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I own a 1999 Grand Voyager w/ 48000.. my 2002 Odyssey is on the way, should be here w/in 2 weeks, and my dealer promised me $12000 in trade on the Voyager, shich I thought was very good...
Yesterday the transmission on the Voyager went and I need a new one... dealer says $2500-$3000 for new one...
I want retribution from Chrysler... I don't know what to do w/ the Honda that's on its way.. the $3000 cost out of pocket puts it out of my range especially if the dealer won't give me $12000 for it now... which is what I imagine would happen...
Does anyone know of any sites dedicated toward retribution for transmission problems from Chrysler....
PS. SInce 1986 I have been a honda owner with no problems on around 250,000 miles of driving... this was my first venture into American vehicles.. (we had newborn twins, needed a van and in 1999, couldn't wait the 6 months for the honda...)
Despite my patriotism and love of country, I will NEVER NEVER but anything from Chrysler, Ford or GM for as long as I live....
Thanks in advance,
Parker
Suspended air travel leads to parts shortage
Honda will suspend production at its Alliston, Ont., plant on Thursday due to problems in procuring parts from the United States, where air travel has been suspended.
rockycow
Do you own a computer? LOL. Computer is even worse. Is my PIII 500 Mhz a dog?
I got my 01 EX in July. I love it. I could wait till 2002 but I would not have enjoyed my summer vacation. 01 Ody gives you more than you need. I am wondering what kind of gas milage '02 240HP will get?
-d
Now I'm not so sure about trading in. I prefer my 5 spoke wheels to the new 7 spoke wheels. I also went to the effort of having a 7" widescreen DVD system installed, and it turns out you can't get the RES in Canada (what's with that?) so I'd have to get it installed again!
Anybody else do a back-to-back test drive?? Anyone know if you can have the Honda leather dealer installed?
You bring up a good point about the side air bags. Although I'd like them, they're not the most compelling reason for me to step into an '02. The '01 already rates extremely high in both NHTSA and IIHS tests (including side impact). I don't think I'm significantly compromising my family's safety.
As for trade-in, that is a valid point if you plan on selling the van in the next few years (or iftrading in now, like I might do). I plan on hanging on to my Ody for at least 7 years, so it has less impact on my decision.
I told him I could get a Honda warranty over the internet 7/100000/0 for $895.00. He said he would research it and to call him back. I called back in one hour and he said he could do a Honda warranty 7/100000/0 for $850.00. I was shocked!!!
I guess he found what I was paying: MSRP plus $1100.00 for accessories.
I'll give everyone the dealers name when I actually sign the paperwork. Dealers are always shady!!!
2002 GG RES due to be built 9/22 (before the war).
I explained to the Chrysler service manager that I had called Chrysler customer service and opened a file.. I also stated that I had seen references to an extended 'secret' warrenty on a site and that I thought Chrysler would pay at least half.. this got his attention..
2 hours later he called me and said that it was just a speedometer computer chip and that it would cost $100!!! But he then made sure that he had my ok to close the file on the incident...
I lucked out, but I can just imagine how may people get transmissions w/o needing them... I was ready to buy into it..
Bottom line... I'm back on track to get my 2002 Oddy as soon as it comes in.. I needed some good news this week.
Thanks for the advise though...
Parker
Still waiting for my 02 MB EX-L-RES. I suppose to receive it by the end of Sept., now the production/shipping date becomes unknown after the horrible thing, the dealer has no info at all. Patiently waiting.
My sister bought her SS LX in March and now is thinking about buying extended warrenty sice her old dodge died(head gasket blew) on her and was sold to junk yard for $150. I am looking at 7 yr/100,000/$0 deduct Honda-care and would appreciate if some one could point to a hassle free dealership/personal experience. What I am reading from this post is that that people are buying it around $895.
And also till what time can she buy it, i.e. before 12/36K miles. Right now she has only 4500m on her van. We live in Dallas/Ftworth area. Thanks in advance.
He also said another 2002 Ody MB EXL (leather) is avaliable by the end of this month too. If anyone lives in Charlotte NC area and wants to get the van, please let me know. I can tell you who to contact and get that VAN without waiting for months. You pay MSRP like what I do, I don't get any compensation for the tip.
Regards.
On another note. My saleslady called today and wanted to know if I wanter to pick my oddy next week. Is she crazy!!!!!! I was at work and kind of busy. I was so shocked that I could only think of a couple of questions before I had to hang up. I told her I would call her back. Before I hung up I found out this Oddy was from another dealership and they thought they had sold it but it didn't pan out. When I called my saleslady back, two hours latter, and asked when I could pick it up she said it was sold. I was under the destinct impression she had already sold it to me! How does that work?
Open mouth, insert foot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In particular, I'd like to thank whoever it was that posted about the dealer in Alhambra CA. It was frustrating waiting for days with all the local dealers who ignored my information requests. This guy emailed me back in 30 minutes, I got on the phone with him and we had a deal worked out in a few minutes. Collecting wife & kid, we went over that afternoon (Monday) and drove home that same night with our new car.
For what it's worth, we did end up paying $1k over MSRP (not $700), but then he had exactly what we wanted on the lot. From other posting, I gather that's something not very likely (shall I say impossible?). Other Westside LA dealers told me to take the deal since they are asking $2k over MSRP plus 4-6 weeks and won't deal, knowing they can sell anything that comes their way.
There was a little matter of fog lights, mudflaps and roof cross bars being added after the phone call, but I believe the guy when he said that wasn't his doing. He was out delivering a car and the dealership decided to prep the car as the showroom vehicle. Fortunately the guy put a stop to the work before they added the expensive stuff I didn't want. I'll accept these 3 items as somewhat useful options.
The little 17 month kiddo loves the van, she can get in and out and likes the view. After pulling a muscle last weekend wrestling the 24 pounder in and out of the old Camry back seat, it was definately time for the van. With #2 on the way, this was a no-brainer: get the van ASAP.
Must say this thing drives like a dream, almost as good as my Avalon and much much better than the 90 Camry. After driving many other vans for work, this one seems to be in a league of its own.
Willing to answer questions. It's about the only thing I can do to help give something back to a place that's helped us out so much.
I had driven a 2001 about 2 weeks before,and also the same day that our 2002 had come in,for fresh comparison test drives.These are my opinions
ENGINE&TRANNY:Sorry Phil47,but i noticed a fairly large differance in get-up-and-go,as soon as i turned out of the lot and PUNCHED it!That 5 speed tranny really helps in all gear changes,but is very strong in 1st/2nd gears,due to the hp/torque increase.
SUSPENSION/HANDLING:I did not detect any real improvements in this area,as Phil47 had said maybe this would be noticed more on the test track or a much longer test drive going over various terrain? Braking seemed to be a bit more precise on the 2002,but the 2001 having rear drums still felt strong.
INTERIOR/NOISE:WOW!!! YES,YES,YES,Phil47,the leather is a VERY nice incentive.I've never been an avid leather person,but my wife wanted heated seats (for our sometimes harsh winters)and they are probably easier to keep clean with little kids.Just seeing a leather van beside a cloth van,confirmed it was the right choice for us,the leather makes the Ody.look very UPSCALE indeed.As far as the noise level goes,the 2002 may have had a little less engine sounds emitting into the cabin,when i did not have my right foot to the floor,which wasn't very often hehe.
CONCLUSION:Seriously folks when i was researching for a new daily driver for my wife and 16 month old son,these were the top 3 reasons we choose the Ody.1)SAFETY,SAFETY,SAFETY oh plus
2)Interior Room
3)Dependability (cross our fingers)
The only other vans that we considered and that past in the safety department were the Toyota & Ford,but went with the Ody.for the above reasons.When people are buying vans to haul their loved ones around,do your research on SAFETY,pictures WILL tell the truth,you do not even need to read the fine print.Sorry for the long post,everybody enjoy their 2001 & 2002 Ody's
MILLI
1. I understand there is almost no negotiation on the price, everyone has to pay MSRP or up, but does everyone has to pay those extra dealer fees, like processing fee, prep fee... etc, other than the mandatory destination fee?
2. About the trim level, I read the brochure that if you opt for the navigation system, you can't have the DVD entertainment center, isn't that true? Can't have both ?
3. Also, I read somewhere that you can do some trick to the navigation system and make it a DVD player too, anyone out there knows how?
3. My friend who owns a 99' EX told me that he had to pay extra to the dealer to install the alarm system even though the EX came standard with the anti-theft system. Isn't the anti-theft system the same as the alarm sytem ? Did both of you opt for the alarm system or the 02'Ex already comes standard with that ?
4. soon2b4, how comes you did not have to wait in line for the new van like everybody does? As far as the accessories, I would buy at least the roof cross-bar online and intall myself because the roof rack that comes with the van is not useful without the bar, unless you don't mind scratching the roof when you use it. My friend had bought most of the accessories online and install himself, he bought the mudflaps, roof cross-bar, cargo tray, back-up sensor, etc..
5. I like his 99' EX EXCEPT the wind/road noise. it bothers him and me a lot. Every time he is cruising on freeway, he has to turn up the radio or speak up in order to overcome the wind/road noise. I hope the 02' model will minimize the noise, anyone out there has a chance to compare the 99' and 02' wind/road noise problem?
Thanks
After the unbelievable wait to get your Odyssey, that wait is really translating into remarkable resale value even this short time out. Just compare depreciation on a one-year old DC or Ford vs Honda. The Odyssey is the king of the road!
Even though the Ody is made in Canada,we canucks get bent over and done by Honda again,because the navigation/res systems are NOT an option for us.We were able to get our Ody in 1-1/2 weeks,because the dealer had the colour combination we were interested in,already made and being shipped to the dealership.So we put a deposit on this van,subject to colour approval.Well we can always get an aftermarket system put in if we so desire.Yes the EX 02's do come standard with the factory alarm,so we will only have to add on a remote starter and will be set for the Great White North winters eh!
Milli
As for the alarm, all the EX series come with engine immobilizers and keyless remotes. Although some may say this in not an alarm, as far as I and my insurance company are concerned, it's an alarm.
Since I've no plans to use the roof, the cross bars are something I don't care about. It's too high to reach anyway. As others have noted, there are better places than Honda to buy the accessories. We did decide to skip the trailer hitch and buy it later since it was ~$1k retail. I don't need the extra cooling since all I want is to carry my bicycle.
The car, excuse me, minivan is fairly quiet, even on the freeway. You know there is more space back there than in a sedan, but it's reasonably quiet. The ride is smooth. Found myself looking for excuses to drive it. For what it's worth, the hooks for grocery bags in the back well are not really all that worthwhile. The well itself is the best holder.
Guess we just got lucky with finding what we wanted without waiting.
Seriously, the 2002's have Amber (Yellow) turn signals in the rear -- all earlier Odysseys have red.
From the front, there are only 3 horizonal bars in the grill (Earlier models have 5, I think).
The wheels on the EX are different, but I'm not sure how noticeable that is.
02 has some new color like Blue and Red.
-d