Hey i sell hondas, I dont know what your problem is, but your calling me a liar... I DID get my tranny replaced beccause of problems, not because I THOUGHT there was something wrong. Who knows, maybe someone put different Tranny fluid than HONDA, but all I can say is that the tranny's suck. My new one is really smooth, but it's still crappy and everytime I drive, I feel like crap because of MY CAR!!!!
rbruehl & hondaaccordguy - While I appreciate you having had a bad tranny in your Accord, the VAST majority of Accord owners are *NOT* having a problem. Any tranny is a mechanical man-made device, and yes, as such, some will have failures. That goes from the top manufacturers like MB, BMW, Lexus, and Honda to the bottom tier such as Kia or Daewoo. It's a given! You had bad luck.....Life's too short, whether you choose to get on with your life or sit there and dwell on it is up to you.
As for the readers on these boards who think that all they see posted are problems - think about it! When do 99% of the people on any subject, be it cars, electronics, computers, etc., come out of the woodwork and seek out a site/forum/newgroup for info....when they have a problem! If all the Accord owners who have never had a tranny problem where to post on this site rbruehl & hondaaccordguy's tranny problem would be a drop in the ocean. So please, take this "infamous" problem with a grain of salt: people tend to only speak of when there is a problem, thousands of others without one are never heard, unless you look at the total sales of Hondas as a positive indicator....I know I do!
Frank W. 02 Accord EXV6 00 Odyssey EX ......and 3 other trouble-free Hondas now long gone.
While I appreciate your vendetta against Honda, Don't you think its about time for you to stop knocking the transmission. As you can see there are many of us that are satisfied and personally I have a 2000 V6 and if it would have happened to me a second time under warranty I would have called Honda customer service explained the situation and asked them to set up the installation with the best dealer experienced in installing the transmissions. It worked for me in GM's and Triumphs. I would have never given up, but, that was your perogative you had the money to change. Please GIVE IT A REST, I wish you luck with your Toyota.... A happy Accord and Crv owner.
Were well stated. Again, the VAST MAJORITY of Honda owners will never have a minute of trouble.
hondaaccordguy...I'll add your name to the short list of posters I'll no longer converse with. I would suggest though that you sell your Honda and buy something different if you feel as bad as you say you do everytime you drive it.
Hopefully, it's replacement will never cause you a problem.
rbruehl...yeah, it is getting a bit old. Toyota builds great cars and hopefully it'll never act up in any way for you too.
No car will ever please everybody all of the time.
Transmission failure does happen and I don't know where you are getting your percentages from fandsw. It is my understanding that Honda does not share parts failures with any agency. Consumers provide failures to the NHSTA and Honda issues TSB's or Recalls.
The ironic thing is that not one person has brought up is that Honda purchases transmissions from outside sources. They do not manufacture their own transmissions for example such as Toyota. Out-sourcing of parts is probably the main problem regarding V-6 transmission failures. Honda has done a poor job in policing their suppliers.
This attitude of denial seems to be the standard around this forum. When someone posts a legitimate problem such as hondaaccordguy or rbruehl, the usual "shills" go on the attack and dispute claims and provide bogus information. Gentlemen, lets discuss facts and not personal feelings.
In conclusion, I thought this forum was to discuss quality assurance issues regarding Honda Accords? It is starting to sound like "spin mongers" are trying to dispute any posts that bring up problems!
paulo3 I don't deny that honda trannys fail and maybe these forums will get honda to increase the quality controls on the parts used.Also, I see an awful lot of honda owners that seem to be happy most of them purchased a honda because they get good service and they don't know much about maintenance they just follow recommendations and car magazines if the problems were really that drastic would Honda sell as many as they do? I know you follow these message boards but I guess you don't agree with me about this one poor guy that can't let it go. He is lurking just waiting for any chance he can get to knock Honda I know he had problems, he could have remedied the situation instead he decided to opt for another make which is okay with me. I follow these boards to glean good or bad info but I get fed up with the same story day after day. For your information I quit my job as a shill in 1953 at a carnival in Norfolk, Virginia
paulo3 - Apparently you have not read my post: no where did I quote a percentage, nor did I dispute in any way shape of form that these guys had tranny problems. My issue is with a few posters who CONTINUALLY harp on a negative experience they had and are distorting the true picture concerning Honda's car quality.
Outsourcing of parts - so? Fact: EVERY car manufacturer outsources parts. Is quality control an issue that Honda worries about? Of course it is, you don't continously sell 2 of the top sellers in the US (Accord and Civic) for all those years as well as other vehicles that have month long waiting lists (Odyssey, CRV, S2000) without producing a quality car. Continual high new car sales as well as resale values are the number one indicator of a quality product, and most other auto manufacturers wish they had Honda's numbers.
Look, I (and most other readers of this forum) have NO problem with anyone posting about Honda quality issue. Am I in denial? No, I will have a problem or two with my Honda just as anyone else will, and will ask for advice just as anyone else will. It's a car, it's man-made device, things will go wrong. However, there are a couple of guys out there who have had a bad experience and made this a vendetta, i.e. they are the ones letting "personal feelings" cloud their judgments.
Someone asked about the Pilot and then said something about Honda's infamous transmissions. My only comment was why would someone who feels that way even consider a Honda? Still waiting for an answer.
"declining Honda quality trend".....have any facts to substantiate your claims? Or is this just rhetoric from a miffed GM buyer who saw his investment in a new midsize plummet 50% the second he drove it off the lot?
Funny, how a car with a "declining Honda quality trend" like the Accord at the end of it's product cycle can still gain 10000 in new sales compared to the previous year to take over the number 1 car spot. I'm sure that Chevrolet would love to have that number 1 spot for the Impala, but apparently the buyers aren't going there for a reason......
Well stated regarding the out sourcing of Honda transmissions. I have to admit, I did not know this fact. I thought Honda designed their own transmissions and produced them in around 70% of its vehicles.
I seem to remember in a post by isellhondas that he stated there was a supplier problem in the early V-6 transmissions with a supplier. Unfortunately, according to the NHSTA that problem has persisted in all model years since 1998.
Lay off rbruehl, the poor guy had two transmissions replaced and you guys call him a lirker. I would be pissed off also!
I suggest everyone take a trip over to the NHSTA board and read about the quality assurance issues facing Honda Accords. It is a problem that needs Honda's undivided attention.
I've got a 01 Accord EX V6 and have not had the tranny problem. I can tell you that a year ago when I got the car and read the posts on this board I was very concerned. It has been a year and 6,000 miles the transmission has not failed. I state this as significant since I have had to drive the car hard on occasion. By hard this means heavy footed acceleration and deceleration. Perhaps I have been lucky so far. Will keep all posted on future events.
First time posting but I have been monitoring this forum for over two years. I have to admit that I am concerned that my 1998 LX V6 Sedan may develop transmission problems in the future. I have had my share of "small" problems (rattle in the dash - fuse box was loose - and power driver's seat that would not work on occassion - a new power seat unit solved the problem) that were significant enough to pursue repeated trips to the dealer. However in sum, I have to admit that I am impressed with the build quality of my Honda. While one should not believe everything written, the latest Consumer Reports (April '02 Car Issue) shows current generation Accord transmissions ('98 through '01) have the highest reliability rating - less than 2% of owners experience a problem significant enough to warrant repair. I mention this not to discount the awful experience of others but to offer another perspective to those contemplating the purchase of a current generation Accord. I will be the first to admit that a transmission failure, or engine sludging, would change my perception immediately and not for the better. Nevertheless, my Honda has done well for me so far.
"While I appreciate your vendetta against Honda, Don't you think its about time for you to stop knocking the transmission. "
I never really understood this attitude. If he wants to talk about his defective transmission, let him. After all, this forum is for complaints ONLY. You are also at liberty to repeat how wonderful your Honda is as many times as you wish. Why does it bother you if someone repeats his dissatisfaction with Honda? Why the gag order?
Never owned a foreign car until I bought a 2000 Accord SE. I wanted a coupe but got the sedan because I figured it would be easier to sell if I didn't like it (and I really expected to not to like it) and I knew the Honda Accord's had a good resale value. Well, it has been 30,000 miles and not the first trip back to the dealer for anything. I was so impressed that I bought my wife a 2002 CRV in November and she loves it also. However, she did have to have an oxygen sensor replaced.
The Accord is economical, much roomier than I expected, and has plenty of power for a 4 banger. Hell, I guess the thing may last longer than me. The original Michelins still have 7/32 of tread and the brake pads look great. No clunks or transmission problems. Interior is tight. If these Accords have gone downhill in quality it is a damn shame I did not buy one years ago.
I had new car fever a few months ago but could not justify the price of anything over my Accord. Call me a convert.
I stay away from this board for awhile and all the bickering starts again. The trolls just won't stay away, you know who you are. You go away for awhile, but you're always lurking and looking for the right time to start up again.
Sorry to read about the one person who replaced 2 trannys. You got a lemon. I'd call the regional office and threaten the lemon law if you have problems again.
My own experiences: 99 CRV 54K miles, nothing but maint. and 1 set of front brake pads. 01 Accord LX 4 cyl 7K miles, no problems.
>>If he wants to talk about his defective transmission, let him. After all, this forum is for complaints ONLY. You are also at liberty to repeat how wonderful your Honda is as many times as you wish. <<
You are right, of course. But it seems redundant for those of us who have good Hondas to keep posting about our lack of problems and yet read the same complaints over and over. And by the same complaints, I don't mean the same problem by more and more people, I mean the SAME complaints by the SAME people, ad nauseum.
But her goes, again: I have a good Accord with a good transmission, good brakes and I am happy with it. Just doesn't generate the interest that complaining does, does it?
I'm new here and really need your help. I bought this Accord Ex V6 4-wks ago and noticed some click-click noise when I move forward. There's nothing when I push accelerator on P or R driver. I sent it back to Honda dealer and they've been checking for 2 days but still couldn't find where the problem is. They said it might be a transmission problem. If it is, they will change a new trans for me which I really don't feel comfortable with. Did anyone have the same problem before or can you give me some suggestions? Can I replace another car if the trans is bad? Thanks a lot.
hey dude, i'd say you KEEP your transmission for a couple thousand more miles to see if the sounds get any worse, cuz your GONNA get a REFURBISHED transmission. not a NEW ONE. I recently got my transmission replaced, and also, if you do replace your transmission at some time, and if you do it through warranty, make sure the worker KNOWS what he's doing because they get paid on an hourly wage and warranty = free = no $$$ for the workers. They're gonna do a half [non-permissible content removed] job or get a new guy to install it...
Help guys, another problem with my car... Well, i noticed my car overheated, so i took it in to the shop and the guy said, "NO COOLANT IN RADIATOR." I'm sure there's a leak, but we couldn't find one. I also notice that when i turn the air on, or the a/c, it smells like coolant. even if i have the vents open, it smells like coolant. BUT, there is no coolant on the floor in the morning AND it doens't smell like coolant when i pop the hood. Any suggestions? i'm taking it back to honda dealership on tuesday. thanks for any help!
You guys are killing me. As a former shop foreman at several GM dealerships I'm versed in warranty policies. What I was trying to determine was whether the original author of the quoted post had been dropped on his head at birth.
I am new here and hope someone can help me. I have noticed an alarming trend on the majority of 1994, 1995 and 1996 Accords in my area of the country that is heavily salted during the winter months on all the highways. Noticed numerous Accords with surface rust on the seam above the rear tires. Today, I went out to the garage and pulled the car out and noticed on the rear driver's side, the seam is also starting to rust.
Now, I am very careful with my car and apply 6 coats of Zaino per calendar year. My car is hand washed and I still developed the problem. I always make sure they spray the under carriage of my car during each wash.
My question is, "does Honda at the factory galvanize their cars before painting? It sounds like a silly question but it seems that once Accords for those model years go over 5 years, the rust starts in the area's I mentioned.
Now, I will have to get the area fixed/painted and have them do a thorough inspection of both paneled area.
Hey man, thats a pretty harsh statement your making there. What I meant to say was that yes, the dealership is reinbursted by honda, BUT for the actual work being done *NOT PARTS*, they need to charge the customer, meaning its not free. I got hooked up and *I PAYED THE 4 THE WORK BEING DONE* on my own free will. Plus, my warranty LOOOOONG expired... anyways, i payed a total of $300. = )
I'm not sure what you mean. When any auto dealer does warranty work, the manufacturer reimburses them the labour time allowance and parts cost for the repair. Labour times are set by the factory after performing time studies for every service/repair operation. Although warranty time allowances are sometimes unrealistically low, the dealer (and the tech performing the repair) does get paid.
In any event, when a transaxle fails the replacement is usually a factory remanufactured unit with all the latest updates. Several posters in various forums here have had very low mileage transaxle failures. It's not limited to a single manufacturer either. Two that I've had dialogue with include a Nissan Sentra and a Malibu. Both are satisfied with the results. So, good luck with yours and happy motoring.
The seam between the plastic and metal body parts on the rear wheels is a problem. WHen I bought my 97, had a really good sales guy who said-after driving on salty roads-wash out this seam asap. See lots of earlier honda's with rust in this spot. If you have rust-you will have to pull off the plastic piece-grind off the loose rust, kill the remaining rust, seal it with a paint designed for that and try to repaint it as best as possible. The commercial paint stores have those co2 painters that work pretty well.
It is really expensive to have a "Pro" do the work.
That seam is a problem especially in the rust belt states. paulcudlip has a valid question regarding the galvanization process at the Honda plant in Ohio. This was a critical design error by Honda designers.
Which brings up the new 2003 Honda Accord design by Honda's engineers--will it have the same reliability as the first year re designed Honda Civic? The reason I bring this up is that the Honda Civic prior to the redesign had outstanding reliability. The April 2002 Consumer Reports Auto issue now ranks it as only "average" reliability since the redesign. This is quite a drop! Is Honda making short cuts in the manufacturing process?
I keep thinking about the out-sourcing by Honda for starters, axles, transmissions etc. Is Honda keeping on top of their suppliers? It doesn't seem so. Comments please!
Honda's Accord has been made in Ohio for over 20 years now. Some Japanese parts some not. The only thing I find fiercely reliable about them is demo graphics. Usually a computer type person who doesn't know a spark plug from a dip stick. I don't know any mechanics who drive them, not that they are a bad car, But pretty good and way over priced. Also a very boring car to match its owner (no disrespect intended) Yes you will find the roads loaded with these Honda people. gazing into space trying to solve the theory of relativity. I wouldn't want to burst their bubble and tell them it was done 60 years ago. I've delivered these cars many years ago never could understand the fuss. The mechanics were always laughing at it. I guess it's all in what you believe. I read that article in the paper...."Car-Talk seems like an awful lot of questions about honda, Toyota also. Could it be some sort of brain washing or perhaps just a light rinse.... Mystery in Zone 69 OHIO
I am pretty sure the Accords are dipped only once when galvanized on the assembly line. In addition, I have also witnessed the rust problems on 5th generation Accords above the rear wheels at the seam.
Also received the Consumer Reports April Annual Auto issue and I noticed the same thing about the new Honda Civic! Average reliability from outstanding reliability is a nose dive in my estimation.
Lugwrench has a good point regarding the 2003 Accord. Ironically, maybe they will also drop the wishbone suspension on the 2003 Accord like they did on the new Civic. Cost cutting measures resulting in a reliability nose dive?
Hope Honda doesn't cheapen up the new Accord to much. That out sourcing of Honda suppliers seems to be the problem.
I have a '98 Accord Coupe LX V-6 with 80K miles. I'm having bad luck with it -- so far the automatic transmission, alternator, tensioner belt, fuel sending unit, catalytic converter, EGR valve and other EGR system components have failed and have been replaced. I bought it new, it hasn't been in an accident,it has been regularly maintained, and over the past year honda has subsidized about $6,000 of the repairs to keep it running. And it doesn't meet the criteria for the lemon law in the state that I live in.
That said, I have to hold onto it for awhile longer before I can dump it. Since all of the warranties have expired on it, are there any other problem areas I should be aware of in V-6 Accords? If so, is there anything besides regular maintenance I can do to address those problem areas before they become major (i. e. expensive) repair problems?
Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
I have been telling all my friends that if they opt to buy a Honda Accord V-6 new, they should buy the extended warranty no questions asked! This is mainly because of the power train warranty that ends on all Accords at 36K. It seems that most of the transmission failures occur right away or just after 36K. Most of Honda's competitors all have a 5 year 60K power train warranty.
Honda's parts distributors look like they do not have a proven track record. I don't care what anyone says, HONDA HAS A TRANSMISSION PROBLEM IN V-6'S IN THE 6TH GENERATION ACCORDS!
Honda America needs to address these problems right away or the new 2003 Accord will have average reliability like the re designed 2002 Civic.
With all the problems bullit71 with your Accord, I bet you can't wait to get rid of your it. Unfortunately, you are probably still paying on the car I assume? This makes it even more difficult to dump it. My advice is just hang in there until it is the right time for you to unload your problem.
If Honda subsidized $6000 of the repairs what was the total repair bill? Maybe I am clueless when it comes to monies involved but I wouldn't have thought all of those repairs would even total $6000.
80000 miles on a four year old car is well above average. That's not to say that is the reason for your troubles. But you drive a car that many miles and things will happen.
Funny, someone just screamed to the world that Honda has a transmission problem. Of the roughly 1.6 million Accords sold in the last four years, what is the % of V6 models with transmission problems? Based on posts here quite high, but I suspect it is really quite low.
I subscribe to CR and people seem to be making so much of the Civics average reliability. I guess the ~350000 people buying them every year are just stupid. For January, the Accord was second and the Civic was third in total sedan sales behind the Camry.
No one knows the percentages of transmission failure on V-6 Accords since Honda does not share that information with anyone. The consumer is the only voice of complaint which stands to reason.
The average reliability of the new Civic says something. The new model is not as reliable as previous years which is alarming. It is the consumers that are lodging the complaints.
Honda cheapened up the new Civic by dropping the wishbone suspension to save money at the consumers expense. A lot of corners were cut on the new Civic to save money. Now Honda is suffering the consequences of a drop in reliability.
The 2003 Accord could follow the same Honda methods of cutting costs. Let's hope not!
I drive an '01 EX coupe, but will likely be trading up to an '03 Accord as soon as they become available.
A lot has been said about the lower reliability rating that Consumer Reports has given the new Civic. But how do they define "reliability"? My Civic has suffered only from defective bushings in the driver's seat, and I don't consider this as impacting the "reliability" of my car, meaning the defective seat isn't going to keep me from getting to work in the morning 9it merely rocks back and forth a bit, which is annoying but not alarming). Does CR factor defects such as these into their "reliability" rating? If so, I think it's not a true indication of a car's mechanical integrity in the long-run - which is really what Honda is known for.
The Civics reliability is still average it isn't below average. The sky is not falling. You are entitled to your opinion just as I am mine. To say Honda "cheapaned" the Civic by going to McPherson struts tells me you really aren't well versed as to why it was done and what the result is, but again like I said you are entitled to your opinion. But you know the best way to express how you feel, don't buy a Honda Civic, or Accord (since you assume it will also be "cheapened").
In regards to the V6 transmissions, it has been debated ad nauseum. The Internet brings out people who have troubles. You aren't going to find too many people coming here to say "My Accord V6 runs just fine and has no transmission problems", but you are going to get people talking about their problems. Again, I have no doubts these people have problems, Honda cars will have plenty of problems. It needs to be put in to perspective. Unfortunately people come here to scream about problems, "cheapened" designs, etc. with not a lot of hard evidence. TSBs are well and good, but they aren't the end all be all.
~350K purchasers of Civics last year must have felt confident about the vehicle to buy it. If it was the "lemon" people are assuming it is because of CR's "average raliability" rating wouldn't there be something happening to sales, or something else to show people don't feel this vehicle is meeting expectations? I would thinks so, but I don't see it happening.
I mentioned this on one of the SUV topics. IMO Honda and Toyota (and a few others) are held to higher standards because of their past reputation. When the average person buys one of these makes they expect a bullet proof vehicle. When they have a problem they think this car was supposed to be reliable why am I having a problem. And then things just flow downhill from there. Many people agreed with that theory, but many did not.
Say what you will about quality but I'll take my chances with a Honda, a Toyota, a Subaru, a Nissan. Yep I may have problems but I think they are still light years ahead of many others.
Don't tell me isellhondas that McPhearson struts are superior to a double wishbone suspension? Honda saved itself a lot of money by dumping the wishbone suspension and going with the McPhearson struts. The double wishbone suspension was a Honda trademark and it was dumped to save costs on the bottom line. Could it be that's where all those annoying squeaks are coming from?
Honda better not dump the double wishbone suspension on the new 2003 Accord. If they do, it will once again be a cost cutting measure.
I am starting to agree with others that Honda is trying to save money by out-sourcing parts for their Accords and Civics. This has to effect the reliability of a stellar performer such as the Civic or Accord.
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And I have to ask, when someone makes a statement like "the infamous transmission", why would they even consider a Honda if they feel that way?
Ask any transmission rebuilder which transmissions REALLY cause trouble!
As for the readers on these boards who think that all they see posted are problems - think about it! When do 99% of the people on any subject, be it cars, electronics, computers, etc., come out of the woodwork and seek out a site/forum/newgroup for info....when they have a problem! If all the Accord owners who have never had a tranny problem where to post on this site rbruehl & hondaaccordguy's tranny problem would be a drop in the ocean. So please, take this "infamous" problem with a grain of salt: people tend to only speak of when there is a problem, thousands of others without one are never heard, unless you look at the total sales of Hondas as a positive indicator....I know I do!
Frank W.
02 Accord EXV6
00 Odyssey EX
......and 3 other trouble-free Hondas now long gone.
hondaaccordguy...I'll add your name to the short list of posters I'll no longer converse with. I would suggest though that you sell your Honda and buy something different if you feel as bad as you say you do everytime you drive it.
Hopefully, it's replacement will never cause you a problem.
rbruehl...yeah, it is getting a bit old. Toyota builds great cars and hopefully it'll never act up in any way for you too.
No car will ever please everybody all of the time.
The ironic thing is that not one person has brought up is that Honda purchases transmissions from outside sources. They do not manufacture their own transmissions for example such as Toyota. Out-sourcing of parts is probably the main problem regarding V-6 transmission failures. Honda has done a poor job in policing their suppliers.
This attitude of denial seems to be the standard around this forum. When someone posts a legitimate problem such as hondaaccordguy or rbruehl, the usual "shills" go on the attack and dispute claims and provide bogus information. Gentlemen, lets discuss facts and not personal feelings.
In conclusion, I thought this forum was to discuss quality assurance issues regarding Honda Accords? It is starting to sound like "spin mongers" are trying to dispute any posts that bring up problems!
Outsourcing of parts - so? Fact: EVERY car manufacturer outsources parts. Is quality control an issue that Honda worries about? Of course it is, you don't continously sell 2 of the top sellers in the US (Accord and Civic) for all those years as well as other vehicles that have month long waiting lists (Odyssey, CRV, S2000) without producing a quality car. Continual high new car sales as well as resale values are the number one indicator of a quality product, and most other auto manufacturers wish they had Honda's numbers.
Look, I (and most other readers of this forum) have NO problem with anyone posting about Honda quality issue. Am I in denial? No, I will have a problem or two with my Honda just as anyone else will, and will ask for advice just as anyone else will. It's a car, it's man-made device, things will go wrong. However, there are a couple of guys out there who have had a bad experience and made this a vendetta, i.e. they are the ones letting "personal feelings" cloud their judgments.
LOL Yeah right!
And you are Captain America!! LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL!!!
Or rather continually post the truth about the declining Honda quality trend of the past few years?
Funny, how a car with a "declining Honda quality trend" like the Accord at the end of it's product cycle can still gain 10000 in new sales compared to the previous year to take over the number 1 car spot. I'm sure that Chevrolet would love to have that number 1 spot for the Impala, but apparently the buyers aren't going there for a reason......
I seem to remember in a post by isellhondas that he stated there was a supplier problem in the early V-6 transmissions with a supplier. Unfortunately, according to the NHSTA that problem has persisted in all model years since 1998.
Lay off rbruehl, the poor guy had two transmissions replaced and you guys call him a lirker. I would be pissed off also!
I suggest everyone take a trip over to the NHSTA board and read about the quality assurance issues facing Honda Accords. It is a problem that needs Honda's undivided attention.
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I never really understood this attitude. If he wants to talk about his defective transmission, let him. After all, this forum is for complaints ONLY. You are also at liberty to repeat how wonderful your Honda is as many times as you wish. Why does it bother you if someone repeats his dissatisfaction with Honda? Why the gag order?
The Accord is economical, much roomier than I expected, and has plenty of power for a 4 banger. Hell, I guess the thing may last longer than me. The original Michelins still have 7/32 of tread and the brake pads look great. No clunks or transmission problems. Interior is tight. If these Accords have gone downhill in quality it is a damn shame I did not buy one years ago.
I had new car fever a few months ago but could not justify the price of anything over my Accord. Call me a convert.
Sorry to read about the one person who replaced 2 trannys. You got a lemon. I'd call the regional office and threaten the lemon law if you have problems again.
My own experiences: 99 CRV 54K miles, nothing but maint. and 1 set of front brake pads. 01 Accord LX 4 cyl 7K miles, no problems.
You are right, of course. But it seems redundant for those of us who have good Hondas to keep posting about our lack of problems and yet read the same complaints over and over. And by the same complaints, I don't mean the same problem by more and more people, I mean the SAME complaints by the SAME people, ad nauseum.
But her goes, again: I have a good Accord with a good transmission, good brakes and I am happy with it. Just doesn't generate the interest that complaining does, does it?
That doesn't sound very fair to me. Does the government know about this?
Dealerships are reinbursed by the manufacturer for warranty work.
Now, I am very careful with my car and apply 6 coats of Zaino per calendar year. My car is hand washed and I still developed the problem. I always make sure they spray the under carriage of my car during each wash.
My question is, "does Honda at the factory galvanize their cars before painting? It sounds like a silly question but it seems that once Accords for those model years go over 5 years, the rust starts in the area's I mentioned.
Now, I will have to get the area fixed/painted and have them do a thorough inspection of both paneled area.
In any event, when a transaxle fails the replacement is usually a factory remanufactured unit with all the latest updates. Several posters in various forums here have had very low mileage transaxle failures. It's not limited to a single manufacturer either. Two that I've had dialogue with include a Nissan Sentra and a Malibu. Both are satisfied with the results. So, good luck with yours and happy motoring.
It is really expensive to have a "Pro" do the work.
Which brings up the new 2003 Honda Accord design by Honda's engineers--will it have the same reliability as the first year re designed Honda Civic? The reason I bring this up is that the Honda Civic prior to the redesign had outstanding reliability. The April 2002 Consumer Reports Auto issue now ranks it as only "average" reliability since the redesign. This is quite a drop! Is Honda making short cuts in the manufacturing process?
I keep thinking about the out-sourcing by Honda for starters, axles, transmissions etc. Is Honda keeping on top of their suppliers? It doesn't seem so. Comments please!
Also received the Consumer Reports April Annual Auto issue and I noticed the same thing about the new Honda Civic! Average reliability from outstanding reliability is a nose dive in my estimation.
Lugwrench has a good point regarding the 2003 Accord. Ironically, maybe they will also drop the wishbone suspension on the 2003 Accord like they did on the new Civic. Cost cutting measures resulting in a reliability nose dive?
Hope Honda doesn't cheapen up the new Accord to much. That out sourcing of Honda suppliers seems to be the problem.
That said, I have to hold onto it for awhile longer before I can dump it. Since all of the warranties have expired on it, are there any other problem areas I should be aware of in V-6 Accords? If so, is there anything besides regular maintenance I can do to address those problem areas before they become major (i. e. expensive) repair problems?
Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Honda's parts distributors look like they do not have a proven track record. I don't care what anyone says, HONDA HAS A TRANSMISSION PROBLEM IN V-6'S IN THE 6TH GENERATION ACCORDS!
Honda America needs to address these problems right away or the new 2003 Accord will have average reliability like the re designed 2002 Civic.
With all the problems bullit71 with your Accord, I bet you can't wait to get rid of your it. Unfortunately, you are probably still paying on the car I assume? This makes it even more difficult to dump it. My advice is just hang in there until it is the right time for you to unload your problem.
80000 miles on a four year old car is well above average. That's not to say that is the reason for your troubles. But you drive a car that many miles and things will happen.
Funny, someone just screamed to the world that Honda has a transmission problem. Of the roughly 1.6 million Accords sold in the last four years, what is the % of V6 models with transmission problems? Based on posts here quite high, but I suspect it is really quite low.
I subscribe to CR and people seem to be making so much of the Civics average reliability. I guess the ~350000 people buying them every year are just stupid. For January, the Accord was second and the Civic was third in total sedan sales behind the Camry.
The average reliability of the new Civic says something. The new model is not as reliable as previous years which is alarming. It is the consumers that are lodging the complaints.
Honda cheapened up the new Civic by dropping the wishbone suspension to save money at the consumers expense. A lot of corners were cut on the new Civic to save money. Now Honda is suffering the consequences of a drop in reliability.
The 2003 Accord could follow the same Honda methods of cutting costs. Let's hope not!
A lot has been said about the lower reliability rating that Consumer Reports has given the new Civic. But how do they define "reliability"? My Civic has suffered only from defective bushings in the driver's seat, and I don't consider this as impacting the "reliability" of my car, meaning the defective seat isn't going to keep me from getting to work in the morning 9it merely rocks back and forth a bit, which is annoying but not alarming). Does CR factor defects such as these into their "reliability" rating? If so, I think it's not a true indication of a car's mechanical integrity in the long-run - which is really what Honda is known for.
In regards to the V6 transmissions, it has been debated ad nauseum. The Internet brings out people who have troubles. You aren't going to find too many people coming here to say "My Accord V6 runs just fine and has no transmission problems", but you are going to get people talking about their problems. Again, I have no doubts these people have problems, Honda cars will have plenty of problems. It needs to be put in to perspective. Unfortunately people come here to scream about problems, "cheapened" designs, etc. with not a lot of hard evidence. TSBs are well and good, but they aren't the end all be all.
~350K purchasers of Civics last year must have felt confident about the vehicle to buy it. If it was the "lemon" people are assuming it is because of CR's "average raliability" rating wouldn't there be something happening to sales, or something else to show people don't feel this vehicle is meeting expectations? I would thinks so, but I don't see it happening.
I mentioned this on one of the SUV topics. IMO Honda and Toyota (and a few others) are held to higher standards because of their past reputation. When the average person buys one of these makes they expect a bullet proof vehicle. When they have a problem they think this car was supposed to be reliable why am I having a problem. And then things just flow downhill from there. Many people agreed with that theory, but many did not.
Say what you will about quality but I'll take my chances with a Honda, a Toyota, a Subaru, a Nissan. Yep I may have problems but I think they are still light years ahead of many others.
They had a dumb problem with some of the radios that were frustrating until it got figured out.
There were some suspension squeaks etc and a couple of other minot things that I'm sure some poster will be happy to remind me of.
Still, the minor problems are enough to drop a car's ratings.
These were addressed and corrected in the 2002's.
The sky is not, and never was, falling!
The dropping of the double wishbone suspension was not to save money, for crying out loud.
This happened in order to increase interior room and give the car FIVE STAR front crash results.
Handling was not affected by this either. I've driven a 2001 Civic on a professional track through a pylon course and can tell you this first hand.
I noticed a bunch of spelling errors in my previous post----sorry.
Honda better not dump the double wishbone suspension on the new 2003 Accord. If they do, it will once again be a cost cutting measure.
I am starting to agree with others that Honda is trying to save money by out-sourcing parts for their Accords and Civics. This has to effect the reliability of a stellar performer such as the Civic or Accord.