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On top of that, will be taxes, license, registration and a doc fee of about 180$.
Thanks for your help in davance
It's okay.
You can thank the CFC program for tacking on about an additional $1,000 to $1,200 to your price, though, because I could have gotten that same car for $14,300 to $14,500 plus TTL all day long prior to CFC.
Yowsers! Yep, with the 5% of americans that can qualify for the CFC program hitting the dealers all at once, car prices are propped up. The other 95 % those needing a car now can pay higher prices AND the CFC program through their taxes (eventually)
Many cars that were selling for $15000 before CFC are now advertised at $17500 or more, with the generous $4000 off from the govt bringing the price down to $13500. (which it would have been for all of us without CFC given the state of car sales and the usual summer clerarance) Awful nice of those dealers to let the pigeon ... er customer keep 1500 of the $4000 don't you think?
Oh! goody! they are going to EXTEND the CFC program for another 2 months with $2,000,000,000 more cash!
More pigeons and artificially higher prices for the 95% of car buyers who don't qualify..... isn't government grand?
Good luck
--jjf
looks like the clunker deluge is eroding the consumer power to negotiate
I will prob wait until this wave is over.
stranegly I got a deal for LX-S which was lower than LX.
Are LX-S not popular or was it a mistake of Auto versus Manual?
1989 Chevrolet Camaro 5.0L V8 <-18 MPG Combined
1996 Plymouth Voyager Rallye Short Wheelbase 3.6L V6 <- 18 <MPG Combined
1993 Mercury Tracer 1.9L I4 <- 35 MPG Combined (and until it literally blew it's head gasket on Monday, it was averaging ~38 with my 20 year old son driving)
Not a one qualifies for Clunker cash against a Sonata GLS I4 Automatic.
MRSP $31,500
Less:
Manufacturer’s rebate 4,500
Dealer’s discount 1,050
Add:
Block heater (installed) 250
Document fee 386
Delivery charge 1,580
A/C duties/tire levy 120
GST/Sales tax (5%) 1,414
Less: Trade-in – 97 Camry XLE 2,500 (163K miles)
OTD price $27,200
Dealer threw in these for free: floor mats, mudguard, trunk lip protector and first-aid kit.
In US$ terms, OTD price is US$22.7K (or US$24.75K before trade-in) with exchange rate at US$1=C$1.2 (which is now lower at about C$1.1).
Can anyone from Canada comment if I have any buyer remorse?
Use the official government site, not Hyundai: www.cars.gov
I think you info about Hyundai's electrical problems is based on previous models like prior to 2006. I thoroughly researched before I bought my 09 LTD. Consumer reports, MototrTrend, Motor Week, and Edmunds don't mention any of these problems. Check out these resources to confirm.
I agree with you to buy the additional warranty for the added peace of mind. If you can afford the money, it never hurts.
Sorry I don't check the forums everyday so couldn't reply earlier.
Edmunds is the best place to research all the trim and package info on any car.
PEP for Hyundai is around $1500 and includes the following:
"PEP = Popular Equipment Package"
power driver seat, driver's lumbar support, steering wheel audio controls, automatic headlight control, trip computer, power tilt and slide glass sunroof, chrome window belt moldings and woodgrain accents.
Hope this helps.
My brother really liked my LTD so we went and get him a GLS+PEP yesterday. He didn't want to spend the extra money for the LTD trim. Here's what we paid for it only yesterday.
Invoice - $18,517 (GLS + PEP)
Dest. - $720
Proc Fees - $349
PA Tax - $1,196.96
Tags, title, reg - $202
Hyundai Rebate - $3,000
C4C Rebate - $3,500
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OTD PRICE - $14,455.96
We got it in Manassas, VA, but we live in PA. Reason it was $900 cheaper compared to local dealers and that's substantial saving for a short drive there.
Keep in mind the 09s are going fast due to the cash for clunkers program. The selling dealer had only 23 left so the color choices are dwindling as well. There is only a $1000 rebate on the 2010 models.
Hope this helps folks looking to take advantage of the Clunkers program.
CONCLUSION: There are still good deals out there just have to look harder and not get hosed by the dealers. They are still under tremendous pressure to sell inventory that's been sitting on their lots since early this year.
This is my third Hyundai and I have never had one in the shop for anything!!!!!!!!
They are the most trouble free cars I have owned in the past 50 years.
Texasjack
Jumping two model years and upgrading from SE to Limited for $500 per model year is unbelievably good. The '09s had quite a MSRP price hike compared to the '07s. While you "gave up" a V-6, the I-4 should be plenty powerful enough and will get better MPG.
MSRP: $19,085
Absolute Hyundai's Price: $18,885
Manufacturer Rebate $3,000
Your Final Price: $15,885*
2009 Hyundai Sonata - GLS 5-Speed Manual 4dr Sedan
w/option 1
carpeted floors matts
btw: I want auto/option 2 ...what would be a good offer???
Last question-VERY IMPORTANT
I've owned my 95' Civic since 00', but I moved abroad for 5 yrs and just moved back
in April. My car wasn't registered during the 5 yrs, and I just registered 2 months ago.
Is it possible I qualify for c4c???
I heard dealerships have their "in-house c4c", is that true???
Does that include tax? Either way, that's not a good quote at all. Here's what we paid for a GLS w/ PEP1 last week in Manassas, VA. Looks like you're paying at least ~$1500 (less taxes) for a lot less car/options.
Invoice - $18,517 (GLS + PEP1)
Dest. - $720
Proc Fees - $349
PA Tax - $1,196.96
Tags, title, reg - $202
Hyundai Rebate - $3,000
C4C Rebate - $3,500
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OTD PRICE - $14,455.96
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You Civic doesn't qualify for the C4C program as it only applies to cars 18 mpg or under. www.cars.gov and fueleconomy.gov will tell you about eligibility.
Never heard of "in-house" C4c by any dealer.
I can't say this for every dealer but my brother and I have bought two cars using the C4C program, one the first day it was launched, the other just last week. Dealers have so much access inventory since late last year that they are not in any position to raise prices. Of course, there are always greedy ones who will probably loose business. The dealer we got it from has prices advertised on their website and discloses every additional fees transparently (the only one I could find). Those prices have not changed since June 09 as we were looking for deals in anticipation of the program being approved by congress.
Forums like this one inform folks so that they can negotiate a better deal. Perhaps you can also benefit from the knowledge shared here and try to negotiate a better deal instead of just being ticked off at the govt.
Moral: Do your research -get a better deal and when you do help others do the same. No whining!
Granted only 5% of people qualify for the program, still it's way better than watching your tax money going to wall street fat cats. At least, this way I can use my tax money directly for myself rather than watch less than 0.1% fly in jets paid by me to the Hamptons because those poor souls have to shoulder the weight of saving the entire civilized world from soup kitchens and bread lines. Cry me a river!!!
2) No way a '95 Civic will qualify for C4C. It only applies to cars with a combined EPA rating of 18 mpg or less.
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Here is an example: in my area there is a large chain of dealerships that have a "no-haggle" pricing policy. I track car prices pretty carefully (one of my "hobbies", and no, I don't get out much). This particular chain was advertising Sonata GLS AT with no options prices before C4C in the mid-$15's, before T&L. There were similar advertised prices from other dealerships in town. This past weekend, I noticed the same Sonatas (same base price) advertised by the no-haggle dealer for just under $17k, before T&L. In both cases, a $3000 rebate applied. I have seen comparable increases for popular, fuel-efficient models like the Focus (a hot seller in the C4C program), 2010 Fusion and Milan, and Malibu. News reports talk of dealerships flooded with buyers, sales reps working with 3 people at one time. No wonder prices have gone up!
So, not the best time for someone without a clunker to buy a new car--unless it's one that doesn't qualify for C4C. Then you might get a real steal.
Good for you that you do the research. I will again say that consumer empowerment is what Edmunds and it's users do best. Dealers are always going to lure you in w/ all sort of ways, free market or not. It doesn't change the fact that supply is still very very high than demand. Sure the Sonata is in high demand right now but there's still access inventory on the lots. Perhaps expanding ones reach beyond local dealers is the way to go. That's what we did and saved a lot of money.
You should put the dealer's info here so buyers can stay away. My experience is to stay far far away from so called "high volume, low profit, no haggle price" dealers, it's usually a sham. Those to me are red flags to stay away from that dealership. I just had my friend who's interested in a GLS check out the Olathe Hyundai in KS and they have 202 Sonatas in stock and a GLS w/ PEP 03 is around $15,600 (rebates applied) and they are willing to deal as well.
In my case, I used Edmunds to get price quotes from local and regional dealers by explicitly stating that I will only respond via e-mail and will not answer any phone calls and will block all spam e-mail. I got 3 local and two regional dealers w/ transparent OTD door. 5 moronic dealership were sent to trash folder forever. It took me only 3 e-mails to finalize the deal and then drive 2 hrs to take delivery, a minor inconvenience for $1200 savings. The dealer was so thankful that he gave me $25 GC for a local food joint and an extra keyless remote.
All I am saying is that you can very easily turn the tide in your favor while keeping in mind that the dealership is a business that needs to make money as well. You decide how much money they make off of you. Traditional car buying/pricing has always been somewhat of a blackbox but Edmunds is helping change that. I remember when Edmunds first started TMV pricing, dealers laughed at you when you showed it to them, today almost everyone prices their cars around that number by advertising "below Blue Book" pricing.
Dealers have raised the "bottom line" prices they charge... they're pocketing the excess (not access) money as profit. You "got" a $3500 C4C allowance that the government paid; you actually benefited $700 but gave up your trade in for free to get it. The dealer pocketed the rest as pure profit.
And for the guy who DOESN'T have a C4C, it's a VERY bad deal, as the dealer isn't going to give him a break since he doesn't qualify; he's going to laugh his way to the bank.
Best thing for the consumer, NOW, was for C4C to DIE. Instead, they just gave it another $2B. Me, personally, I'd rather they had just given a tax credit next April 15th to everyone who bought a car that got good enought mileage in CY2009 (say, $1500; would have worked out about the same, in the end, but wouldn't have lined the dealer's pockets so much and would have caused a bigger stimulus).
BTW... re another comment--the Walser dealership chain in MN is NOT a "sham." They have a long-standing "no-haggle" pricing policy. They tend to offer pretty good discounts on their cars, in my experience. Are they the lowest prices that an expert negotiator could get? Probably not. But they are after the buyers who don't like the typical car buying experience, the pressure, the negotiations, the "games" some dealers play. They are pretty successful so it seems there are enough people who like the way they do business. I've found them pleasant to work with in car shopping over the years. Only bought one car from them, a 2004 Prius, as they were the only dealer that offered any kind of discount on the car at the time I bought it. (And I never took delivery, but that is a long story.) Came pretty close on a couple of other purchases, new and used. For people who like to negotiate, there's many other dealers to choose from.
This is my first Hyundai and I love my Sonata so far. It’s way better value than Accord and Camry. Since I usually drive mine forever till they die, resale is not an issue. Thanks for sharing your experiences, it makes me feel just that much better with my purchase. I am sure you’ll enjoy your for some time to come.
Few people here report prices hikes after CFC so it must be true to some degree. Seems like we got lucky with static prices after CFC went into effect OR by your account we were just plain duped into trading our clunkers for peanuts. I traded in a ’99 Ford minivan with 179K (surprised it lasted that long – it barely did) and the other was a ‘97 Seville, 162K miles, that had just started to show signs of overheating. Both were worth less than $1000 trade-in.
I am curious to learn how much did I overpay compared to March prices. So, please share your OTD price breakdown. Here are my price breakdowns again.
2009 Hyundai Sonata, LTD, 4cyl
Coco Metallic w/ Coco interior
Options - Navigation, Bluetooth, Floor Mats, Cargo Net, Cargo Tray, Mud Guards
Polymer Paint Protection, Nitrogen Filled Tires (these cost the dealer $40, $15 so I don’t consider them part of the deal, although the dealers charge $499-599 & $70-90 for these – what a rip off!)
Negotiated price - $22,395
Freight - $720
Proc fees - $349 (only in VA)
Tags, title, reg - $202
Sales Tax - 1,429.14
Hyundai Rebate - $3,000
CFC Rebate - $3,500
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OTD Price - $18,595.14
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2009 Hyundai Sonata, GLS, 4cyl
Ebony Black w/ Gray Interior
Options: PEP 03 (sunroof), Floor Mats, Cargo Tray & Mat, Mud Guards (I think I miswrote in earlier posts that it was PEP)
Negotiated Price - $18,517
Freight - $720
Proc Fees - $349 (only in VA)
PA Tax - $1,152.22
Tags, title, reg - $202
Hyundai Rebate - $3,000
CFC Rebate - $3,500
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OTD PRICE - $14,442.22
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BTW: I just called the same dealer and they are out of 09 Sonatas and are expecting 01s next week w/ only $1000 rebate.
I know quiet a few people who love the idea of "NO HAGGLE" pricing and always go to those dealers. And most in my area claim to have such pricing. It's a matter of pure personal preference and certainly not for me. From my perspective, one needs transparent pricing instead of the black box approach.
My aversion to such dealers comes from truly arrogant dealers like the one who always has the biggest ad in all newspapers and on TV for NO HAGGLE pricing and when I walked in last year they told me that they are having a special sale this week and I can pick up the new Accord EX for the sticker price as usually there is at least a 10% markup for these extremely high demand black on black models. Surely, it was 'NO HAGGLE' but I felt that I should be thanking my lucky stars that the dealership is bestowing a huge favor upon me and I don't have to sign-over my first born to get the car. Needless to say, I was out of there within the minute never to revisit. Of course, they are one of the biggest dealer in my tri-state region and have been for the longest time, but they are NOT for me. I am willing to pay a bit extra for a courteous and pleasant buying experience.
BTW, my local Costco's price for the same car was $2,635 less delivered to my home. I just didn't think it was good value even at that price. I didn't like the awkward exterior styling and the equally hideous interior of the new Accord. Again, a matter of pure personal preference.
Don't get me, or Backy, wrong... you might ACTUALLY end up paying less today with C4C.... but the average amount is ~$1K and giving up your old car "free". If the old car really is worth nearly nothing (like the Tracer, except of course it wouldn't qualify for C4C....), bonus. But if the clunker itself has any value, you get even less. And the $3500 (or $4500) that it's costing taxpayers isn't worth it. And for the poor guy who doesn't have a handy clunker that qualifies....... it's not a good time to buy, at all.
Given my limited math skills, let me see I understand this correctly.
If your $15,630 is OTD (incl taxes, freight, and options lets say for ~$2000-2400), then, YES I certainly overpaid by >$2000 than you and negated all of the C4C benefit w/ my free trade.
However, if the $15,630 excludes taxes, fees, and freight then my comparable price is $14,106+$1411(PEP 03) = $15,517 - $3500 (C4C) = $12,017 which as you can see is much less than what you paid. Hey I am just trying to feel better here..... OK.
Maybe I need to understand the tax code again, as I always thought the value of donated car is applied towards your deductions as a line item and NOT taken lump sump as a tax rebate - big difference.
Let's just agree on a reasonably good price for GLS+PEP and LTD trims. Here's what I can tell everyone based on our purchases.
GLS+PEP 03 = $15,500 (incl $3K Hyundai rebate) and $12,000 after $3.5K C4C
LTD = $18,000 (incl $3K Hyundai rebate), and $14,500 after $3.5K C4C
Use these prices as a starting point to negotiate. And try to find a dealer that still has enough inventory of 09 Sonatas. At this point, color/option choices maybe limited as supplies dwindle.
Good luck and enjoy your new Sonatas to the fullest.
Whether you've bought a car or not, taken advantage of this boondoggle or not, you can rest assured that your taxes are being used to ensure dealers can ask MSRP for their cars, sell a boatload of cars to people thinking they're getting a good deal, when in fact, they'd had been better of buying 3 months ago with no trade in (they could've sold that for gravy, 3 months ago).
This program should be called TFD (Taxdollars For Dealerships). New car dealerships LOVE it.
In the case of the Sonata, a new GLS with PEP, auto, could have been had from Fitz for $14,300 3 months ago, AND you could have sold your "clunker" and taken that income off that price.
Now, Fitz has the same car at....ta da!!! $16,000+.
Ain't government meddling grand?
C4C might have actually been helpful, briefly.... but now it's just welfare for the dealerships. It's also raised the price of new cars significantly for those who cannot take advantage of C4C (with the SOLE possible exception of those trying to buy a used car... the market for those has decreased).
And as you asked, yes, the donation counts as a decrease in my earned amount, not a credit; when we did it a few years back, though, it was enough to make a significant drop in our taxable income for the year, because it moved our tax bracket.
---------------- From another forum, just replace "G6" in many places with your car.
The G6 is based on the same platform as the Malibu and Saturn Aura. I believe the 08 $22000 (approx) G6, Malibu and Aura have a used trade in value (with avg miles ) of about 10k, 11k and 11k respectively.(kbb.com) This is what the $22000 09 will be worth in 12 months.
Almost certainly great deals were to be had this summer on the G6 and malibu but the " Cash for clunkers" deal from your govt propped up the price $3000 or more, and the stock sold off.
Yes virginia, the dealers raised the price by $3000 or so and people bought the cars for about the same price after the gov't money as they sold for a month earlier. Possibly even more given funny money lease and other finance deals. Straight from the gov't to the dealers and manufacturers. Worse, it appears most of the money went to foreign nameplates rather than the Domestic's, to which 80 BILLION of your tax money has also been sunk into.
A G6 that could be had for under 14000 in June. couldn't be touched for under $17000 for a while, without a (highly specific) clunker. With the stock sold off and the clunker program re-funded till Nov., prepare to pay much more than $13000 for a lefftover 09 (and discontinued nameplate?) worth about $10,000 in a year.
Just saw a lot full of "clunkers" with "not for sale" marked on their windshield. Looking at them they ranged from about $600-$6000 vehicles. Probably averaged about $1800. By the time you figure the dealers jacked the price up $2000-3000, and the clunker trade could have been sold for $1800 or so, it is a complete wash, with documentation, special destruction costs etc added on. The environmental teaser used to sell the program as usual, a joke.
And 95% of new car (non clunker) buyers get to buy cars for higher prices until this artificial subsidy expires in november. Probably another $6 billion out of consumer's pockets on top of the $3 billion program cost put on your taxpayer credit card.
Good luck
--jjf
CFC is a dealership taxpayer transfer payment program.
Whether you've bought a car or not, taken advantage of this boondoggle or not, you can rest assured that your taxes are being used to ensure dealers can ask MSRP for their cars, sell a boatload of cars to people thinking they're getting a good deal, when in fact, they'd had been better of buying 3 months ago with no trade in (they could've sold that for gravy, 3 months ago).
This program should be called TFD (Taxdollars For Dealerships). New car dealerships LOVE it.
In the case of the Sonata, a new GLS with PEP, auto, could have been had from Fitz for $14,300 3 months ago, AND you could have sold your "clunker" and taken that income off that price.
Now, Fitz has the same car at....ta da!!! $16,000+.
Ain't government meddling grand?
First, the vehicle was deceptively marketed as new when it was not. The car was placed in the area where the new cars were and not where the used car section was. The car price tag on the window also appeared similar to those of other new vehicles.
Second, the dealer misrepresented the vehicle history. The salesman and the sale manager told us the vehicle is new, not a used car. The salesman told us that the mileages ran from the road test by the manager. The manager even told us that it was his car. He test drove it. When we asked to see the user manual and the spare key, they told us the customer service had closed and we could come back to get it the following day. However, when we went back the next day, we had been told the vehicle was transferred from another dealership and the manual and keys were still there. They asked us to come back again. From that point, we realized the vehicle was from the other dealership and the sales manager hid the vehicle history.
Third complaint is the auto dealer financing scam. When we went back to question the dealership about the used car title, the sales manager again stated that the car is new. That is why we can get the 60 months, 0% interest rate + $1500 bonus cash. That incentive is for new 2009 vehicles only. One more time, he tried to make us to believe the demo car is new.
Forth complaint is that we lost the chance to purchase a two-day sales contract cancellation option because we thought the vehicle is new after the salesman and the sales manager told the vehicle is new numerous times. Therefore, we didn't ask to ge the cancellation option that we are entitled to under California's Buyer's Bill of Rights.
We are really upset with the purchase of the car and feel that there were deceptive practices used. We would not have purchased this car if we knew it was used and would not have paid new car pricing for a used car, total $22,500. We definitely don't recommend this dealer.
If you have any legal advice or comments, I really appreciate it.
The other really bad thing about this is, if in fact the car really is used, it has only the remainder of the 5-year, 60k mile bumper-to-bumper warranty left--and not the 10-year, 100k mile powertrain warranty (so powertrain is covered only under the remainder of the 5-year warranty).
It wouldn't hurt to talk with Hyundai Customer Support about this also.
Thanks government! Thanks new car dealers!
Ughhhh.
Always AVOID the Manager’s Special cars. Even with the steep discount they offer, you’re taking a rather large gamble. Here’s why:
Though they claim that only “executives” have driven the car on official business, that is never the case. Everyone who works at the dealership has driven that car - the mechanic who went out to pick up lunch, the customer service lady who had to make a deposit at the bank, etc, etc. You can never be too sure if they drove the car with care. BUT, I ask you this: when you drive a rental car, do you treat it as well as your own car? No, you don’t.
A good friend of mine used to be in sales at a local Ford dealership, and he said that one of the running jokes would be who could sell the “Manager’s Special” car. He said they ragged the car out (jack-rabbit starts, drove off curbs, let it idle for HOURS!, hard breaking, etc.). The car never had a proper break-in period, and, as such, had extreme wear and tear on it.
Please, please, please, do yourself a HUGE favor, always avoid any kind of “Manager’s Special” car. Even with the steep discount up front, you will lose that money in the long run with extra repairs. In fact, if a car on the lot has more than say 50 miles on it (a few test drives’ worth), don’t buy it.
Yes, I am looking for any possible ways I can afford in getting the legal help. Also, I am sharing the pain experience is to warn other vehicle shoppers. Don't believe what the sales say. An unregistered vehicles regularly used or operated as demonstrators in the sales work of a dealer or unregistered vehicles regularly used or operated by a manufacturer in the sales or distribution work of such manufacturer is defined as a "used vehicle" by CA law. (Wish I knew it before.)
if the demo car is techinically "new" because it has never been titled, then what do the dealer write on the purchasing contract? New or Used?
It will tell you when the car was originally titled, where and when it was "resold".
I'm sure some of the laws governing this somewhat-shady practice varies by state. To my knowledge, a car can always be considered "new" as long as it has never been titled. However, a dealer MUST always honestly and openly disclose all mileage.
It completely sucks that this happened to you. The only advice I could offer is for you to contact your local Better Business Bureau. They probably won't be able to help you directly, but I'm sure they can provide some resources for you to consider. Contacting them would be a great first step.
As for your question about demo cars: I talked to my friend again today about your post (my friend who I mentioned in my previous post who used to be a salesman at a local Ford dealership) and he said that, in Virginia, demos can be sold as "new" as long as there has not been any major damage or repairs on the car. "Major repairs" only include those where a claim was filed with the dealer's insurance company. If it was just a minor repair, the dealer probably had his own shop fix it, and no one would ever know anyway.
I hope some of that information helps.
Please keep posting and let us know what happens.
What is a fair price people on this forum have got for a basic Sonata? If i have to pay 18-19k I would look for Accord/Camry. Hyundai's are popular because of their price and offcourse other reasons.
Any advice/PM will be greatly appreciated as I am in need of a new car desperatley.
Thanks much
Cash For Clunkers ends on Monday; after that, prices will fall again, as the propped up prices from the C4C can't be supported. You might lose some of your choices in color, etc., but for a no frills 2009 GLS I4 Auto, no PEP, you shouldn't pay more than $14500-$15000 pre TTL, at most (and probably a decent bit less). Since California is California, TTL is likely to be somewhat outrageous, but regardless, $18K itself for a bare GLS I4 Auto sans PEP is quite high. You should probably see substantially better pricing in about two weeks.
I can tell you that, in Virginia, I paid $14,500 OTD for a '09 GLS manual transmission back in April (pre-CFC). The $14,500 price included floor mats, mud guards, that silly Blu-Tooth (which I will never use), and iPod cable.
You may not be able to snag that price in California (as the cost of living is higher), but I assure you: the longer you wait the more bargaining power you have!!!
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks
and Tax, Tag and Title.
You might want to look the Sonata up on this website to see what is included in the PEP and decide whether or not you want it.
Any numbers on what folks had to pay for TTL in Calif? That should be standard for PEP/nonPEP.
As for the TTL in Cali, the first T (Taxes) is very much dependent on the price you negotiate to pay for the car; no one can tell you what that is in raw dollars until you have your final price; it's a direct percentage of the total purchase price of the car (give or take; some states count pre-rebates, most post-rebate, some include pre-tradein, most don't), and the rate varies by state, you can look it up for California online, if you need to, although remember that some cities and counties impose yet another tax, though it's typically pretty low, in addition to the base state tax. Tags and Title is straightforward, however; Tags cost is dependent on the plates you get, and is controlled by the California DMV; want specialized plates, pay more, etc. This is pretty much a constant for ALL cars in the state, unless they are in some special category, and in most states, it's not that much ($20-$50/year; the dealership will end up getting you one year, after that, you're on your own). Title is a one time charge that the states put on cars when they change; typically, it's something on the order of $100 or so in most states, but again, it's probably a fixed amount, and you can look it up at the California DMV's website.
I don't know about CA, but here in GA 'Title' is a profit center for the dealer, costing $200-400, depending on the dealer, for what probably takes a clerk 10 minutes. Once you've paid for the tag, you still have an ad valorem tax on the car that is due by your birthday.
At about 5 p.m. E.DT on Sun afternoon (9-23-09), a salesman from King Hyundai called my cell phone and after discussing the condition of this vehicle; that the actually mileage was less than 9,000; and with him agreeing to fax me the CarFax, so that I would have it in the morning (which didn't happen??), we made the deal.
He was to send me the paperwork this morning (Monday) after his Monday morning sales meeting, and after receiving this paperwork, I was going to wire a substantial deposit to hold the vehicle. We had a verbal contract - A DEAL.
O.K. Everybody's happy... Wrong!!!
This morning (Monday – 8-24-09) at a little after 10 a.m. - CDT, the salesman calls and says that the Santa Fe was SOLD last night!!!
What!! Yesterday, he told me that they closed at 6 p.m. EDT. If he and I were on the phone off and on until about 5:50 p.m. EDT, then how could they have sold my Santa Fe?? He sheepishly said that another salesperson had sold the car while he was on the phone to me
I didn't believe a word of it. You see, when he called me on Sunday afternoon, I asked him for his best OTL (Off The Lot) price, and he started to say, "the asking price is $24... but I could let you have it for... let’s see 21.4.." That is when I interrupted him and said that 'ya' better check your web site".
He did that, and I could hear him checking with someone else before he came back to me. At which time he said o.k. that the price on the web site was “his best deal”. So, before 6 pm EDT, the web price of $18,790 was the price to which we both agreed.
In their Monday morning sales meeting King Hyundai sales managers must have realized that they could get more money for that vehicle, and they had a case of "seller’s remorse". So, they pulled it...
Actually, at 10:20 a.m. CDT, I checked the King Hyundai web site and this Limited (same photos and vin number) was still on their web site the $18,970 price???
But by 10:50 a.m. CDT is this same “SOLD VEHICLE” was on their web site for $20,995!!!!! Yeah, it's the same mileage /photos / vin number!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just at a $2,225 higher price!!!
So, a few minutes later, I had a buddy call King Hyundai and ask their internet sales manager, Theresa Race, about the Santa Fe Limited listed on the their web site at $20.995, and she told him that “there had been a lot of interest in this vehicle, but it had been listed on the internet at the wrong price” and that “$20,995 was the ACTUAL price” She told him he could come by and test- drive it today! Pretty good for a SOLD VEHICLE!!!!
I then called King Hyundai, looking to speak to the internet sales manager, but the call was answered by the same salesman, ALEX, who made the deal with me. He was surprised to hear my voice and he acted shocked that the Limited was not sold. He claimed no knowledge of this and asked that I not “kill the messenger” that he was just the lowly salesman. He then showed his true colors when he stated that as I had not signed any paperwork, that we “didn’t really have a deal anyway” I explained the concept of a verbal contact... to no avail... But I didn’t get put through to anyone higher in the King Hyundai organization either
So, I then called Hyundai Motors of America in CA. Where a nice lady told me that she was starting a file number on my complaint (which she gave me), but that if any corrective action was taken by Hyundai America, those actions would be “internal actions” and that Hyundai Motors of America would not inform me of those actions if any. So, that means that I was basically told that I would not receive any help from Hyundai of Motors of America...
I then place two calls to Mr. Craig King, whom I was told was the owner of King Hyundai, with no return calls
So, as I see it: King Hyundai falsely advertised their vehicle, made and broke a verbal contact with me, lied to me about the selling "my vehicle" (i.e. the deal), and then told me that it never was a deal! Yeah and don’t forget that the salesman DID CHECK THE PRICE THAT THEY SET BEFORE AGREEING TO SELL ME THIS SANTA FE LIMITED.
So, take it my experience with King Hyundai in Deerfield Beach, FL for what it's worth...
Kyle