my first post.
  • riezriez Member Posts: 2,361
    beemer... If they won't give you the details up front and in writing, I say FLEE as fast as you can.

    Don't buy anything unless and until you can study the actual written contract!
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,778
    Go to the finance, insurance, warranties board and read the experiences related there. You will definitely never buy a 3rd party warranty after reading that.

    beemer: I would put that $2300-2600 in a separate account, and use it to pay for any repairs. Don't use it for maintenance costs, just what would be covered under a warranty. Once you have used it up (and I'm not sure you will), consider selling the car. If it costs any more than that to repair over the next 3 years, you need a different car. I think you'll come out ahead in the long run.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,778
    There are three main components of the sport package.

    1) Sport seats
    2) 17" tires and rims
    3) Sport suspension

    1) If you have to have these, you have to get the sport package.. I recommend them, but for some, the extra bolstering bothers them. Try it out.
    2) Very important for aesthetics, and provides probably 60% of the handling improvements in the sport package. You can add this cheaply yourself, w/o sport pkg. I recently saw brand new take-offs wheels and tires for $1000 asking, and the tires alone are worth $700.
    3) Provides the other 40% of the handling improvements. This is just gravy. Not that important for 95% of drivers.

    I personally like all those extra options like premium pkg, xenons, cold weather package, but if those aren't important to you, and you have to have the sport seats, then I would order.

    BUT, you have to try out the seats first. I wouldn't pass on the sport package, without knowing for sure. Take a trip some Saturday to another dealer that has one in stock.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • vkwheelsvkwheels Member Posts: 218
    I thought the dealers would do the 30K service if you're within 1K. Apparently that courtesy is no longer being offered? The mileage counter on the dash must be in the negative before they'll perform the 30K per warranty. It's no biggie I guess, I was just wondering whether others were told the same thing & am posting it as a personal experience 'fyi'.
  • gordonwdgordonwd Member Posts: 337
    >1) Sport seats

    >1) If you have to have these, you have to get
    >the sport package.. I recommend them, but for
    >some, the extra bolstering bothers them. Try it
    >out.

    Actually, dealers can order the sport seats as a separate option on customer-ordered cars. I just ordered a 325i with Sport Seats but not the Sport Pkg. It cost $550 (mine will be power since I am also getting the Premium Pkg). This was a good deal for me since I liked the seats but was not wild about the wide, hi-perf tires for my usage.
  • riezriez Member Posts: 2,361
    If you love to drive and bought the BMW to get the most driving pleasure, then Sport Pkg is only way to go. Brings out the best in any RWD BMW. (I couldn't imagine wanting a BMW unless driving pleasure was a huge consideration. Not riding pleasure, but driving.)
  • bmw323isbmw323is Member Posts: 410
    I had my car in service for a warranty problem. I had about 800 miles to go for Inspection I. They did the inspection without my asking them to do it. So some dealers will handle the service beforehand. However, on my first oil change (done at the end of one year), they told me BMW wouldn't pay until the one year was up, to the day. Go figure!

    My advice is to always ask when making a service appointment.
  • brave1heartbrave1heart Member Posts: 2,698
    FWIW, I had my first service well before the car was 12 months old. I've also had service with 500 miles remaining on the indicator.
  • scottlpscottlp Member Posts: 21
    Thanks--I've just decided to buy a 330xi and was going to post asking the same question. I really like the sports seats, but prefer the non-sports steering wheel.

    Thanks.
  • erickplerickpl Member Posts: 2,735
    I have a 325xi and have been very happy with it. I have had ZERO problems related to the transmission and only 1 problem severe enough to mention. I had a few little nits and the dealer handled every one superbly, even out of warranty.

    If I had to do it over again, I'd wait for the xi to incorporate the new x-drive, which is more flexible in routing power to wheels. The xi's have a 62/38 rear/front torque split. I would have liked it to vary, like my Jeep Grand Cherokee. But other than that, it's been very stable in the snow and hills we have around here.

    -Paul
  • alibajalajaulaalibajalajaula Member Posts: 89
    Last night I picked my 330i ZHP, with 00004 miles,Xenon,imola rot,black leather,moonroof,and of course heated front seats. The car of my dreams. Question to B or any 330i ZHP owners: what is the break-in period for this car? I mean, is there a rule as to not to exceed X rpm during the first Y miles? The dealer said not to exceed 5000 rpm during the first 1200 miles. I thought the M3s were the only ones that needed break-in period. Just asking.
    Also, I read on a long thread on this or other board bout someone losing a low-profile rear tire due to low pressure. The dealer inflated the rear Michelin Pilots 255/35 ZR18s at 27 psi (below the range of 38min-46max). I inflated them to 40 psi (cold temp of course). The fronts 235/40 ZR18s were at 31 (below the range of 32min-39max). I inflated them to 34. I normally (95%)drive by myself, with an ocassional ride (5%) with my 11 year old son. Any recommendations on tire inflation pressure practices? Guess I wanted a bigger cookie jar.
  • bmw323isbmw323is Member Posts: 410
    I am not a ZHP owner, but would this the break in would be the same as any other 3 series. Keep the RPM under 4,500 and the speed under 100 mph for the first 1,200 miles.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    what is the break-in period for this car? I mean, is there a rule as to not to exceed X rpm during the first Y miles?

    The manual claims something which I attempted to follow - 1200 miles, 5k. My dealership and my salesguy said, "Do what you like it's fine." My car's a lease so I didn't stick perfectly to the 1200/5k regimen - NMP after 45k miles.

    Any recommendations on tire inflation pressure practices? Guess I wanted a bigger cookie jar.

    I try to follow what the door sticker and manual suggests for 18s. Of course I only got 14k out of my rear tires with mostly freeway driving.

    Have fun.
  • blueguydotcomblueguydotcom Member Posts: 6,249
    am not a ZHP owner, but would this the break in would be the same as any other 3 series. Keep the RPM under 4,500 and the speed under 100 mph for the first 1,200 miles.

    What would 100 mph have to do with anything? If 100 mph is under 4500 rpm, wouldn't you be in fine shape as the engine's still turning the same way as if you were doing 45mph in second.
  • kominskykominsky Member Posts: 850
    "What would 100 mph have to do with anything?"

    Just a guess here but that's probably for the diff, axles, tranny, etc.
  • jtulljtull Member Posts: 4
    I just ordered a 330 ZHP/Imola Red/Grey leather to replace my 04 545i sport that is being returned due to numerous issues. Dealer has been great,and is crediting the cost. No local 330 ZHP to test drive. Planned on buying an M3 but the ride was absolutely punishing. A few questions. How is the ride of the ZHP?? Is the exhaust much louder than w/o ZHP? Has anyone seen the Imola Red? Haven't seen it in person, but it looked cool in the brochure. Thanks.
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