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What city in OH is dealing on Odysseys?
Their MSRP beat the heck out of a few other local dealerships that had Odysseys "in stock at MSRP". Of course, from them you have to buy $1,500 in useless accessories at a huge mark-up to get the car.
After spending a lot of time shopping around and on this site, I find the overall sales process confusing, and don't understand why the dealerships aren't interested in even trying to set up customers for repeat business. It seems that dealerships simply hold buyers in contempt, since we are "lucky" to be able to get a car from them. They are wrangling every last nickel in a manner that seems ridiculous considering how much money they make on the car. I simply cannot believe that an extra $200 is worth losing a customer for the next car purchase.
We had wanted to trade-in our '90 Accord with 100k miles ($2.7k bluebook). We figured anything around $2k would make up for the hassle of selling the car ourselves. One dealer offered $200. Another offered $800.
One dealership offered "expedited delivery" on an Odyssey since one of their customers had just cancelled, and I could get that car in two weeks. Two weeks after I placed the order, I was told that a "mistake" was made, and if I wanted the car I would need to wait until February!
The actual sales process I had to deal with was a bit more benign, although doing a little homework sure helps. Since we were paying MSRP, the sales manager offered the accessories (mud flaps, cassette, cargo liner and wheel locks) at dealer cost. A quick check to Handa found the exact same items at $150 below "dealer cost". They met the price, muttering something about the price that the sales department pays the parts department for the items. (The manager even said that the money was "chump change" considering the overall cost of the car. Since they wanted me to pay the extra money, I guess that I'm supposed to be the chump.)
I also loved the way that Honda Care warranty is sold. The dealership quoted $1,400 for the 7/100/$0 to my wife when she came in to sign the paperwork. When I called to question the price, the salesperson dropped the price to $1,100 on the spot. I guess that warranties are not accessories from the "dealer cost" promise perspective. It must be another one of those interdepartmental price wars or something!
We also got an entertaining story about how you can't buy the warranty after leaving the lot, which changed to you can buy it for a year, but have to pay extra, etc... (Ultimately, I went in with an $875 quote from another dealership, thanks to this site, but they would not go below $1,043. They stated that they would be losing money to sell it at $875.)
-juice
Leather, ABS, sunroof, fog lights std, 60/60 warranty (10/100 drivetrain).
<$23K out the door and in my driveway.
Honda can... sorry, this is a family show... did me a HUGE favor. If you're waiting for a Honda - go drive this vehicle!
* no folding seat
* a little small, little cargo w/3rd seat in place
* driver's lumbar support on EX is very uncomfy
Really, the last item was a deal killer for me. I actually much prefer the seats in the LX, but it does not come with captain's chairs.
-juice
* fog lights
* alpine stereo cd/cassette
Don't take that the wrong way - I can definitely see that if the seat isn't comfortable, that's a problem. On the other hand, it might be fixable for a small fraction of the $6K not being spent, but that's a potential hassle waiting to happen. I zeroed out the lumbar support which fixed it, but I didn't really notice it until driving for an hour.
Fog lights, sunroof and gear shift configuration were the small points for me, besides saving $5K+.
The driving feel in the Kia is less cavernous than the Honda, Dodge and Ford vans, which I like.
I could afford to give up the magic seat. All of the seats adjust fore and aft which adds some space flexibility. I think that folding, removing and stowing the middle seats in the rear might be able to provide similar just-in-time cargo flexibility while still providing seating for 5. I know - not the same but worthy of consideration.
Bottom line is that there will be small things with every vehicle and every person. Each person then calculates a value. When I ordered my H/EX, the Sedona didn't really exist. In the end, I got more of the features I wanted for less money, which came on top of 2.9 financing. I also like having 5,000 other small things to count after all is said and done.
Again, opinions will vary - just my perspective. I don't see any reason to get in a side-by-side comparison [non-permissible content removed]-for-tat, if this post inadvertently comes across that way please excuse.
For prospective buyers, the most impressive fact is that Kia picked up on alot of cues from previous generations of minivans and executed on implementing many of those details right out of the gate.
Moonroof is a biggie. You can't get one on the Odyssey, which I think is a bummer. There's always the aftermarket, but if I have to pay more for a moonroof and an extended warranty, I'm not sure I can afford it.
Actually, some people really prefer the 3 people in the 2nd row seat flexibility, such as my buddy, who has 3 kids. He'll have to put one of them in the rear seat, I guess. For me, the Odyssey's seating configuration would work better, since we're expecting our 2nd (and that'll be it for us).
So, true, Kia can learn a few magic tricks from Honda, like the seat and all the room, but Honda could learn from Kia, too. Two big pluses would be a factory moonroof option and a longer warranty.
Competition improves the breed.
-juice
Clearly, the wait was very long, so it's not for everyone. But if you don't have an emergency need for a new vehicle and can cope with seriously delayed gratification, UBS is an incredible deal. So far as I know, UBS operates only here in the Washington, D.C. area and has only one Honda dealer they work with. It's Brown's Honda in Arlington, VA, but you can't go there directly. You have to work through UBS or else Brown's will treat you like any other customer and charge MSRP, but your wait will be much shorter. (I know this, because a friend bought through them and paid MSRP with a two or three week wait.)
If you are in the Washington, D.C. area, especially if you work in a government office, you may be able to pick up a UBS brochure in your credit union or employee association. Their phone number is 301-657-1920. You don't have to pay them any money and there is no deposit required to get a purchase certificate and get on the waiting list. We didn't pay a cent until the day we went in to get our Odyssey.
As far as the vehicle itself goes, we love it. The workmanship is top notch, and the Odyssey is a pleasure to drive. We're glad we finally got it.
If this is true, anyone know of a name of a Honda dealer that will sell 100k/7 yr extended warranty at a good price. I am considering buying the 02 Ody EX and to have all of my homework done when I approach the dealer.
Thanks!
Thanks.
-juice
Thanks
Next month will be 2500 Alabama and 12000 Canada--so getting up there. Question is how will new Pilot fit in all of this.
2000 production and 2001 production are nearly identical at aroun 149,000 Odyssey per year. 40,000 MDX now per year. It will be interesting to see how many hot new Pilots are made. 70,000 Pilot SUV forecast, 60,000 MDX and 200,000 Odyssey is my guess. So I do see discounts creeping in over the next half year. $500 at first, $1000 next and then stabalized at around $1200 off MSRP.
Man I would like to be a Honda dealer with so many MSRP cars out there. They should give loaners with those margins. I have seen no perks with increased profitability in my area. I resent that. At least Lexus treats you well for paying a premium.
INKY
-juice
The dealer is trying to tell me that there are few dealers willing to sell the warranty after the sale of the van. What dealership did you ultimately buy the extended warranty at?
Why did you have to wait 15 months to get the Odyssey through UBS? I have seen the UBS flyers at my credit union and was curious as to the deals you could get through them.
To last post--most dealers exclude the odyssey from UBS. similarly, in costco's auto program the odessey is excluded.
1 G8 ZH859 X Y N 190510
1 Country in which vehicle was built, see below
G8 Code for the manufacturer
ZH859 Codes for brand, body style, engine size and type
X Security code used to verify VIN by police
Y Model year, see below
N Code for assembly plant
190510 Serial number, numbering practices determined by manufacturer
1, 4, 5 - USA
2 - Canada
3- Mexico, Puerto Rico, Costa Rica
6 - Australia
9 - Brazil
J - Japan
K - South Korea
L - Taiwan
S - United Kingdom
V - France, Yugoslavia
W - Germany
Y - Sweden
Z - Italy A - 1980
B - 1981
C - 1982
D - 1983
E - 1984
F - 1985
G - 1986
H - 1987
J - 1988
K - 1989
L - 1990
M - 1991 N - 1992
P - 1993
R - 1994
S - 1995
T - 1996
V - 1997
W - 1998
X - 1999
Y - 2000
1 - 2001
2 - 2002
I just got my EX (12/27/01) after a three week wait. I put down a deposit over the phone and got the VIN at the same time. I get the feeling that the "plain old" EX doesn't have much of a wait. The EX-L, on the other hand, looks to have a 2 - 3 month wait list.
I paid MSRP, of course. With the arrival of child #3 I don't have the time that odymanout has : )!
area and the best I can get is $1,250 for 7/100,000 no deductible. That
is for the hondacare. I got a $850 with a $50 deductible with one of the
non honda-care.
I was considering buying a 2002 with a warranty and paying less than I will
have to just buying the silly warranty. Someone said you had until 25,000 before
they jacked the prices up.......now I am reading 12,000 oops.
Someone in ATL got 500 below MSRP. Where did you get that quote from? I
am getting 200 about TMV.
bkmom
INKY
-juice
-dehua
When supply increases, the value of the used Odysseys may drop...slightly.
The supply of used Odysseys has probably increased because the 2002 is a nice improvement over the 99-01 and current owners of pre-2002 want the nicer 2002.
carleton1 suggests that used Odysseys are becoming more common because of 02 features but I have a hard time believing that families with young children will sell 1 or 2 year old Odysseys for which they paid premiums so they can buy the latest. I think layoffs are a more logical explaniation of the increase in used Odysseys.
hoping to get someone at corporate to lean on a local dealer to stop playing games & give me a straight deal. i'm in the bay area.
thanx
Pacific Honda did rip me off for the extended warranty, though. The guy flat out lied. (FYI--it does NOT cost more for the warranty if you have the DVD system). I got my money back, though, and got the warranty from Tracy at Alton Blakely Honda in KY.
#1 - If I own an EX-L with RES, does the HondaCare warranty cover the RES?
#2 - If I own an EX-L with Navi, does the HondaCare warranty cover the Navi?
Better yet, has anybody needed warranty work on these yet?
TIA-
Wholigan
2004 Honda Accord EX-L Graphite Pearl
2007 Honda Civic EX - Atomic Blue
2013 Honda Civic LX - Crimson Pearl
while not thrilled to pay list, i think one also has to look at features. looked at sienna--nice van, but honda bigger and with two kids need the room. difference of toyota at about $400 over invoice and Honda at list was less than $1000. For that price bigger van, traction control, and a variety of other odds and ends that sienna did not come with. One could argue that honda is "underpriced" If Honda increased the prices by another few thousand, i am sure that they would not sell at list. In the end, it is all relative.
-juice
-juice
Just some things to think about. Good luck and God bless.