Mazda Protegé

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  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Good to hear you're safe at least. Will you be getting another Civic or will you look at another car?

    Dinu
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    Glad everyone involved was okay...sorry about your car, because I know how much you enjoyed it.
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    how do you know how much he enjoyed it?

    don't get red chipro.
    I am just kidding.
  • chicagoprochicagopro Member Posts: 1,009
    I happen to know that she (not he) really liked driving the Si. Not sure what your question is, but no, I'm not red.

    :)

    --Dale
  • edmund2460edmund2460 Member Posts: 293
    I know I'm not using the right words, but I now favor the tight centred feeling of the steering on the PRO. Most other cars I've driven, including the Accord are loose for a few degrees around the middle and you don't really feel anything till you turn the wheel a few degrees. I now have a definite preference for the way the PRO drives in this respect.

    What aspect of the design gives the PRO this feedback?
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Is it its wider than avg for its class tires?

    Chikoo: The teacher knows and sees EVRYTHING!

    Dinu
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Member Posts: 1,265
    Thank the big guy above that everyone involved was okay, sorry about your car, did you have gap insurance? What does Faxshun have to say about the accident.? I hope everything works out. Jeeze, your really lucky to be ok.

    -LK
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Member Posts: 1,265
    Well your a real.....

    -lovetrain
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    "Well your a real....."

    Yes, I'm listening.

    Dinu
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Member Posts: 3,802
    Everybody was safe although the two people in the other car were taken to the hospital .. I don't know the severity of their injuries but it didn't look like they were seriously injured to me.

    The insurance company gave me $19,800 for the car so I picked up another SI (same color) on Wednesday for $16,900 (with foglights, mud guards, and mats). I thought about waiting to buy another one until the Mazda 6, Accord coupe, and 03 SI's came out but I couldn't wait that long. I looked at a P5/Protege but with them being redesigned soon I would hate to buy a car that's about to be redesigned. You always want the newest version ya know?
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    <<< I looked at a P5/Protege but with them being redesigned soon I would hate to buy a car that's about to be redesigned. >>>

    Yeap, but try to avoid buying a car in its first year of existence. More than few of us are pretty skeptical about the next generation of Protege/P5 because of they share the same platform with Ford's.

    Bruno
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    I don't know the main reason. But for sure that the short multiplication factor of 15/1 must have something to do with a good communicating quality of the Pro steering.

    Bruno
  • pgb0001pgb0001 Member Posts: 7
    Have a 2001 Pro LX with a single disc CD changer. Want to swap this out for a 6 disc changer. Anyone know if this is possible?
  • alternatoralternator Member Posts: 629
    Does anyone know of any Auto Plant Tours available to individuals or couples (not groups) in Michigan-Ohio-Kentucky-Tennessee-Illinois (or slightly beyond) area? I've already toured the Toyota Plant at Georgetown, Ky. And, if you know, who do I contact to make the tour?

    Also, any rave Auto Museums you can recommend in that same area? I've already been to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Auburn/Cord/Duesenberg and Ray Miller museums in Indiana, and the Gilmore in Michigan (and those are all great I might add).
  • nematodenematode Member Posts: 448
    I had my first problem with my 01 ES last week with 16,500 miles. It was the first problem of ANY kind. To that point there was nothing. Not one squeek, rattle, nothing. Just oil and filter every 6-7k and air filter at 15k. That's it. Anyway, the drivers side power window refused to go down all the way. It would stop around 3/4 and just sit there. I did not try and force anything or keep the motor engaged beyond where it was getting stuck. I took it to Lou Fusz Mazda (where I bought it) and it was fixed the same day as a warranty repair. I think I'll be going back there. First, I called and got an appointment the next day. Second, I took it in at 8:00am and got a call at around 2:00pm to pick it up when I wanted. Its a high volume dealer and they really seem like they have they stuff together. Basically, they had to remove the door panel and move some foam/insulation(?) that had become lodged in the window track. A relatively minor problem but still required a trip to the dealer. The rep said it was pretty common but most people try and force the window down (bending the track) or stress the motor and do way more damage (both require parts). I'm still very happy with the car and I'm also happy that I may have found a dealer service department thats not irritating. I may even go there for oil changes and the 30k.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Yes, the 6-disc changer can be put in your car. All the do is take out the CD player itself and put in the 6-disc unit with your stereo. Labor, about an hour. Cost for the CD changer, about $550! I was going to do it in my 01 Protege ES, but never got around to it.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Don't worry about the window. That happend to my 01 ES when I had it. They fixed it, and gave me the same reason they gave you. They didn't even try to blame my tint, which I thought was cool. I only kept the car another couple of months, so don't know if it will happen again or not to you. It didn't to me.
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    Credit the good feel and minimal on-center dead spot to the relatively quick and stiff rack-and-pinion set up.
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    Greenfield Village and Henry Ford Museum in Southfield, MI. Fordsville USA!
  • chikoochikoo Member Posts: 3,008
    and low profile tires, too!!

    if you get tire in anything less than the H-rated and profile any greater than 55, you will end up with the dull centre!!
  • newcar31newcar31 Member Posts: 3,711
    the River Rouge plant in Dearborn. I believe it's the oldest auto plant still in use in the US and they build Mustangs there. They used to build Model Ts....
  • alternatoralternator Member Posts: 629
    Routine servicing of the 2002 Mazda Protege (for example) calls for replacing the oil and oil filter every 6 months or 7,500 miles (4 months or 5,000 miles if severe service applies).

    Many of us like to be more conservative, so we choose 3,000 miles for our oil and oil filter change. Now, if that seems overly expensive or inconvenient, consider the following:

    The most-modern of motor cars in its own time (and a wonderful technological marvel it truly was) --- the 1930-1932 Model L29 Cord --- had the following manufacturer's service recommendations:

    Engine: Every 500 miles, change oil (8 quarts)
    Engine: Every 8,000 to 10,000 miles, change oil filter (WOW !!!)
    Chassis: Daily, or every 100 miles, depress lubricator pedal
    Generator: Every 1,000 miles, add 8/10drops of oil to front and rear cap oilers
    Starter: Every 1,000 miles, add 8/10drops of oil to oiler
    Distributor: Every 1,000 miles, oil breaker arm pivots, give grease cup one turn, lube cam with vaseline
    Wheel universals: Every 2,000 miles, lube
    Drag link: Every 500 miles, add grease
    Front tie rod: Every 500 miles, add grease
    Rear wheel bearings: Every 3 to 6 months, clean and repack
    Front wheel bearings: Every 3 to 6 months, clean and repack
    Steering gear: Every 500 miles, top off oil

    We really have it easy today don't we?
  • cmortoncmorton Member Posts: 15
    Has anyone ordered the optional Auto-Dimming rear view mirror with the outside temp and compass features? I had one installed and it seems to be very innacurate when the outside temp goes over 75. It shows temps 10-20 degrees warmer than the actual temp., especially in stop and go driving.
    I took had the dealer that installed in check it out and they said it was up to specs in both performance and placement, but 10-20 degrees seem to be very inaccurate. Any ideas?
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    I have an outside temp on my wife's grand prix. It too reads high in stop and go. High relative to ambient air temp, I should say. It is accurately reading the temp around the sensor which, unfortunately, picks up quite a bit of heat from the car. It is most effective when the car is moving.

    Can you "fix" this? I don't know. I'd imagine that it would be difficult to insolate the temp gauge from heat diffusion off the car while still being able to measure external air temp.

    Actually, if you think about how much heat an engine, exhaust, or even brakes, give off, and how quickly heat diffuses in air, 10-20 degrees is not too bad.
  • johnny_mavrikjohnny_mavrik Member Posts: 6
    Hey, I have a 99 Protege LX and recently have experienced some weird problems. My car the other day would not start - it wouldn't even turn over and after using the keyless remote to open the doors and trying to start the car, the doors and other power accesories stopped working.

    I returned 20 minutes later to jump start the car - assuming that I had a dead battery and the car started without even having to jump start it. I drove it the rest of the week without problems.

    However, last Friday I tried to start my car after driving it earlier that morning, and the car was dead. I tried to jump start the battery but I couldnt even get the car to turn over. I took the battery out and took it to the auto store and they said the battery was dead. I bought a new one and the car is still dead. The dashboard lights work but the car won't even turn over. And, after using my keyless remote to open the car, the powerlocks and windows will not work.

    Is this a starter problem? An alternator problem? An electrical problem?

    Just trying to see if this is going to be a major repair job, I have had problems with the car 3x in the 1st 55k miles (brakes went out in 1st 20k, blown transmission at 25k, and the faulty air sensor at 40k).
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Alternator would be my 1st guess, but then I would say the starter since it didn't start after you installed the new battery. Tricky.

    Anyone else?

    Dinu
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    Could be alternator, but you'd think it would show other strange behaviors while running - dimming lights under load, etc. Does it? Could be the starter, but why would that drain the battery? Could be the brake and or tranny shifter starter interlock (not sure if it has one, but assuming it does and assuming it is an auto), but why would that drain the battery? It could also be mixture of problems I suppose. Does the car have an alarm?
  • johnny_mavrikjohnny_mavrik Member Posts: 6
    No, no alarm and yes it is an automatic. I called the Dealer today and will probably have AAA tow it there tonight.

    I was thinking that perhaps one of the solenoids (sp?) went out on the starter and that somehow my battery went kaput also. I know the timing is coincidental.

    But I dont know how to explain why I lose power when I try to start it (unless the starter is bad too).

    And when it was running, I couldnt tell that there was any problems with it. Now I can't even get the damn thing started again.

    Anyways - any other thoughts are definitely appreciated.
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    a cable went bad? A short circuit somewhere?

    Bruno
  • regfootballregfootball Member Posts: 2,166
    last i checked on ebay there were several mazda factory 2002 6 disc units up for auction with buy it now price of 149...don't go to the dealer
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    From alot of experience with electrical problems in a Bonneville (7 alternators, 3 batteries, 1 starter in 60K miles), I will tell you when one of them goes, all 3 pretty much go. They are all linked together, so it usually happens that way. If the car lost battery power, it would be the alternator. The car would not hold a charge. When starting, did you hear a CLICK, CLICK, CLICK? If so, that's definitely the alternator.

    Good luck with the car.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    Sounds like a short in the system. It's draining your battery and your accessories aren't getting the current they need to operate.

    Do your lights turn on (even dimly) right after you install a new battery?

    Electrical problems can be a pain to nail down as it could be problems with loose connections, worn insulation, a short or an open circuit in a component. It can take a while, even with circuit diagrams, to find the problem. However, once found, electrical problems usually are easy to fix.

    However, as mentioned, depending on the failure, one component failing may have put extra load on other components, causing them to fail too. Good luck.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    Are you lucky enough to still have your car under warranty? Just curious. Good luck in getting your ride fixed.
  • johnny_mavrikjohnny_mavrik Member Posts: 6
    Well, I finally gave in and took my Protege to the Dealer. Will find out today what the problem(s) are. Thanks everyone for your help. Unfortunately, my warrenty ran out at 36k miles.

    Here's hoping its just the altenator.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    If your car is a 1999 Protege and you bought it new, your warranty is good until 50K miles. The basic warranty on all Mazda vehicles is 3 years/50K miles. You might still be in warranty...
  • johnny_mavrikjohnny_mavrik Member Posts: 6
    It doesnt matter - since I have 54k miles on my car. I drove it a lot in the 1st year.

    Anyways - thanks for everyone's help - I will write again when they diagnose the problem(s).
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
  • dinu01dinu01 Member Posts: 2,586
    Looks like a great car, but $20.000 US seems quite steep. Isn't that a little too close to 6 territory? It is after all about 4.000-5.000 off the WRX...

    Dinu
  • the_big_hthe_big_h Member Posts: 1,583
    to 6 territory, remember the base 6 (I4, manual, no other big packages) should be just above 20k, optioning it out with some suspension packages and it should be in 22k range.

    for 20k you get, as Sport Compact Car said, "the new measuring stick in sport compact car performance," topping the almighty Integra Type R, I'd say it's a great deal.

    and the Type R was, what, 25k+ I think?

    depends on what you want, more space and comfort or MAXIMUM performance for the money (20k)
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    With its numbers (250ish HP and 160ish lbft), it's not going to smoke any Corvettes or Cobras in any drag-races.

    Then again, the RX8 will have a 10 cu ft trunk (just barely usable, for me anyway) and bucket seats for 4, with 4 usable doors, while being very sporty and having decent performance numbers for starting just under $30k.

    I think they're starting to hint at a future RX7 (see this month's R&T), which hinges upon success of the RX8 (will be a 2-dr, 2-seater) and the next Miata (possible rotary engine option). Then again, these might just be feelers.
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    $20,500 + destination + dealer greed = probably not quite the maximum performance for the money. Depends upon whether you're more into straight line speed or more into handling. It's still a cool car, though.
  • johnny_mavrikjohnny_mavrik Member Posts: 6
    Ok, so I got the car diagnosed. Appears that I had leakage from the original Mazda battery and the cables are entirely corroded (inside and out). Unfortunately the cables go all the way down under the transmission so its gonna be costly.

    Grrr...must have gotten a lemon with this one.

    Peace and thanks.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Member Posts: 2,329
    I think you would've seen evidence of leaking electrolyte (like lots of white powdery stuff on your battery terminals). I wonder where the battery leaked from?

    So far as cost, what's the cause? I guess they can't use the original cable to snake the replacements since they probably removed them for inspection. And I think the ground cable is fairly short. I'll have to take a peek at my set-up.
  • vocusvocus Member Posts: 7,777
    If I were you, I would take my car to an independent shop to have them replace the cables. You would more than likely save alot of money. Of course, with a dead car, that might be a problem.

    And one problem in 3 years and 54K miles hardly do a lemon make. It could have been worse. Good luck with the car.
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    How often do you open the hood for visual check? Usually if the battery is leaking one could see some white moisture around the battery.

    Lucky me, my previous diagnostic "cable went bad" is almost right.

    Bruno
  • johnny_mavrikjohnny_mavrik Member Posts: 6
    Well I had a little leakage of the battery - but I cleaned that when I first noticed it. Anyways, the Dealer is wanting $600 for parts and labor (I am guessing mostly labor) -- and I am screwed since the car is dead and don't know any trustowrthy mechanics in the Sacramento area. I went thru the dealer before and trust them somewhat.

    I wish this was my 1st problem. I had to replace the brake pads AND the transmission in the 1st 30k miles. The air sensor (the mysterious check engine light) came on at about 40k miles. And, I have had a weird problem with the white keylock cover on the driver side door disentagrating.

    Not a slam on Mazda or the Proteges at all, but I think I have had more than my share of problems with it.

    Peace.
  • bluong1bluong1 Member Posts: 1,927
    My goodness. I never though it costs that much. Sorry to hear all the troubles.
  • dsm6dsm6 Member Posts: 813
    $598 for knowing what to do with it.

    Yes, I know, it's not really $2 for the cables. I'm exaggerating, folks.

    I think I'd pay to have it towed home, and do it myself - finding a new route for the damn cables if need be. $600? Ouch.

    Actually, I'd probably say goodbye to the $600 and let them do it at that point. Oh well, better luck next time.
  • townhall9townhall9 Member Posts: 78
    Speaking of preventive maint. I checked the air in my tires, recently, when the outside temp was 30 degrees less than the last time. Of course some air was needed (tires "loose' 1+ lb for every 10 degrees the temp falls). Tip: when I determine that more air is needed, I slightly overfill the tires, and then the first thing the next day, let the excess out till I get exactly what I want.
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