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Anyway, he said he'll need my car for at least a day because it needs to go to the body shop. Those must be some pretty crazy stains if they need at least a days worth of body shop attention. Gosh, if they were just stains, you'd think you could just wipe them off with alcohol or something.....
I'm sure we can have a civil conversation about this issue, and we can realize that different people have different perspectives. Nobody every got another person to change his or her mind about something by being derisive.
Find a way to disagree with each other politely or don't post the message, please.
Thanks.
The 6 should be good in the snow - if you want more re-assurance of it, buy 4 snow tires and you won;t feel winter at all.
Maybe some other 6 owners can jump in.
Dinu
I suspect that most people don't have a clue about the rust/staining issue and that's why they're buying the car anyway. Most people don't pay any attention to these discussions, if they even know they exist.
If their lawyers are worth anything they told Mazda NOT to call it rust!
I've had the car a year now and have autocrossed it a bunch of times. I'm ready to entertain any questions
Does your car have rust or were you one of the lucky ones?
btw folks, I've seen Steve autox his 6, this guy really makes the car go!!!! fast too!!
Please, whenever you folks find a rust dicussion beginning, and getting overly repetitive, and feel the need to spew and spout (as is your right) -take it to the Problems board.
And stop by the Buick Regal discussion on your way - its the scenic route Of course, the only way to enjoy that route is in a Mazda 6. Oh, what a quandary!
Any dealerships where YOU are have the new copper color, or the metallic ash color? I still have yet to see them myself (other than in pictures, and we all know that you can't go by colors in pics or on a computer).
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dinuone/detail?.dir=/Mazda3+Seda- n&.dnm=BeigeSedanGSFront.jpg
Dinu
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dinuone/detail?.dir=/Mazda3+Seda- n&.dnm=LavaSedanGFXSide.jpg
Dinu
The File You Are Looking For Is Inaccessible.
Please sign in and try again or check with the owner of the file.
Try this link: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/dinuone and see the sedan folder.
Dinu
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dinuone/detail?.dir=/Mazda3+Seda- n&.dnm=BeigeGSFront.jpg
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dinuone/detail?.dir=/Mazda3+Seda- n&.dnm=LavaGFXSide.jpg
PS: Dinu, yahoo changes the photo manager software this morning, and the old URL name convention gets screw up.
The engine really loves to rev-up into the power band quickly and the 5 speed box has loosened up nicely. Handles like it's on rails. I've had it up to 100 mph in a light crosswind and it felt very stable. The limited turing radius is painfully obvious at parking lot speeds though.
Fit and finish have been very good. A few more squeaks and rattles than I would have hoped for. The console controls can be confusing at night. Brake dust on the wheels seems a bit on the heavy side. I'll have to address that on replacement.
Best of all no "staining" anywhere so far. Build date 10/03 and VIN # N22395.
ZOOM ZOOM everyone.
I bring it up because it appears this may be a future carmaker battleground. The 2005 Mustang, which will be built in flat rock, will have a feature that allows the car owner to change between hundreds of dash color choices.
Is this a feature that anyone would find appealing???
Many different interior colors sounds like unnecessary expense for a car that has cheap materials to begin with.
Being able to change the background does sound cool. I personally love the electro-luminescent (sp?) guages, especially on Lexi, and the new Acuras. Super easy to read.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
- Mazda3 sedan Best New Economy Car
- Mazda3 Sport (hatch) Best New Sports Coupe or Sedan < $35,000
- Mazda6 ('04 model in Canada) Best New Family Vehicle
- RX-8 Best New Sports/Performance Vehicle
The overall car of the year will be announced later but the odds have got to be for a Mazda. From what I've seen, odds on favourite is the Mazda3.
Mazda Canadian sales are going to take off.
"IRVINE, Calif., Dec. 2 /PRNewswire/ -- Mazda North American Operations (MNAO) today reported sales of 19,306 units in November -- a 21.9 percent increase versus the same period last year. The increase was the best November year-over-year jump for Mazda in the past decade.
The company's strong month was led by its sporty Miata roadster, which posted a 32.6 percent increase in November sales. In addition, Mazda reported sales of 6,180 units for its MAZDA6 flagship sedan. Sales of the MAZDA6, which celebrated it one-year anniversary in November, continue to build momentum."
Dinu
461 Nov '02
1,581 Dec '02
2,254 Jan '03
2,720 Feb '03
4,014 Mar '03
4,480 Apr '03
4,930 May '03
7,645 Jun '03
6,254 Jul '03
7,328 Aug '03
5,341 Sep '03
6,194 Oct '03
6,180 Nov '03
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59,382 Total
This is only the 2nd 6 I've seen in this parking lot of nearly 1,000 cars. Very few sightings in Atlanta in general for me. Was back in my old home turf of west Michigan during Labor day and saw quite a few 6's on the road there (more than metro-Atlanta).
I wonder if all those '03s sitting on lots out there are getting this "fix"?
Well, first of all, you should read up a little more on the Mazda6. It was engineered in Germany and Japan. Yeah, the North American Mazda6 is made in Michigan, but the rest of them are made in Japan. Most Honda Civics and Accords are made in the US, and they're considered to be reliable cars, right? Same with the Corolla, Camry, Tundra, and more that I can't remember. The majority of "Japanese" cars sold in the US are made in the US.
If you want Japanese made car, your pickings are slim and usually expensive. Is the TSX made in Japan? I dunno. Have you checked out the Mazda3? That's made in Japan.
Toyota Camry--Georgetown, Kentucky
Honda Accord--Maryville, Ohio
Subaru Legacy/Outback--Lafayette, Indiana
Mazda 6--Flat Rock, Michigan
IMHO, I reject the notion that American car companies have inferior engineers or engineering. The Japanese companies (whatever that means) have just done a better job of building cars, while the Big 3 have focussed (pioneered really) minivans, SUVs, and trucks. If the Big 3 don't start building some exciting cars, though, they'll be sitting ducks waiting for Japanese to get the message on these more profitable vehicles. They're already starting to get the message, the Tundra was a good effort and Nissan's Armada looks like its a force to be reckoned with.
Build stylish, reliable, exciting, well engineered vehicles that address the needs of your consumers. Like Mazda, minus the rust.
My personal 5,000 mile update: car is still as solid as a vault, with no squeaks, rattles, CELS or other problems. I'd planned to upgrade the stereo, but I never use it -- I just enjoy the lack of rattles and the sweet purr of the engine. I've also decided against upgrading the 16" wheels, since the only reason to do so would have been cosmetic; the car's overall balance of ride, handling and road noise is so nice with the standard set up, I don't want to change it. Even a "stain" on the right rear door sill has not killed the enjoyment.
My main annoyance (still minor) is one that many cars are afflicted with now: the lag and non-linear throttle response caused by the TBW system. Oh, and the turning circle is a bit wide :-)
CL
I will be posting info as I get it on the MZ6 wagon board.
On the refinement front... the 6, IMO, is more refined in its driving dynamics than the Accord and Camry. However, the 6's stiffer suspension and more aggressive tires do cause more rattles and road noise, both of which are major factors in refinement. Refinement is generally measured by noise, vibration, and harshness (NVH), all of which the 6 has more of. However, those are easily looked over by driving enthusiasts. To the general public, it is the other way around.
Yeah the TSx is made in Japan.
I have seen like over 50 6's on the road since the car got introduced at this time last year.
The poor turning radius is due to the sophisticated dual lower ball joints. It allegedly lends us that musch desired road feel. even bimmers use(d) that suspension.
But yeah, the turning circle is lousy :-)
CL
Folks, it's the engineering that counts more. You can have the world's best build quality, but still put out a crappy or average car. So American car makers have come a long way in terms of producing well-engineered and designed cars, but I still don't think much of their design and styling is on par with their foreign competition (such as the 6).
Now sure, it would be nice to get a car engineered and built in Japan, but as others have noted, that's becoming a pretty rare thing. None of it guarantees anything, however -- you can still buy a dud. American manufacturing facilities have come a long way since the 1980s, and it doesn't affect my buying decision one bit that the car I'm purchasing is built here in the U.S. In fact, it makes me feel even better about the decision...
wonder what made them "drivers" drop these drivers car?
BTW, on the other hand, Consumer Reportsranked the Mazda6 higher than the Honda Accord.
Ex-Change of fortunes???