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Mazda6 Wagon
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Now, if the only way to get a manual was to buy the four, then I could see some sales going that way, but...
The six just makes more sense to me, if you're buying a car with even casual sporting pretensions (driving fun). Total weight disadvantage (sedan of course) for the six and its accoutrements is less than 200lbs with a manual and just over 200lbs with an auto. The attendant bump in hp (60) and torque (37) much more than offsets the difference, and the placement of those extra pounds seems well back of the front axle since they list the weight distro as 60/40 for either config. Worst case, the loading works out to 19.33 lbs per pony for the four against 15.04 lbs per pony for the six. Add in the extra pounds of a wagon and, well, yeesh!
The fuel economy with a manual four looks pretty advantageous, but if your bag is fuel economy, there are quite a few more frugal gigs out there, I'm thinkin'.
Just some thoughts as to four availability here.
Anyone no what the incentive may be in a couple months? thanks
I-man trans 8%
I-auto 35%
S-man trans 19%
S-auto 38%
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Thanks Rich. Well, that's an eye-opener!
Six would be fine for me, thank you very much. I can't even imagine a four with the four-speed auto. Well, actually I can imagine it. No thanks!
Somehow, though, I think that split will be different over here on the Best Coast. Even with the petrol prices, we're (I think) more displacement sensitive. Probably all just compensating or something...
I saw a Sepang sedan at the market yesterday afternoon. S'okay. The website is remarkably accurate, IMO, from that small sampling...
Thanks again, Rich!
MARTIN
There are some other wagons out there as well from the koreans. Also the Passat wagon and Jetta wagon are in the area. The Jetta is a little tight in the back seat, but still has a tad more cargo space than the 6. The Passat has the most cargo space of all with 39.
The new Passat diesel would be ideal for me, but no manual tranny, so no sale. It gets 27/38 mpg with the auto and has 250 lb/ft of torque. Being a diesel it won't have any of the coil pack problems that recent VW's have had.
Passat wagons range from low 20's to near 30k.
I hope Mazda offers a Nav with the 6 wagon.
Scott
So... Anybody with a MZ6 Wagon out there? Please share your experiences! We need some real wagon reviews.
Thanks
Martin
I pretty much had made my decision when I first saw the 6 Wagon at the Detroit Auto Show. I was annoyed that no domestic (I consider Mazda domestic now) manufacturers were offering what I wanted: a sporty mid-size wagon w/ a stick. As soon as I strolled by the Mazda booth, it was a done deal. The only question was how long I'd have to wait.
Now that the wait is over, I'm really happy with my purchase--all of the +'s of the sedan with more cargo room. And I have to say that I actually like the look of the wagon better than the sedan/hatch, because you can't seem to get an 'S' version w/o the boy-racer rear wing on the back!
I'm a little disappointed with the Bose package, however. My last vehicle had some 'funk in the trunk', and the bass in the Bose package just seems a little muddy to me. However, I also don't have a big chunk of my cargo room eaten up by speaker a speaker box anymore. The sub, by the way, sits inside the spare--pretty trick.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no competition for this thing. The only other options are either not available w/ a stick, considerably smaller, or considerably more expensive. Lot's of bang, reasonable buck. And I can even use my family Ford discount w/ 0% financing and $500 bonus cash. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside...
But neither is an option on the base GS Wagon - BIG mistake from Mazda I'd say! Of course GT offers the side airbags but is out of my price range.
As for the power hungry - I moved to Canada from the other side of the pond - 160HP inline 4 with manual is just enough for me!
So Mazda, pls make the I4 wagon with full airbag options available here!
Voi
I'm still debating between the 6 and the Legacy GT. The 6 has a great ride, still gotta test the 05 GT.
Compared to ANY of its closest competitors, it is the best car choice for the following reasons (in no particular order):
1) Initial Pricing/Value;
2) Safety;
3) Reliability;
4) Design Style -- both exterior/interior;
5) Ergonomics;
6) Driveability/Performance;
7) Practicality/Functionality;
8) Outside of the Status quo;
Anybody have more to add?
MARTIN
Two units came in and sold almost immediately. Right now he only has a couple of more on the way and is kicking himself for not ordering more. However, the 6 has been a slow mover north of the border and the Mazda3 has been going absolutely nuts.
I will be VERY interested to see what the introduction of the wagon and Sport does to the overall Mazda6 sales figures in Canada and in the States.
I think wagons are great, and the 6 wagon is going to attract alot of people, IMHO, but let's not kid ourselves, there are plenty of people that will still find them inadequate compared to what they have. My bro-in-law INSISTS that his Suburban is the only answer for his needs. And you'll find millions of folks who feel the same way about their beast of choice.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
A 4-cyl Mazda 6 wagon (if available) would get much better mileage, and would probably be faster than most SUV's. I pointed out before, because SUV's are so heavy even a Dodge hemi - Durango is about as fast as a 4-cyl manual Mazda 6 (8 seconds to 60 give or take).
There are some people who really use their SUV's. I live in SD, and know people with 5 kids that live miles from the nearest paved/plowed road. For them a Suburban makes more sense - or course they usually have a more practical car as well.
The 6 would easily outhandle any SUV, so they are different animals.
Exactly! I don't want to get into comparisons, first off, because this is not the place for them, but, secondly, we're talking about 2 very different vehicles with different intentions. And that's pretty much where I was heading in response to the last couple of posts which indicated folks should or would be trading their SUVs for wagons.
Again, I would love to get a wagon for my next vehicle, but I have absolutely no misconceptions about it actually replacing our Pilot.
On another note (although still kind of related), its interesting you bring up those other FWD wagons with better mileage, because the Mazda6 really pales in comparison to those as far as that specification goes. However, in relation to a benefit I was touting above, the Mazda has a far better power/weight ratio. Performance costs money.
By the way, EPA rating on the M6 is 19/26, so I'm not sure why you think you'll get near 30 with it. I could never get better than 23 in my 626, which had only a 2.5 V6, so I don't find efficiency to be Mazda's strong suit.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
The Passat TDI (just introduced) with more torque than a V-6 pilot gets 27/38 mpg. Very intriguing vehicle. I would be all over one if they offered a manual tranny.
I agree efficiency is not Mazdas strong suit. The Accord and Camry both get better mileage. The Accord at 26/34 is quite good for such a large/peppy 4-cylinder. Unfortunately those two do not make a wagon. For me the Subaru is very nice in many ways, but uses the most fuel of all and feels the slowest (in 4-cyl not turbo). If the Subaru had a non AWD, and/or a diesel, then that would jump way up my list.
I will say that of all the mid sized SUV's the Pilot does make some sence (as it is basically a reworked minivan) as it is fairly efficient for its size.
The small Hondas, for some reason, do usually do very well compared to their EPA numbers. I know plenty of folks with Civics who claim 40 mpg. But, unfortunately, that's just not true of just about every other manufacturer. I think its a safe bet that the real-world Mazda wagon mileage is going to fall dead in the middle of EPA estimates. But maybe some owners can soon give us the real scoop.
Hybrid SUVs. Now that's going to make the choice even fuzzier. Its interesting that those (for the time being) seem to be coming from those manufacturers that aren't giving us wagons. So we're going to have a choice of a purely gas/diesel powered wagon (subaru, mazda, VW) or a hybrid SUV (honda, toyota, chevy, ford). Where are the hybrid wagons?
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i can't argue for those folks. i agree with you. but i'm sure they can all come up with their excuses.
so does nobody know of a hybrid wagon from any manufacturer?
Mazda has got to get with the program, IMHO. I think they have one of the best economy-class 4-cylinders at their disposal and mating it to electric-assist would produce a heck of a car with 50 mpg.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
If Toyota'd released this version 2 years ago, my wife'd be driving it instead of her P5. However, they did announce they'd reapply their Hybrid Drive system to other vehicles in their fold in the next few years. I think a hybrid version of their Lexus SUV is first, though minivan and mid-size sedan (Camry-sized) hybrids are also planned.
Nobody else is even close. I think Nissan has already licensed Toyota's hybrid system, and I believe GM and Ford will be using it in their first hybrid vehicles, until they get up to speed on their own systems. Honda has their Civic and Insight hybrids. The Insight is best used as a commuter. The Civic has less trunk space than the regular version, and the rear seatbacks don't fold down.
Of course the Prius is much more versatile than a sedan.
This setup is considered too gutless for the North American market and I think Mazda is absolutely right about this: it is.
Mazda appears to have confirmed production of the a MazdaSpeed variant of the 6 that would boast a turbocharged 4 cylinder with approx. 280 HP and AWD. Will they offer that option on the wagon? Who knows.
Mazda execs in North America have been quoted saying that they want an AWD option for the Mazda6 model line-up, but that they won't be able to mate it with a V6 until after a 2008 or 2009 model year re-design. Will there be a turbocharged 4 cylinder AWD combo option in the meantime? I guess we will have to wait and see.
Well done if I do say so myself.
I really think the Sport Wagon is a bargin.
I test-drove the wagon a couple weeks ago. The only flaw I found was that cloth seats were scratchy. The same wagon is still on the dealer's lot. We'll see if the demand churns up more here on the West Coast.
Martin
My wife loves the 3 sedan. I love the way the 6 looks.
You maybe able to take off that emblem with some fishing string and use it to saw it off. My bro used this technique to remove the emblems on his Accord. You may want to ckeck it it has pins, then you can't take it off without leaving a hole.
Audi is nice, we had an 2001 allroad, but it had tons of problems... More than you'd expect for a 45k+ car. You'd expect 0 probs for that price...
? about the 220 hp? Does it feel like a real 220 or less. Some made comments that the 220 hp was an overstatement.