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$25,000 Vs 25,500.00 is trivial.
I think Nissan should try to stay within the $25K range.
BTW, I know the average price of a new car is near 24k.
here is my list for November, when my 300M's lease ends:
1. Another Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (loved my last one)
2. Another Chrysler 300M (currently loving my 300M)
3. 2002 GMC Envoy
4. 2002 Olds Bravada
5. 2002 Acura TL-S
6. 2002 Nissan Altima V6
7. 2002 Isuzu Axiom
You are dead wrong about Grand Prix GTP. It is an awesome car, too bad you are so stuck up that you don't allow yourself to learn more about it.
It is not anywhere near being a disaster.
As for that list, the Acura TL wins hands down. Best car of the lot by far. Great engine, super reliability, great re-sale...all around darn good car.
From what I've read Isuzu is to trucks what Hyundai is to cars.
By the way.. if i was going to spend 25k, i would spend 27 and get a base model Acura TL, which is as you know loaded, and will acutally hold it value unlike the Altima!
The current Altima's styling reminds me of some ugly early-80's slantback Buick Century and Olds Cutlass sedans.
I like my big engined American sedans with lots of power under their hoods.
Finally, Acura TL-S and Nissan Altima got some decent power too.
Nice problem you have--you've got to buy a new car shortly! Seems you have some nice choices. A few comments: In my opinion you needn't worry about resale value on the '02 Altima. This new car will be much better than the last, and its resale value must go up correspondingly. Plus it's a bit cheaper to begin with. BTW, I have 2 friends that own Nissan's, and they are very happy w/reliability (one is over 10 years old). As for the Honda's, including the Acura's, if you can get over the very boring looks they are good cars, if a bit noisy. The TL has an extra year of warranty than the 300M, but the 300M has way better styling, better brakes, and much roomier interior and trunk(I've driven them both a good bit). I read somewhere where the average age of a TL owner was in the 50s, and Honda was trying to figure out why so high-duh-open your eyes and look at the car! One last comment--3 of my neighbors are repeat buyers of GM cars and seem to be quite happy with them. I spoke with the one woman the other day and she says reliability is quite good. From what they tell me, reliability has supposedly improved dramatically from the 80's, which is when many of us last owned one. You might check what JD Powers and Associates says. In any event, good luck! My vote goes for the Altima, though, with V-6 and auto!
BTW, the I30 comes with 227 HP and is certainly no slouch either.
As for the A4, for 26k one gets 180 HP (170 officially) and better handling and road manners than any car for that money. It's a different kind of car than a little more expensive TL. The TL is a loafer and a great car, but the A4 is more serious performance, has an interior with character (3 to choose from actually) and most importantly, something the TL doesn't have: stick!
He is from Russia.
My '96 Buick Riviera had 240HP and 280 lbs*ft torque.
My '98 Grand Prix GTP had 240HP and 280 lbs*ft torque.
My '99 Chrysler 300M has 253HP and 255 lbs*ft torque.
I doubt the IS300 can do 0-60mph in under 7 seconds. Last time I checked test data it was somewhere in the 7s.
So what if some magazines say that with a manual tranny an IS300 will take on the 3-series? By the same token, I could dream of a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP with 6 speed manual tranny kicking M3's butt. Currently IS300 is not available with manual transmission. Period.
I30 with 227HP is a slouch, sorry.
M
BTW, the idea of a Pontiac even competing with an M3 is very funny. Uproariously so. Even if a GTP could match the 60 time, there's a level of handling, style, craftsmanship, heritage, exclusivity and value in an M3 that no Pontiac built in 2001 can match.
But then again it's not like people cross-shop a Pontiac and a BMW. The two appeal to two very different demographics. Bimmers are cross-shopped against A4s, IS300's, C-class Mercedes, 40 Volvos, the upcoming X-Type, marginally Acura TL's. No American cars are mentioned in the same breath as those makes. For good reason.
Anyway, Ill take a WRX for 0-60 and around $25k thank you very much. People are getting 5.4 0-60's and 14.3 1/4 miles STOCK! :P
Im sure the new Altima will come adequatly close to that, with the trade off coming in the interior size and luxury departments. And compaired to the GP and those other sedans ruski mentions, its a lightweight! (IE more HP/torque per lbs.)
I thought this was limited to domestics only, with most foreign cars you had to take what they had in stock.
yes you can order one from the factory, but unless you want something really unusual, it is easier for your dealer to trade with another dealer that has one, the only thing you can't do is order a vehicle in a way that nissan doesn't make it, or your own special color or something. Ordering has also gotten better with Nissan, the Nissans built in NA only take 30 days, the ones coming from japan, 45-60 days.
lngtonge18 - do you know how heavy 96 Buick Riviera was? And it still did 0-60 in 7.1 seconds. The A4 in either auto or manual form still can't touch it. So much for less weight.
I mean I would love to have an A4 with its small weight and 240 HP or so. But that one is called S4 and is very expensive.
As for my 300M, yes it is not that quick from 0mph, although it has gotten much peppier with age. But when it starts pulling at 40mph, it is VERY impressive.
There is an all-new Lexus ES330 coming out this fall and the Acura TL-S with 260 HP is already here, so it's not as if the 260HP I-35 isn't going to have strong competetion.
There is no reason to deal with it if you don't want to.
Some people use Carsdirect.com to price cars, then go to a dealer to see if they can haggle out a better deal. However, you can turn that around and go to the dealers first to look at cars, kick tires and do test drives, then go buy the car at Carsdirect if you don't want to deal with marathon negotiation sessions in some tiny sales manager's office.
and I'm not buy another car as my driveway is stocked up for hopefully the next 5 yrs..
This is not 1980 when there were quotas on foreign imports preventing the dealers from keeping a reasonable supply on hand to meet the demand.
Speaking of ordering, it depends on the specific car really... Some cars are hard to get (like the WRX) or hard to get with exactly what you want (BMW 3-series) and dealers are always more willing to negotiate on ordering comparied to buying off the lot... They dont get a chance to stick that extra mark-up sticker on the windshield :P
ruski: i hope u understand that its not so much about power but the power to weight ratio...but u probably knew that, just checkin ; )
This is what I meant to say when I compared Riviera's 7.1 seconds versus A4's 7.3 seconds:
Even with the stick, the A4 is slower than a much heavier Riviera that only comes (came) with an auto tranny. Please don't make it sound like more HP is meaningless.
Yes, my engine is bigger than yours and it makes me very happy.
Guess it's just me but when you supercharge a high displacement motor you'd expect it would offer superior HP to lower displacement engines that are NA. Gosh those GM engineers are pretty special.
BTW, somebody is so hot on the GTP and I saw in MT that it only pulled 61 MPH through the slalom. Sad.
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L8_Apex
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