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Honda Accord Quality Control Issues

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  • ziggy21ziggy21 Member Posts: 13
    Your'e right lugwrench. I checked the TSB at Delta, (an auto quality reviewer on the internet), and got a message saying that the company (Delta) was asked by Honda not to reveal any TSB to consumers. All other autos were avaiable. Courious....
  • windowphobe6windowphobe6 Member Posts: 765
    Consumers Union claims in the April 2001 auto issue to have based their reliability information on "readers' responses covering more than 500,000 vehicles". The half-colored dot, so far, is for model-year 2000 only.

    And ALLDATA's Web site has this little popup notice if you request TSBs for Honda:

    "The American Honda Motor Company, Inc. has requested ALLDATA restrict access to Acura and Honda repair information by individual consumers. You will unfortunately not be able to register for access to Acura or Honda vehicle repair information, technical service bulletins or recalls."

    I'm not sure if this means you can't buy the subscription package from ALLDATA's DIY or professional sites for a Honda or Acura, but it doesn't sound promising.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Member Posts: 163
    I wasn't surprised at all that Honda wouldn't devulge the number of V-6 transmission problems. It would hurt sales.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    We have you to do that!
  • ravynravyn Member Posts: 101
    how childish and unnecessary.
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Member Posts: 163
    Sorry you feel about it that way isellhondas. I was just trying to reinforce a statement. Denial at times is a tough word to handle.
  • timadamstimadams Member Posts: 294
    how childish and unnecessary.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    You would have to know the history in order to understand. :)
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Member Posts: 213
    All that one has to do is read all the posts in this forum about the defective V-6 transmissions.
    isellhondas is in constant denial and doesn't acknowledge there is a V-6 transmission failure.
    According to him, there isn't a problem.

    You do have to remember that isellhondas sells Hondas and even if he knew of frequent V-6 transmission failures, he wouldn't admit it.

    Many customers talk about the arrogance of Honda and you can see, this is a prime example. He isn't that cordial when a topic of this nature is discussed.
  • mikegold_1966mikegold_1966 Member Posts: 138
    I have noticed tasteless comments by isellhondas at other Honda boards here at Edmunds. Some people just need a lesson in manners and maturity.

    At times, his brash statements are of the aggressive nature without any feelings for the poster. Isellhondas has something to offer in some discussions but most of the time his immaturity is exhibited.
  • rfruthrfruth Member Posts: 630
    Isell has said there was something wrong with the transmission and if he was trying to be sneaky about it isellhondas would be a terrible name to go by, why try to beat him into submission take what he has to say (with a large grain of salt if you like) and try to use it to your advantage. Transmission talk seems so mild compared to the rest of the days news ... Rob Fruth Houston http://freeweb.pdq.net/rfruth/
  • paulo3paulo3 Member Posts: 113
    With all the events that happened today, I think we should move on and not discuss isellhondas remarks. 90% of the people that post here take his comments with a grain of salt.

    I also have read his comments on other boards and do not take his posts seriously. His demeanor at times borders on a fine line between politically correct or outright nasty.
  • rbruehlrbruehl Member Posts: 85
    Isellhondas is not the most compassionate poster and tends to be very course in his comments. He does not have any credibility any more and I have put his comments on "ignore"!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    For those who may not know...

    For a short period of time in late 99, early 2000, some V-6 transmissions were affected by a problem that would cause a "clunk" while backing up. Another related problem caused a "shudder" at certain speeds.

    As I understand it, these problems were caused when a parts vendor decided to change the specs on some internal parts without consulting with Honda. Honda got blindsided by this.

    And, although the problem was real, not that many cars were actually affected by this. These cars were repaired under warranty by Honda.

    Now...does this mean that ALL Honda transmissions will now be troublefree?

    Of course not. An automatic transmission is a complex piece of equipment and occassional glitches will occur...in any make.

    Still, there are a couple of posters in these forums that, for whatever reason attempt to cast doubt on V-6 transmissions built by Honda.

    I guess when I try to dispel these rumors it comes off as being arrogant or nasty.

    I just don't know how else to try to explain that these problems are isolated and not widespread.

    I don't hide what I do for a living. I also have NEVER used these forums in an attempt to promote myself or create sales. Far from it.

    So, it's easy to dismiss my comments or take them with a grain of salt as someone said.

    I'm only stating things as I see them.

    paulo3...I would like appreciate it if you could explain to me when I haven't been politically correct. It is NOT my intent to offend anyone.
  • ziggy21ziggy21 Member Posts: 13
    The internet has a cite for Honda Transmission of America. This company's bio says it has manufactured all of honda's transmission since 1982, for North America. However, even more interesting is that the cite is advertising for a new chief engineering of manufacturing for the plant. I think you can use find and type in Honda Transmission and get the plant. It is in Cleveland, I believe. BTW- My 2001 Honda accord Ex says tranny made in Japan and work fine (2500 miles)Knock on wood.Ziggy
  • paulo3paulo3 Member Posts: 113
    isellhondas, you are tend to expound the Honda PR department when it comes to the V-6 transmission.
    It has been an "ongoing" problem since 1998 and if it was a supplier problem, why has it not been corrected?

    It seems that it is more of an engineering problem since according to you, the supplier problem has been dealt with in 2000 by Honda. My question is, "why is the problem still occurring if it has been corrected?"
  • accord_loveraccord_lover Member Posts: 27
    I own a 2001 Accord EX V-6 sedan with 4K on the odometer. Just had my first oil change at 3700 miles recently and the car is great. It handles real well and love all the great features.

    Yesterday, I did notice a hesitation when I accelerated around 45-50 mph. It seems the transmission was sticking before it would engage into gear.

    Is this normal? It never did it before until now.
    Is this the transmission problem that people are talking about? Should I take it back to the dealer that serviced my Accord?
  • matt333matt333 Member Posts: 20
    the quality of fit and finish, for one thing, is terrible on u.s assembled cars (whether it's honda, toyota) compared to japanese assembled hondas of yore.

    That is a fact. but i'm sure at least one person will deny even that.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I guess I'm not sure what "ongoing" problem you are talking about. The "clunk" while backing up situation was isolated and fixed long ago.

    I am unaware of any other ongoing problems nor is our Service Department.

    I'm sure there will be the occassional transmission that has a problem as with any make and model.

    The problem with forums such as this is the problem of expressing ones viewpoint in a conversational manner.
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Member Posts: 213
    If you would like to see some real poor fit and finish, look at a GM, Ford or Chrysler product. Honda and Toyota have some of the best fit and finish in the automotive industry.
  • matt333matt333 Member Posts: 20
    I know how terrible those cars are, but i'm talking about comparing hondas made in japan to hondas assembled in usa.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    This has come up before an these forums.

    Personally, I can't see any differences between Japan, Canadian and U.S. built Hondas.

    Others who frequent these forums feel there are quality differences. I've never been able to see this myself.

    And, in six years, I can count the times a customer has mentioned this to me so it must not be that big of a deal.

    So, matt333, what do you feel the differences are?
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Member Posts: 163
    The Japanese produced Accords have better paint jobs since they are not required to adhere to the US EPA standards.
  • frag235frag235 Member Posts: 81
    I have a japanese-built Accord (2000 SE) and I sure have my share of rock chips!
  • anselmo1anselmo1 Member Posts: 163
    You can get rock chips on any car painted in any country. The uniformity of the paint is another issue though!
  • paulo3paulo3 Member Posts: 113
    Take a good look at a Japanese painted Accord and an American painted Accord. It is like night and day. The acid test is to look at the same cars three years later if you live in a climate that salts their road and then compare paint jobs.


    anselmo os right about the EPA paint standards.


    frag235---the way Hondas are designed, they are prone to paint chips. In the summer, use a nose mask. There is a protective plastic strip that is transparent that covers the front end of the Accord that protects the paint. Check this out:

    http://www.xpel.com/paint/product.asp?make=Honda&image1.x=14&image1.y=9

  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    We get no salt here...thank God!

    MAybe that's why the paint jobs look the same to me, even after ten years.
  • mikegold_1966mikegold_1966 Member Posts: 138
    I have noticed quite a difference between Japanese and American dark colored Accords. The paint is more uniform on Japanese Accords as compared to its American built counterpart.

    American dark painted Accords seem to have a hazing or over spray on them. Mine has this type of over spray. (1999 Accord EX V-6).
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Member Posts: 213
    Not the best as compared to the Japanese but better than GM, Ford or Chrysler.
  • gei763gei763 Member Posts: 1
    Own a 2000 Accord SE---Naples Gold paint--noticed numerous paint chips on the hood. I do understand rocks do fly up but big hunks the size of a dime are noticeable and unacceptable. The paint is almost flaking.

    Took the car to a reliable body shop and the collision shop writer told me that Hondas have some of the worst pain problems in the industry.

    He recommended that I take it back to Honda since it is a paint defect on their part. Has anyone one else had this problem with paint?

    Please email me at gei763@yahoo.com with your advice on how I should deal with this problem.
  • accord_loveraccord_lover Member Posts: 27
    Honda America's customer service department can handle consumer's paint problems under warranty.
    The number is in the owners manual.

    A good wax or polish also helps to maintain paint on your Accord.
  • ravynravyn Member Posts: 101
    i just emailed you. good luck.
  • riswamiriswami Member Posts: 192
  • riswamiriswami Member Posts: 192
    board. I was starting to believe that Hondas were perfect!

    Love the post about fit and finish! Been reading Car and Driver for about 20 years. Haven't heard one thing about differences between Japanese and American Assembly.

    Knocking GM, Ford and Chrysler is east to do for some on this board.

    Hey, if the Japanese are so darn Superior how come they haven't gone to the moon? How come they haven't built a commercial Jet Airliner?

    The quality gap closed many years ago. At least state some facts when you bash something!

    By the way I own two Fords and I love em. The paint is fine on both of em!
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Member Posts: 213
    You are right about Car and Driver magazine, they will never bite the hand that feeds them. Of course they are not going to report fit and finish flaws, look who advertises in their magazine.

    I suggest you buy a few issues of Consumer Reports which takes into account fit and finish flaws. You won't see any Honda, Ford, Toyota or GM ads in their magazine!

    If memory serves me well, Ford has always had a paint and fit and finish problem since they discontinued the Model T. In my neck of the woods, Ford has a terrible problem regarding rust.
    1993 Ford Tauruses look like Kraft Swiss cheese advertisements.

    I am glad the paint is great on both your Fords but how is the engine, exhaust, wheel bearings, tie rods, shocks and transmission?
  • riswamiriswami Member Posts: 192
    Lugwrench.First thing, I cancelled my subsricption to Consumer Reports after 15 years. I find a lot of their information useless and their Car Reviews biased and laughable. Want an example? How about those used car ratings. Take a Taurus for example. They have a catergory for engine. So if it is a 93 Taurus what engine are they talking about? Is it the 3.0 Vulcan which is reliable or the 3.8 liter that I would not touch with a ten foot pole.And if you subscribe to CR why would you buy anything American? They never recommend them. I could go on but you get the point.

    Now compare a Taurus to an Accord. At 90k you need to do a timing belt on the Accord. Most reasonable folks would recommend the water pump at the same time. It's cheap insurance. That's a four to five hundred dollar job. The Taurus has a metal timing chain so this maintenance is not necessary. I'll also tell you that I checked out an Accord before I bought my Taurus. It cost 300 dollars more a year to insure an Accord. I've saved a grand over the last three and one half years.We also pay a car tax in Rhode Island. My tax is 33 dollars per thousand on the value of the car. I'm actually glad that the Taurus loses it value. If I owned an Accord I'd pay higher taxes.

    As far as your comments to engine, exhaust wheel bearings, tie rods (wear item and cheap), schocks (wear item) and transmission - well I haven't experienced those problems. 1993 Escort Wagon - 141,000. Original Exhaust, Shocks and tranny (5 speed manual). 97 Taurus GL - 63,000. Have replaced one door switch. Escort never used a drop of oil and runs like new. My Vulcan Taurus uses approximately 1/2 quart in 3 thousand miles.

    Played golf with a Gentleman two weeks ago. He had a 93 Civic with 170,000. Paid 2,000 to fix a head gasket and other problems and had a computer failure which cost big bucks and took the dealer a week to find. How about that? If you listen to some people Hondas never break.

    My brother has a 2000 Accord. He likes the car. I think they're good also, just don't try to sell to me the superiority thing, I'm not buying.

    As far as body integrity - I'll take my chances with a Taurus over an Accord everytime. Nothing scientific - just an observation.
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Member Posts: 213
    As soon as you drove your Taurus off the lot, it depreciated $5000.00. The Taurus resale value is laughable. You can buy a 2000 Taurus with less than 9K used up here for $9500.00. Car sold for over $20,000 brand new at full retail. Figure that one out. The Accord has an excellent resale value, is more reliable and doesn't rust out like swiss cheese.

    Ford has had a rust problem since the 1970's. In the Northeast, you driving a rust bucket after 7 years. As far as body integrity, Honda has it all over Ford.

    Where is isellhondas when I need him. He can fill you in on Fords that are traded in for Accords.
  • riswamiriswami Member Posts: 192
    that kind of response. Buy a Taurus used and keep it for 10 years. What does resale mean if you hold onto the car?

    You have documentation and studies that Fords rust out before Hondas? I wouldn't get to emotional over an Accord.Their all over the place and not exactly a good looking car!
  • mikegold_1966mikegold_1966 Member Posts: 138
    I have to add my comments to the last post. First of all, Fords have a propensity to rust out more so than GM, Chrysler, Honda or any other brand outside of the Hyundai.

    I have not seen a Ford last 10 years without multiple problems that had to be fixed. The Taurus styling is outright ugly. In retrospect, Ford probably has had more recalls than any other manufacturer.

    Ford resale value outside of the F-150 truck is the biggest joke of all. Buy a Ford, you loose money right away by depreciation and later by numerous car repairs.

    My observations posted can be verified by numerous collision and automotive repair shops throughout North America.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Oh, you are doing just fine by yourself!
  • accord_loveraccord_lover Member Posts: 27
    The Ford Taurus was the top selling car in the United States in the early to mid 1990's until the Toyota Camry knocked them out of first place.

    The primary reason for the Ford Taurus dropping out of first place was the result of an ultra ugly styling change, recalls, and quality control problems in its components.

    Ford's fit and finish was average to below average at best. Paint quality was sub par and FORDS DO RUST more prematurely than the vast majority of the vehicles made available in the United States.

    The Honda Accord is a far better built vehicle than the Ford Taurus. Hondas resale value is one of the best in the industry.

    The comment about keeping a Ford Taurus for 10 years is more a dream than an actual reality.
  • riswamiriswami Member Posts: 192
    in the wind. All you have is opinions.No 10 year old Fords on the road! Come on. Go and replace your timing belt.

    Again, what is resale if you plan on keeping the car. Put it this way, a Taurus bought for $4,000 less than an Accord, invested at 10% over 9 years equals 8 grand. Read Consumer Reports and fell nice and fuzzy. Seems to me there is more activity in the Maintenance and Repair Board for the Accord verse the Taurus Board. No problems with Hondas. Gee, this board is about people bitching about quality gone south.And I do enjoy some of the complaining because it is ridiculous. Guess having a Honda meams you have a short memory.If your going to attack another brand have some facts.

    Asking a Honda salesman to support your cause is great too! What do you expect him to say, Hondas suck? Why don't you check the long term report on the Odyssey minivan in Car and Driver. Not exactly trouble free.

    I bet most of you carry cell phones in case you breakdown. Then you brag to your friends how reliable Accords are?

    You don't get the point. Your spending more for very little more reliability. Or your all in denial.
  • lugwrenchlugwrench Member Posts: 213
    First of all, I did get my tetanus shot riswami in case I rub against a Ford Taurus at my parking lot at work.

    isellhondas is our resident expert here. Of course he is going to support statements regarding the Honda Accord since that is his livelihood. As far as a course in how to invest money, I took micro and macro economics in college and don't need lessons on how to invest money when you are talking about car depreciation.

    The Ford Windstar has a 5 star crash rating but is one of the most unreliable min-vans on the road. Ford should change its name to Recall-Star. The Honda Odyssey is heads above Fords Recall-Star.

    As far a cell phone use, I bet more cell phone calls have been made from Fords to AAA than from Honda Accords. I am surprised that Ford hasn't made a cell phone standard equipment in all its vehicles.

    In conclusion, this board is intended to discuss quality control issues regarding Honda Accords. If there was a Ford Taurus Quality Control Issues topic---it would probably have over 4000 posts by now.
  • riswamiriswami Member Posts: 192
    If you go back I defended Accords when I stated how do your fellow Accord Owners know the differences in quality between American and Japanese paint jobs.

    I refuse to knock the Accord. You insist on posting with the intellect of a teenager. Post some facts.

    Bottom line is the Accord is a good car that is over rated by many people. Dollars rule, what can I say. People spend more money up front on Hondas and Toyotas in hopes their repair bills will be lower. What they fail to take into condsideration is insurance cost and the cost for repairs when they do happen. I just don't appreciate the Superiority Complex!Of course you have no answer for investing the dollars saved; you can't knock it because it is a fact.
  • paperman2paperman2 Member Posts: 2
    I have a 2001 Honda Accord with only 18,000 miles. It has been in the shop twice to solve a roaring noise in the front end. They change the wheel bearings the first time. I am now waiting on the delivery of a new transmission.

    I do not have a great deal of confidence that the transmission is the real problem. Has anyone encounter a similar problem?
  • mikegold_1966mikegold_1966 Member Posts: 138
    I read your comments posted here on this topic and I have to conclude that maturity isn't a virtue of yours. You come in and start laughing at Accord paint problems and try to insult everyones intelligence bragging about Ford Tauruses. Then you go on with jibberish jargon about depreciation and investments. Give us all a break will you!

    As far as you posting facts, I haven't seen any. My conclusion is that you just wanted to cause trouble by your posts. I suggest you post over at the Ford board buddy!

    Just my two cents folks.
  • riswamiriswami Member Posts: 192
    response when you don't agree with someone. Fact is this board is Titled "Honda Accord Quality Control Issues". Funny there are a ton of responses in the Maintenance and Repair Board for Accords.

    Funny when you don't agree with someone you tell em to leave. What the hell do any of you know about paint quality? Specifically if the Japanese paint is superior to American! Zip is the answer.

    Face it pal, you pay more for your precious Accords than they are worth in my humble opinion.

    So I'm going for awhile.But I'll be back. Grab a copy of the latest Consumer Reports Annual Car issue and tell yourself how smart you are.Then pay 500 bills to change your timing belt every 90k and look forward to muffler replacement on a regular basis. Hopefully your radio will last because they used some crap radios in the late 80s and early 90s.

    This makes two of you attacking my responses. Where is your data on rusting manufacters? Doesn't exist, does it. If you can't have an adult response don't bother.
  • mikefm58mikefm58 Member Posts: 2,882
    Can we all just get along? Everyone is entitled to their opinions. riswami likes his Tuarus and has probably had good luck with it. I'm happy for him!! Ford does get lots of complaints (Firestone saga), but they have some of the best selling vehicles. They must be doing something right.

    But he did come into a Honda forum stating Accords are over rated and he should expect a backlash of comments. That's called brand loyalty. There's brand loyalty with all manufacturers.

    We don't need to get personal and call each other's posts "childish".

    Now my experiences. I've owned two Dodge vehicles, replaced rack and pinion steering in both at 88000 miles and a transmission in one of them, won't buy a Chrysler product again. My Ford Tempo was equally as bad and rusted out in 3 years. Two GM vans and an Olds Cutlass, entire brake jobs and mufflers every two years. The Olds was the worst, repairs (not maintenance) was over $3000 in two years. A Honda Odyssey, three misc. recalls, several attempts at fixing wheel vibrations and a couple times to adjust the brakes, not impressed with Odyssey quality but it was a first model year. A Honda CRV, the best vehicle I've owned, 2 1/2 years and 45K miles, not one repair and still going strong. Traded the Odyssey in for an Accord 4 months ago, so far so good. I paid $23600 for the Odyssey in Nov. 1999 and after 2 1/2 years and 26K miles, the dealer still gave me $19500 for a trade, not bad huh?

    There's a chance any vehicle we buy could be a lemon or could be great. For my money, I'd stick with a Honda though.

    Just my humble opinion.
  • lbthedoglbthedog Member Posts: 198
    Heres some interesting data from an interesting site:


    Thanks to the efforts of the Center for Auto Safety, we are able to provide you with the vehicle complaints on file with the National Highway for Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). Each year, thousands of Americans call their government to register complaints about their vehicles. The federal government collects this information but has never released it to the general public. The complaint index is based on a ratio of the number of complaints for each vehicle to the sales of that vehicle.


    MODEL COMPLAINT INDEX RATIO

    Audi A6 23,183

    Mercury Cougar 20,829

    Honda Passport 18,049

    Lexus SC300/400 16,671

    Kia Sportage 14,100

    Mitsubishi Galant 13,808

    Isuzu Rodeo 13,692

    Chrysler LHS 12,459

    Honda Odyssey 12,032

    Jeep Grand Cherokee 11,881

    Volkswagen Passat 10,458

    Mazda Miata 10,091

    Mercury Villager 9,113

    Volkswagen Golf 7,971

    Pontiac Montana 7,957

    Pontiac Grand Am 7,916

    Cadillac Catera 7,735

    Chevrolet Tracker 7,572

    Ford Windstar 7,533

    Saab 9-3 7,365

    Chevrolet Venture 7,147

    Chrysler 300M 7,131

    Oldsmobile Intrigue 7,060

    Lincoln Navigator 6,962

    Oldsmobile Alero 6,952


    Here's the link:

    http://www.lemonlaw.com/lemonlist.html


    Yep, the Accord isn't there but it is interesting what is.

  • lugwrenchlugwrench Member Posts: 213
    I subscribe to Car and Driver Magazine and think it is a very good magazine. Also noticed that numerous car companies place ads in the magazine to sell their product.

    Riswami, you mention that you subscribe to the magazine also and like the way they review vehicles. I like the way they review vehicles also but they are hardly bias. They rely on what is known as "ADVERTISING" supplement their publication. So when they review a Chrysler product, they are going to give them glowing reviews since they don't want to bite the hand that feeds their revenue dollars. Not once have I ever seen where Car and Driver goes into detail about a cars reliability or discuss rust!

    Keep it civil and discuss the facts. As far as paint on Japanese and American Honda Accords, Japan has different EPA standards when it comes to painting vehicles. They do not adhere to US paint standards that are dictated by the government.

    JD Powers survey mentions Fords in detail regarding quality assurance issues and let me tell you Riswani, they are not in the same league as the Accord.
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