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Only thing I can do is not to buy that brand again. Do you mostly drive alone in your car. Wonder if it is due to not having weight at the back. Looking at Michelin MXVPlus at Costco at 137 per including balancing and mounting. I have had enough of performance, and I need quiet tires now.
Our neighbor has one.
$106 tire + $10 shipping from tirerack.com.
You can go to their website and search these tires and there is a survey result on them.
Only thing I can do is not to buy that brand again. Do you mostly drive alone in your car.
I just got off the phone with customer service at tirerack.com (where I purchased them), and they said the same thing - cupping is not covered by the tire warranty. Since I had an alignment just prior to having the tires installed, they can't use the "misaligned" excuse. But they did try to say it is a problem with my suspension, which I don't think is the case because two different garages have looked at mine and did not find a problem. By the way, I drive mostly alone in the car with nothing in the trunk, but that shouldn't cause tires to get cupped. I also keep them inflated to 31 psi.
I'm going to take the car to an authorized Dunlop retailer (Goodyear) to have them check it out. If they don't want to help me I will have to start writing letters to Dunlop I guess.
TIA
see last few pages and discussions.
Cupping is uneven wear # 2561 is his reply
capriracer "Tires, tires, tires" Apr 16, 2003 7:47am
my question is 1 page before #2559
shanian "Tires, tires, tires" Apr 15, 2003 4:07pm
I'll try to describe how mine appears visually. If you look at the outer-most section of the tread, each individual tread has part of it worn down more than the other part. So going all the way around the tire, only every other 1/2 tread is making contact with the ground. You can really see this if you drive onto a dusty garage floor, 1/2 the tread is black and the other 1/2 is dusty. With the SP Sport A2s, all of the center tread is flat and not really sectioned, so the cupping only appears on the outer (and inner) tread.
I do tend to push the tires hard into corners on occasion, so maybe that is why they are cupping badly on the outside. I should probably be putting more than 31 psi in them to compensate for my driving style.
$29K isn't bad, we paid almost C$28K for our Intrigue. Why so much discounting?
Now, at low speeds, the tires make a noise that oscillates faster as the car speeds up. The noise is louder when the tires are cold, but are still there even after they are warm.
I'll try to rotate the tires and expect the greater wear up front to round out the tires. However, I'm afraid that it'll only go away once and for all with new tires.
Still, I think that the Eagle LS is on the noisy side. Noise and wet capabilities are more important to me than cornering. In this regard, according to the survey in Tire Rack, Bridgestone tires come at the top. Is that really so or Firestone employees are pumping the survey up?
:-)
BTW, shanian, capriceracer is THE MAN! Thanks.
I'm still measuring the mileage in urban traffic, but it seems to be lower than my Bonneville's (22 vs. 24MPG), probably because of its poorer low-end torque. But on the highway it beats the 3.8 V6 by 3MPG.
Not too shabby.
;-)
Growing up, our family truckster was an Olds "woody" Delta 88(not entirely sure on the name, I just remember it was a mid-late 70s Oldsmobile) station wagon with vinyl seats. Now, I remember some of the messes my younger sibs made, and when I think about cleaning the same messes out of the cloth seats of my car, I want to cry. Thankfully the wife's Escape does have leather, so if a baby does come along, I won't have to worry about soiling MY car. Selfish? Nah.
Well, I didn't actually have to stop and fill up until I was FAR into the trip home.. I'm guessing about another 150 miles of driving?
The Intrigue is the ULTIMATE road trip car. It has no peer. My dad, mother, sister/husband, me/wife are going out to Maryland this August for my cousin's wedding. My plan is for dad/mom to take the Intrigue (dad bought it from me), and the rest of us take the Maxima. Unfortunately, mom has always gotten carsick unless she's riding up high, and therefore REALLY wants to take her vehicle. All six of us. In a 2000, beat up, rattletrap Pontiac Montana. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I've ridden in the Montana. The Intrigue is smooth, quiet, and powerful on the highway. In comparison, the Montana is like road-tripping in a mail truck. Maybe if I slip a dramamine into mom's drink beforehand?
emc
My tire racket got so bad, I was dreaming of all kinds of things that could have been bad, wheel bearings, struts, engine problems etc.
May be I am just treating the symptom than the cause of my cupped tires, but there could be so many things wrong and there is only so much time and money you can throw at finding out. At 3 years and 60 K miles, my car is probably in that mid life where nothing is obviously wrong, but several things are not new either.
I'd like to know what tires others have been successful at replacing their Goodyear Eagles with, especially if you have put 30K+ miles on them.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
I have visions of the tire dude standing at the high speed balancer, with a big knife in his hand, verbally threatening the tire to comply. LOL
Did they think it was the rims or the tires?
I too was thinking of replacing the bad year RSA(really stinking awful or royally screwed again) with avid tourings.
Now that you are all tune up, compared to the eagles, what is your opinion on ride comfort, noise and did the avids lessen the (feel every crack in the road) sensation?
I would love to get one but I don't want to chance scratching my car.
I think I only got about 30,000 miles on the A2's
BTW, I still like the Intrigue and look forward to long trips in it. The 3.5 is THE motor that the General should have kept for the other divisions. Beancounters, bah!
The 3.6L thus far is only slated to be in the CTS as far as sedans go. Even the Camry will have 225 hp or so and 240lb/ft for 2004. Will a smaller version of the 3.6L engine be powerful enough?
However, the family will grow, and maybe derivatives make to a broader availability.
The remarkable 3.8 is also poised to be improved and enlarged to 3.9.
Heard back from Oldsmobile customer assistance on Friday. They got my letter and called me to discuss my concerns. When I advised them I would really appreciate some compensation for the extended(45+ days) time I have been without a car the lady said she would have to escalate the issue to a district manager as they typically do not offer any type of monetary compensation when rentals or loaners were given. She was friendly and seemed to be on the ball, but I'm still skeptical if anything will be done. She did begin to offer an extended warranty at first then must have realized my car already had one. I'm not asking for the world, just something which is fair due to the number of problems I have had with this car and the inability for them to be corrected in a timely manner. If GM would give me a voucher for say $1500 or so similar to what Olds owners were given when the phase out was announced, I would have much greater confidence in them and be much more likely to buy another new GM vehicle. To me, this would not only compensate me for the time I've been without car but also make up for the fact that I could not sell this car at top value due to all these problems should a potential customer ask to see the service records.
Like you say, the next Intrigue would have been a sweet ride. I will test a GP soon as I want to feel what could have been.
IIRC, California Car Cover Co offers a two-fer set - large for the outside and a smaller one for the interior.
Can beat 'em for keeping your car looking good between washes.
Deke
22/32MPG is not bad at all.
For the record, I get 24/29MPG on my Bonneville with the same transmission and axle ratio, but with the 3.8 OHV. Around town is where the Buick V6 shows off its practically flat torque curve.
2018 VW Passat SE w/tech, 2016 Audi Q5 Premium Plus w/tech, 2006 Acura TL w/nav
This was so impressive, I had to tell you guys. My TornadoAir unit ( www.tornadoair.com ) just arrived today. Supposedly, fuel economy is improved as well as throttle response. I just put it in and took it for a spin. I'm on 1/4 tank so fuel economy improvement has yet to be seen. As far as throttle response goes all I can say is:
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, I know some of you might think this is mechanical snake oil (as some feel about the K&N) but this is the real deal. There is NOTICEABLE difference. I have the 3.05 axle. We all know that the 3.29 axle (if you have PCS, you've got the 3.29) is noticably quicker off the line. Well, the 3.05 feels like that now, if not better. That inital lag off the line? Gone. And as the tach rises, the fun factor increases exponentially. It idles even quieter and smoother than before, which says a lot considering how smooth and queit it was without it.
Installation is super easy. Simply install it in the hose behind the Mass Air Sensor (the Mass Air Sensor is that metal piece with the wires attaching and the black box attached on the right side), reattach the hose back to the mass air sensor, unplug the positive and negative terminal battery cables (to reset the computer) and drop the hood. The dyno test (on the box & website) showed from 10hp to 20hp increases. Even at the low end, that would give the Intrigue 225hp at the wheels.
I don't know how much the K&N helps but the TornadoAir does wonders for performance. I like it so much, I've ordered one for the wife's car.
The improved throttle response that tone2one is feeling may be an increase in low end torque from having a smaller intake opening, since the tornado does tend to choke down the inlet pipe diameter. Having a smaller inlet area will increase the speed of the air within the pipe.
This choked down air intake pipe idea is the same as putting a set of 1.5" diameter headers on a car thentesting it on the dyno or the street. Take those headers and put some 2" diameter ones on and that car will be a dog off the line. But make big power at 6-7000 rpms.
Provided of course it has suitable heads, cam, intake to take advantage of high rpm operation.
Remember, you can either have increased velocity or increased flow. Velocity will increase low end torque. Flow(bigger diameter pipe) will increase high end power usually at the expense of low end power.
I suspect that his intrigue's torque and torque band has been moved down lower to where it is more accessible in stop and go traffic.
And then when he floors it on the highway it is probably turning 2-2500 rpms. Closer to where the big part of the torque is than before.
Just a theory.