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23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
As a data point, last week we ordered a 2002 Explorer Eddie Bauer 4WD 6-cyl from Douglas Ford in Summit, NJ.
Options ordered: running boards, side air bags, moon roof, reverse sensing, 3rd row seat
Salesman was Bud Dyer -- low key, very pleasant, no pressure, would recommend him
We were shown printout from Ford ordering system giving pricing as $37,210 "retail" (i.e. MSRP), $34,074 "invoice"
Per the printout, adjustable pedals and Homelink will be included when delivered. Telescoping steering wheel is not yet available -- credit of $54 given on invoice price.
Total invoice price on printout included $250 advertising fee (called "FDAF Assessment") plus $26 for a tank of gas (13 gal at $2/gal). Except for these items, the invoice prices for the base car and the options seemed to agree with the info on Edmunds, given the $54 credit for telescoping steering wheel.
Salesman said they wanted $1000 over invoice, or $35,074.
Told him we had a quote from carsdirect.com for $700 over invoice. But it's not clear if the carsdirect.com quote covers the advertising fee and the tank of gas.
Anyway, we finally agreed on $600 over invoice or $34,674. He asked for a $500 deposit.
We were quoted 8 weeks delivery. They will try to locate a car with correct configuration if already on order by Douglas, or perhaps in trade with other dealer. No update on actual delivery date yet.
Hope this info is useful. We'd be interested in hearing if anyone else was able to get a significantly better price in the north NJ area.
Good luck.
One thing I don't understand is how the extra $6000 - $7000 can be justified for the BE or Limited. The XLS 4WD with the sport group has power everything, cruise, tilt wheel, DC player (the standard one that sounds great), the same 4WD system as the XLT, BE, or Limited (3 modes, computer controlled WAD, 4WD, or 4WD low range), the same 4.0 6cyl and 5 speed auto as the more expensive ones, the same standard tow package (built in hitch receiver and wiring), the same roof rack, good looking 16in. alloys, running boards, tinted windows, very comfortable standard cloth seats, and the same good looks.
Granted the EB has a certain look that I like but I could not justify the extra $7000. The XLS has everthing I need. Just my opinion.
Likes:
1. good power from the 4.0
2. good exterior appearance
3. good ride quality (for a truck)
4. it's an American made SUV
5. comfort level of the seats
6. interior room (I'm 6'3" and when I have the
driver's seat adjusted to my comfort level
and when I get in back behind the driver's seat my knees just graze the seat. Something I could not say for the 2001 or most other midsize SUV's.
7. the under floor storage compartments if you don't opt for the third seat.
8. That new car smell and feel.
Dislikes:
1. The white paint had rail dust on it. (white buyers beware. It can only be seen on very close inspection. It will look like very small dots of rust. The dealer acknowleged the exsistance of this problem on white cars and it is at the dealer right now being taken care of under warrenty. Removal of this is best left to a professional ie. labor intensive.)
2. more wind noise than I expected at highway speeds. (75mph speed limit here.)
3. a transmission that shifts sluggishly from 2-3 and 3-4 under very light acceleration. It does not have this problem under moderate to brisk acceleration. The dealer is also looking into this.
4. a rattle coming from the middle of the dash near the windshield. Also being looked into.
5. an intermitant "raspy" sound from the engine at certain loads and RPM's. Also being looked into.
I had a 1985 Bronco II some years ago that I bought new and I loved that truck but it was an absolute heap compared to this one. How far ford has come with their mid size SUV's.
23 Telluride SX-P X-Line, 23 Camry XSE
Anyone else getting better deals on a lease or residual values? Is the dealer jerking me around by messing with my residual or can they do that?
Help!!!
TSB's...
1 The transmission will sometimes shift slowly. This is the computer learning and is normal. Something about enhancing durability. The condition will improve the more the computer learns. Apparently it will adapt to your driving habits. Point of note. Disconnecting the battery will start the learning process all over again. It said so in the TB.
2 If you have a rattle coming from the dash area it is probably a part somewhere in the steering caolum. The TB said it is a known problem and the will replace it. There was a number that the service guy was to call to get the scoop on how to fix it.
3 No fix yet on the "rasp" sound coming from the engine, see prior post. Still no effect on drivability and I think it is getting better. It is smooth and powerfull on the highway.
4 They took care of the rail dust. Polished it out.
Question...
Does anyone know what the tongue weight limit is for the standard, built in, reciever hitch?
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My wife an I have never had such a hard time trying to get someone to take our $35k-$30k!
Matt
Good luck.
MATT - Don't give up on the Ford. These products are truly a giant leap forward in progress.
Does anyone know what features/ options such an entry will have? Perhaps more wood on the dash and navigation system?
Thanks for the advice. Since I want it very loaded, I checked and you are correct, seems simarly equipped loaded Mountaineer and Loaded Eddie Bauer or Limited have about a 1500 dollar diference, with the Mountaineer being more cost effective loaded. I have a 96 XLT so I can split that diffence in half if I purchase an explorer. I happen to like the Mountaineer stlying better except for the plastic aluminum trim around the radio and the interior of the doors. But i also like the Explorer low gear 4WD for the few times I drive on the beach each year.
I figure the new 2003 Lincoln SUV offered next spring will be a lot pricier and probably will not offer a low gear either.
I will order the new Mountaineer as soon as the Andvance Trac yaw control system comes out( not that it will help me on the beach, but i like that safety system in general). I d like to get it before my extended ford waranttee expires in Dec of this year, so I wont be waiting to see the Lincoln as I prefer not to keep my Explorer ( which has been trouble free) past the extended warantee.
Thanks for your help
Just like noted in one of the threads, I have a small rattle somewhere neear the drivers controls on the left or steering column - will have dealer look at it soon. Also heard the suspicious sound from the engine or transmission the other day, but no performance issues associated with it.
The most worrysome thing is while driving very slowly at about 10MPH up a very mild uphill grade (maybe 3%), I heard and felt a KLUNK from what felt like a rear wheel - it was EXTREMELY pronounced. I pulled over and the street should no signs that I ran over anything - -it was something mechanical - it was a BAD feeling - no repetitive occurance so far to be able to explain or demonstrate to service technician - let's hope it never happens again.
The fit and finish is "OK" so far - having some minor irritation with lever that controls the row 2 center seat back. That notwithstanding, after my 92 Explorer XLT, and 95 Eddie Bauer 4x4, the comparative ride and handling is extremely refined, and I'm very happy.
Once or twice a year, I really appreciated the selectable 4 wheel drive on the Eddie Bauer - - but the full time tracking on the new AWD is very nice; we'll see how it does in snow next winter.
with side steps.
Rides great and feels good.
Thanks to edmunds, I felt I got a good deal from Fiesta Mercury here in San Antonio.
According to edmunds prices with above options, invoice was 28,300 and I paid $100 above invoice plus destination of $600, for a total of $29,000.
I did have a problem with the a/c twice:
1. it was not cooling properly and they had to recharge the system. They said the factory put only 1.5 lbs of freon where it should have been 2 lbs.
2. the a/c would cycle on and off and not cool. I took it back last week again. They found out an a/c wire had broken and barely making contact. They kept it for 3 days to make sure they got it done right which so far, they have. So heads up!
I have found though, on the drivers side, it's a tight fit for your hand between the driver door and seat.
The 3rd row seat is also sort of tight. It is better for smaller kids than adults.
I was disappointed Mercury does not have a better looking side step like on their previous models.
But it still drives well.
Any comments on design from new oweners?
Have a good one!
Thanks
2 - There is no way on this green earth you got a not even broken in Mountaineer to make 22mpg. IMPOSSIBLE!
So good deals should be had on Explorers as buyers flock to import brands:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2001-05-08-japancars.htm
Thanks,
Cliff
Jimmydelray
They were a $395 option on my 2000 Explorer XLS. I suppose the extra $100 on the '02 accounts for the addition of the bags to the second row; the '00 side air bags were for the front seats only.
Hope this helps. Thanks!
Went to the dealer today and looked at Explorers. They had two V-8 Explorers for sale. Both limited white ones.
As for the air bags my understanding is there are two different kinds. The 02 have the new side curtain bags. The alder Explorers have just "side airbages". What is the difference? Well the 02 cover 75% of the windows on the 1 and 2nd rows of seats. They are also right above the seat belt in the Explorer. The alder Explorers have them in the driver/ passenger seat. Are they as safe? I do not know? Anybody else know?
Josh
Haw do the Good year eagles do in rain.
I have 50,000 miles on my original Good years All Terrain on my 96 Explorer, but I never liked them in the rain. I I looking forward to All Season Tires.. and will take my chances on the few times I go to the beach
Forbes article: Mercury Lives--Up To A Point.
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