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And I know some folks say they don't expect cross shopping but these both appear to be great cars even if from same parent!
Any and all opinions welcome.
My Mother just got a brand new Ford Escape and she gets a foul smell too, but it does go away. She doesn't smoke.
If it matters....They are power and heated mirrors.
Does anyone know why they are different sizes?
Thanks
I'm just playin....no hard feelings
I still love the car!
Thanks
Thanks
M
I looked at and drove A6s (2.7TT and 4.2) before purchasing my W8 a couple of weeks ago.
I also drove most every other 'interesting' vehicle available for about $35K on up to $40+, including a couple of BMW 330i-s and a 530, a 2002 version of my old car (Y2K Lincoln LS8 Sport) and several competing Sport Sedans.
[That does not make me an expert, just experienced . . .]
The 4.2 is a very nice vehicle - Mark has posted many times on the A6 board and I read many of his comments with interest. But the price is too high for me to justify to myself (no significant other to convince) right now.
The 2.7 is also very nice, and has a different character. But once equipped with some of the options I wanted (Convenience, heated seats, Moonroof, etc.) the price again climbs quickly. If you compare a comparably equipped A6 2.7TT to a W8, the W8 is (as Mark pointed out some time ago) a 'bargain'.
And (odd issue, perhaps, but I care about such things) the 2.7TT has a 18.5 gallon fuel tank. This is better than the absurd 16.6 g. tank in the BMW 3, but I appreciate the additional range of the 21.1 g. tank in the W8.
Anyway - if you have any other specific questions, post them, and I will try to answer here . . .
Cheers,
- Ray
Who has finally exceeded the 1,000 mile 'break in' period - YE-HA!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Passat W8 is the first example, the Phaeton will be next and so on through 2005 as the differentiation between Audi and VW becomes, so has been reported, obvious.
Today, I feel there are differences, subtle differences (and I am thinking of test drives) between a Passat W8 and an Audi A6 3.0 quattro. The price of the "loaner" 2002 Audi A6 I am driving while my 2001 A6 4.2 is in for its 30,000 mile check up is $43,000; and, while it is very well equipped, it is not "maxed out" by any means. Moreover, while I applaud the major character change that the 3.0 V6 engine has bestowed on the A6, well, it isn't 270 HP and 273 lb ft of torque. The A6 is slightly larger than a Passat. But, from the driver's seat, the differences, while real are "subtle."
The "true" (whatever that means) differences between the Audi and the VW would emerge perhaps in the following situation: buy both cars and drive them about equally for 6 months. The Audi's chassis stiffness and its dynamic capabilities (I am presuming since I have not had the luxury of such a comparison) and hence its differences would become evident. On the other hand the sheer power of the VW would probably be "appreciated" over the $5,000 more expensive A6 3.0.
It is a tough time for AUDI/VW because there will be folks who cross shop -- and minus the "snob appeal" of the Audi and the spotty VW dealership experiences that are widely reported, the VW seduces with power and price. In a 45 minute test drive, even if they are literally back to back, I would suspect the VW will scream "pick me pick me. . .I am (today) the biggest bargain on the block."
The fact that I have just ordered a 2003 allroad 2.7T with a 6spd manual may tell you something, but in no way does it mean I do not believe that for the next couple of years that VW makes a very compelling case when compared with similarly or even more expensive Audis (and Bimmers, Mercs and other fine European cars -- and although if I say this, I'll get a whippin' -- but I'll say it anyway -- the case for the W8 against a similarly price Japanese car is even more pronounced [but that is becuase I am "Euorpean Car feel" biased]).
You will not go wrong with either, however. Wait until the W8 "sport" with 6spd manual comes out -- talk about ruffled feathers over at Audi (thinking of the 2.7T, and its $10,000 premium over the W8 Passat Sport).
someone thought it was cool; then decided it wasn't...same on Beetles of the same vintage...
profile of the VW Touareg over at the Vortex???
vwguild any more specifics on pricing?
So I climbed under the car for a look and sure enough, the rotors look like someone took a ball peen hammer and smacked my rotors with it.
My mechanic said that my brake pads are like new, but this problem will ruin them at an accelerated pace. Any similar problems? Any advice on how I should present this to my VW dealer in hopes they might do something for me? Thanks.
upon the options & PowerPlant...
For example, when was the last time you heard anyone say: Volkswagen ("Folks-vahg-in") BMW ("Bay Em Vay") or Mercedes-Benz ("Mer-say-dase Benns")
to difficult conditions."
Seems pretty appropriate to me...
we don't smoke or anything. i guess i should contact our dealer.
And, while the British pronounce Jaguar "Jag-you-are", in the original Guarani it's more like
"Zzhahh-gWa!". (The Guarani indians also supplied our name for what they call a "devil fish", the ever-popular "Peer-RAH-an-YAH!")
Not to mention all those two-door cars properly known as "Coo-pays"... of which, my favorite is the Chevrolet "Somewhat Large Shrimp", AKA Camaro (a "camaron" would be a large shrimp).
Great ride & what a V...oops, W8 engine. Doing a side by side spreadsheet comparison tonight of features, options, specs, etc. versus the A6 and finding both very close. Most glaring difference is trunk space and folding seats. Got to check if my golf bag & partners will fit in what seems much tighter trunk area. Couple of other interesting facts, mini-spare on steel rim, no 1st aid kit or warning triangle even though there was spaces for both. Seems that the reduced W8 length impacts the trunk size and two inches of leg room too.
Was very put off when another salesman essentially hovered over us after my test drive and almost grabbed keys out of my hand to go off with another customer. Very rude indeed and told my sales guy so, he seemed miffed too but didn't say anything to this guy. This may cause me to go find another dealer to make a deal if this is how they treat folks willing to put $40k for an upscale VW. Can't believe this same behavior will win customers when the Phaeton hits the showroom.
I'm interested in finding out if anyone in this forum has any information, yea or nay, about these warranties and/or companies. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I was wondering how old you all are and why you like/love your Passat. What year do you have and what attracted you to it? How is it different then other cars you owned? Did you buy it after owning a 2 door or did your family grow? Do you consider it sporty or more of a basic family sedan? Have you always owned VW's and if not, is it your favorite car out of the ones you've had?
I'm asking because I can not believe that my taste in cars has changed as much as it has over the past few years. I'm not sure if I should throw in the towel to growing old, or be happy that I own the most sophisticated car I've ever had.
I had my eye on a 3 series BMW for over 5 years. Then I liked the Jetta after realizing that the BMW was out of my $$ range. Then as I had to seriously start looking, I found myself looking at slightly bigger cars then what I had my eye on and I ended up with the '99 Passat.
I'm used to having cars built for speed and I always had 2 door cars (Corvette)
Should I be afraid to "test" this cars ability? For some reason, I haven't done anything extreme.
I know it's not a vette and I don't expect it to act like one, but I can't help but think that 4 door means boring to drive and that's how I'm treating it.
I am a 30 year old female and I grew up with American vehicles. This is the first German made car I've had, so I'm tip-toeing around it like I'm not sure if it bites.
Thanks for your input
JC
I was considering much more expensive cars,but decided to make my first stick be a more unassuming car,in case I wanted to quickly resell it.
I have been a little amazed how much of a pleasure it is driving. Since 1998,I'd always thought the Passat was the most attractive sedan design,bar none(even including the Jag XJ8).
I think the Passat is the perfect mix of sporty Miata and cushy Cadillac.
It has been the best car I've ever owned. The stick really adds a LOT of fun;I definately HIGHLY reccommend it.
I've been a car nut my whole life,but I've never really cared for very powerful,supposedly "entheuists"cars.
So for me,the Passat has been perfect.
Thanks.
fail to display. Local BMW/VW dealer did a good job of repair and haven't had any problems since at 1100 miles. Rest of the car is first rate, tight all around.. very fun to drive smooth
ride, I actually test drove a Saab 9-3 and found the VW to be much more smooth, the turbo is
awesome, this is a quite fast smooth sharp $25K German sedan. I still can't believe I got this
much car for the money. It even comes with rear sunshade. Inside the car is high high quality
soft release soft feel material all around. I had Japanese cars with leather before, the Passat's
leather is much softer and has a nice texture to it, and most of all it has a wonderful smell of
good leather welcomes you when you open the Merc alike feel doors.
Maybe they should come with little sets of third-worlder kill markings on the drivers side like they used to have on WWII fighter aircraft. Excursions would obviously get more than a mere Touareg, but a 3.2L V6 ought to be worth something... :-)
Ok, maybe not the sky, but my protection pan or whatever you call it (the piece right behind the front bumper that protects the front end) fell part way off. I was driving to an appt. and I hear this scraping sound as I pull into the parking lot. At first I thought I had a flat, so I get out and look at the tires to find they were all fine. So I'm sitting at my appt. and I look out where I was more eye level with the underneath of the car, and I notice something hanging down. I said a few swear words and went out to see what it was. I took it to the closest garage and the guy there was nice enough to put a piece of wire on each side where the clips had broke off. He says it should hold, but I wonder if I should get new clips or better yet a new piece.
Has anyone had any trouble with that part coming off?
I was told by a classmate who works in the parts dept. at a Audi, BMW, VW dealer that people always rip them off without ever knowing exactly what happened. I certainly couldn't think of how it happened to me. I am used to driving low to the ground cars, so I'm usually real careful.
And then there's......
The material on the front seat backs (on the sides of the lumbar part) seem to come out as if they were cut too short and then stuffed behind the middle piece. When someone sits there, the material pops out. I can put my hand behind the piece of seat that covers the back. Anyone else notice that?
I also noticed a new scrape on the plastic part of the front bumper on the right side. UGH! I hate not knowing how these things happen. I'm the only one driving the car. I did notice a full hand print on my hood, so I'm wondering if while I was parked somewhere that someone came too close to the car, scraped it, and came over to inspect it to see if there was damage. Then put his hand on the hood, and leaned down to check the front. But that's just a far fetched guess.
Just call me Columbo <:)
Think that VW may be offering dealers some $$ incentives to move cars. Was offered to buy 2 cars at 2 dealers at slightly BELOW invoice (brand new) 1st - GLS, 1.8T (auto), lux, leather,monsoon,CWP,homelink, - prix offered was
$24,866 delivered (excluding T,T,L)but including the doc fees. 2nd offer was same w/out leather was
offered $23,250??
Can anyone confirm the dealer $$ and if so how much... They're not even adding any "advertising"
$$ to this??
just last month, the best prix received here was
$500 over edmunds invoice.
both still offered the low % financing as well..
Programs ALWAYS begin at the 1st of the month...
not the 8th...
My son-in law owned same car, expect for CD player (his is in dash). However he needed two parts of his former Passat's emission control system replaced to the tune of $1,000 tp $1,200. The car had about 60k on it when the emission control parts were replaced.
Has anyone else experienced this problem?
Two facts may be important: My son-in-law commutes about 200 to 250 miles a day to work and lives in Connecticut where he drives on I-95. Wonder if the level of air pollution or type of gas he put in the car had anything to do with his problem.
My son-in-law now drives a Toyota Avalon. Thanks
Mark in North Carolina