blindmantoo , thank you for your reply. I am curious why you say that I have little to no chance of getting a custom order if you went through one yourself? The difference is that yours had lots of extras and mines just a basic one only from the specific location. I already singed papers with the dealer and made $500 deposit. I honestly do not see why is it unrealistic to get it from Japan? What’s a difference? Besides it is a basic V6 LE no extras so it should not take too long to build. If my dealer (after placing an order) can trade one that I want from another dealership- that is fine.
tjoost, thanks for the info. I got a phone call from the dealer yesterday and he stated that order still not places, they were trying to do an allocation and see what was coming to the sister dealerships. I would not mind them to look but I think that 1 week should be more them enough to collect that information. You have answered my question: so, after placing an order it have to be an order # and estimate production date. I hope that your car would arrive shortly. Do you know where is it assembled?
My salesman indicated the car is built in Georgetown, KY. He sent the note below explaining the process which was followed up by a note a couple of days later with the factory order number......
Thank you ordering your new Camry. I appreciate being allowed the opportunity to earn your business.
This is to confirm your order for a 2007 Toyota Camry XLE in Black (0202) with Bisque leather interior (LA40) and equipped as shown below.
MSRP for this vehicle is expected to be $28,230, and your Delivered Internet Price would then be $25,612 plus tax, tag fees, and the optional $99 tag processing fee. If you choose our Delivered Value Price (with every second oil change free, free loaner car for life, and 10% discount on parts and service), your price will be $369 more.
Your order is subject to availability and subject to any prices changes by the manufacturer. We will be obtaining the vehicle either from the inventory of another Toyota dealer in the area or directly from the factory. Your actual Delivered Internet Price will be Invoice plus $200 plus tax, tag, and processing.
You have authorized us to charge $100 to your Visa account # xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-x656 as a fully refundable deposit on your order, and I understand that you will be submitting a partial on-line credit application this morning.
As I receive information on the status of your Camry, I will pass this along to you. Factory orders for the 2007 Camry are currently taking from two to ten weeks, with four to five weeks being typical.
Again, thank you very much for your order and for the opportunity to work with you. I look forward to meeting with you in a few weeks with your new Camry.
My comment on having little chance of getting the car was in regard to specifing one built in Japan. If you are content w/ getting one built in either location, eventually you'll get a car. If you call Toyota, they will tell you that you cannot order a Toyota - I tried.
I know I asked this before but has anyone purchased a SE V6 in California recently? I went to the dealership here in Victorville today but they did not have any on the lot. They had lots of XLE's, LE's and several Hybrids. They are getting a couple in at the end of the month.
I asked about pricing on the SE here and they said about all they could do was $500 off of MSRP. I said that dealers down the hill were selling LE 4's down the hill for invoice and he told me they could do that too but that the SE was hard to get now and they would not deal as much. He did tell me they would deal on the XLE's but I did not ask how much.
All and all I was very impressed with the internet manager in Victorville. He seemed to be very honest and even told me that the SE's would probabaly come down in price later but now they were selling them as they came on the lot. Pretty much simple supply and demand. I would like to deal with them, because they are in the same town, but I have to go with the best price I can get.
I am looking at a Camry LE 4cyl. The only add-ons are, aluminum wheel upgrade($649), glass etching($199), carpet mat set($199), trunk organizer($109), and vehicle shield package($349). The total sticker price comes out to $22,955. How much can I talk them down from sticker price? What's a good rule of thumb to follow when doing so? I need to get this as cheap as possible because I have to carry over $3,000 from my current vehicle. Please help me figure out what I should pay OTD. Thanks in advance.
Go to Maryland Dealer www.fitzmall.com and find a LE model with only the basics that you want. They list the invoice price so you can work from there. I think that only the alloy wheels are worthwhile and your dealer can actually locate you a car without all the unnecessary profit makers you listed. Note that $100 is a REASONABLE Documentation Fee. Any above that is just profit. If trading in an old car,it's the difference that matters. Also that the Invoice in your area may be a hundred dollars or so above fitzmall. www.kbb.com is good but does not include the ADV (TDA) fees passed on to the dealer. Good Luck!
We're looking to buy a Camry 07 SE with V6 as engine. With all the problems I have read about the 4 cylinders on this car , I decided it would be better to go with a V6. The options we want are leather seats, 18' wheels and vehicle stability control. We don't want the other options. We're in the Potomac area, Maryland. So I'm wondering what the price of a similarly equipped car someone has recently paid in the area of Washington DC/North Virginia? Any input is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Phuc
looking at an XLE, 4cyl, leather, VSC in central New Jersey. Both dealers started at $1000-1100 off msrp. This seems pretty high for a camry since there is about a $3000 difference between msrp and invoice. List price of the car is $27,708. What would be a fair offer now? I did notice that the supply of camrys on the lots has been low, any ideas on this?
You must not know what options are on that vehicle.
With the options you stated plus Heated Seats, Mats and wheel locks, this car is only $27,724 MSRP - buy for $25,242. link title Sounds like you need to go back and read this forum if you want a better price.
You should never trade a car in which you have negative equity. That car has a lot of delaer extra profit items included. ORDER a car and avoid all the extra dealership crap. I never take a car off the lot. They do not have what I want and you end up paying more for it anyway. Glass etchings cost them less than $50.00.
You get a better price by ordering the car and I do not mean a LOCATED car. It is your money and your decision.
Hello there - I checked out the 2007 Camry Hybrid at two Atlanta-area dealerships today and am wondering what kind of deals/experiences others have had. Just looking for the basics on the car, no fancy options. (except leather!). Is he NAV system worth the extra outlay? I am also looking at Lexus IS 250, which is a lot snazzier and more comfortable (but a lot more expensive to buy and maintain, plus lower gas mileage). Thanks for the help and advice.
Well... it's for my sister, just a plain LE, automatic w/o extra options except the floor mats. It was the best price we could find around here at this time in So. Calif areas. She downed 10K and financed the rest thru her bank at 5.75%. However, I think we overpaid on extended warrany. I had no ideas what it should cost but remember it was about $1,600 when I ask for it early this year for my Camry '03. I kept saying no and prepared to talk tough to finish off the paperwork but she (women you know, easily to be convinced and always worry about safety) kept asking and about it and finally agreed to buy. The guy fist quoted it at $1795 then down to $1400 and $1300. I thought it could be at $1000 or max at $1200 but it was her car and she wanted to go home soon (think she's a bit sick standing outside in the cold looking for right color). I didn't bother to check its price before going since I didn't plan to get it. If you do, toyotawarranty.com has it at $1,170 now and you can wait till end of your 36mons or 36,000 whichever comes first to buy. The price may go up a bit by then though.
Lessons learned:
#1) You can easily find a lower price by using online quote and sending emails to dealer asking them to beat prices. This way you get lowest possible and know what options you will get in advance.
#2) 2nd negotiation battle is at the finnance guy's table. This is for the alram, and warranty, extra accessories blah blah... Saleman on the lot or internet manager only deal with price and built-in options. You have to say no and sometimes be rude to stop them from pressuring. I believe the lowest price you can get for warranty here will depends on how much you paid for your car. If you already paid low then they will try to make up by selling you higher warranty.
#3) If you're a guy buying for your sister, gf or mom and bring her w/ you, hahah... make sure you taught her to say no, no like in that Captical One TV commercial, lolz. It's hard to bargain when you have disagreement within your own family.
That's my buying experience... I won't have another one for a year or so. And oh, her Camry is built in Oct so probably won't have that transmission problem. About the warranty, I don't think we can cancel it now, right? Already drove the car home. But anyway, it's really not my money :-) The payment comes out still under the max she can afford so she's still cool about it even I told her she overpaid on ext. warranty, lolz...
Thanks everyone here for your advices.
PS. She got the 84mon/100K Platinum, $0 ded. for $1,300. This can definitely be lower. Someone here reported they got same mon/mile amount for $800 (not sure if it's Platium or Gold level) Another buyer said he/she shopped around at dealers and lowest they could get was $1,275. So I really have no ideas what its true price is. Best strategy for you is to say no and get it later.
Hello again - I spend some time last night thinking about the Camry Hybrid I looked at here in Atlanta yesterday and had a few follow up questions: 1. Keys - How many do you get when you purchase? The unit I drove had that push button start and I imiagine the keys are pretty expenive to replace 2. NAV system - How are the maps updated? Do you have to go back and purchase disks to update the system and if so, how much do they cost?
As I said, I am also looking at the Lexus !S 250, which is more plush, but will probably cost me more in the end (higher cost to buy and maintain). Thanks for the advice
It's easy for you to say "don't trade w/negative equity", some people get into situations where a 3000 hit may be reasonable fo them...NOT YOU! Not all of us are like you and able to waltz into dealerships and have them by the bawls at every turn. You're right, it's his money!
Again I call B/S on the Lexus cost more to maintain, have owned 10 and never had to take one back for anything. My TCH is well built car but not as plush leather ect as the Lexus. the lexus in a v-8 will burn more fuel. A hybrid Lexus should get fair milage, You get 2 key phobs with the TCH and yes like any other brand will be expensive if you loose one as they hardly ever go bad unless dipped in water or run over lol. Nav system is a software update at around $150 per pop.
Thank you Regal1945 for your posts. Very helpful as I try to make my decision between the Camry Hybrdi and Lexus IS 250. I read (on other boards) that this Lexus had to have its tires replaced at 15,000 miles and same with brakes - that's why I was/am concerned that it would cost more to buy (higher price), maintain (the tires/brake), and operate (uses premium fuel). In any event, I appreciate the info.
I got my ext. warranty cancelled easily. You're allowed to do that and get full amount refunded within 60 days if you haven't brought it in for any service. The finance manager said he'll send in paperwork and I'll get my check for the refund in a month or so... They seem to be honest & easy going dealer, except for the high pressure warranty & alarm sale which is understandable and common with any dealers.
My Nissan products ate rotors up like crazy. I can't see the IS250 being any worse than a regular Camry. However the TCH should be easier on brakes than about any other car around since a lot of your braking is with the regin system and not the hydraulic brakes.
I find it interesting the cars you're comparing. I too was interested in the IS but found it a tad small for my primary vehicle. I decided to go for the high mpg (currently averaging 39.22 over 15,200 miles) and get the hybrid. I am in hopes though that at the end of the three years (to keep my tax credits in WV) that the ES350 is available with the hybrid system. If the IS ever became available with the high performance Lexus set up (v6 and hybrid) I'd probably be willing to live with the size and a little less FE.
If you take the car to the Lexus delaer I believe it would cost you more to maintain, I see several lexus drivers bring the cars in to my Toyota delaership to have the service done as it cost them much less here than at Lexus
In the US you can have your service done anywhere but you need to keep detailed receipts to validate the service should you ever have a warranty issue.
Hi I am planning to buy 2007 Toyota Camry LE in Kansas State. One of the dealer quoted me the price of $19,700(with documenation charges + mats). Is it worth? any one got any good deal than this in any of the dealer? Please let me know, am in hurry need to buy vehicle in 2 days..
I was interested in a 2007 Camry SE 4yl with the following options:
CA,RF,CF,SR & EJ. The MSRP of the car is $24,899 & the Invoice from Edmunds is $21,933 however the dealer is saying the invoice is $22,320 (Includes TDA of $377 & fuel charge of $10). The dealer was nice enough to fax me the original Invoice which tells me that he is trying to be fair (??)
Wanted to know if I can negotiate the TDA fee or not. I need to pick up the car this week.
BTW this is for a car I am purchasing in the SFO Bay Area, Northern Calif.
I think this is a good price.. www.fitzmall.com indicates that the invoice is $19,731 for this same car in the Central Atlantic region. $99 is to be added for DOC Fees.
The invoice price does not include any fees that may be charged by the manufacturer to dealers in a particular area of the country, such as local advertising fees. Edmunds.com does not track or provide such local fees.
If an advertising fee appears on the invoice, it is an actual cost that the dealer paid to the manufacturer when buying the vehicle. In other cases dealers may choose to write in their own ad fees on the consumer sales contract. However, in either case these advertising fees are just one example of the dealer's cost of doing business. As with all such dealer-itemized fees, consumers should treat as "negotiable" any advertising fee they are asked to pay.
Many consumers attempt to determine the dealer's "actual cost" for a vehicle and then "allow" for the dealer to make some profit. However, the invoice price is almost always higher than the amount the dealer actually ends up paying to the manufacturer. This results from a variety of discounts offered to the dealer that do not appear on the invoice. The two most common discounts are "dealer holdback," and "manufacturer-to-dealer cash" - both of which are available on Edmunds.com - but there are often others that are not generally known and that are based on other factors (for example, the dealer's sales volume for a particular month).
Accordingly, determining the dealer's actual net cost is difficult even for seasoned automotive insiders. This is why we developed the Edmunds.com True Market Value® (TMV®) pricing system, which is our determination of what other consumers are actually paying for the vehicle. The TMV® accounts for the effect of all of the manufacturer's extra charges as well as the dealer's hidden subsidies, and we believe it is the most important price to know when negotiating your purchase.
Hello. This is my first post to the site. I have been doing some research on Edmunds over the past few days in preperation for purchasing a new car for my wife. After much though, we have decided on a Toyota Camery SE V6. I live near the coast in North Carolina and I have called all around to the Toyota dealers in the larger cities that are hours away hoping to get a better deal. The dealer that has given me the best price is located about an hour away. Here is the rundown, tell me what you think.
Camery SE V6 (6 Speed Auto) Options: Tilt/Slide Moonroof (SR), Carpet Mats and Truck Mat (PV50), Window Tint (TW), Leather Faced Seats (LA) MSRP: $28,176 Dealer Invoice Price: $25,604 (As stated by dealer) Dealer Invoice Price: $25,177 (As stated by Edmunds)
Negotiated Price: $25,601 (before $399 doc fee, tax, tag etc)
I feel like I negotiated a pretty good price. I think that a $399 doc fee is a joke! I know that its not quite as low as some of the prices that I have seen at fitzmall.com. After I considered my trasportation costs and the hassle to drive up North to purchase the vehicle, I decided that this may be my best option. Please let me know what you think. Thanks. :confuse:
I don't know how NC works but I would guess that the doc fee is just another way to up the profit margin. On the other hand $400 over invoice seems pretty good for an SE V6.
I have not really started to look for one yet but I got a call today that they had some V6 SE's in. The dealer told me he had great news. (They always seem to have great news) He told me they were having a sale on the SE's and they were $1000 off of MSRP. I just laughed and reminded him that they had already offered me about $2000 off MSRP on another SE. I told him to call me back when he can do it for a couple of hundred over invoice. I had a dealer offer me $100 over invoice on an XLE the other day. I really like the SE but I am not willing to pay the premium they seem to want right now. I might end up with the XLE. I think my wife likes it better anyway.
Thanks for the reply. I feel like I'm getting a pretty good deal on the car, especially because of the seemingly short supply of V6 SE's. One of the dealers that I spoke to said that only 20% of the SE Camry's that Toyota make are V6. One reason I think that I was able to negotiate the price that I got is because this car was slated to go to another dealer. Since he didnt have it on his lot, he wasnt able to hold out for more from another buyer.
One of the dealers that I spoke to said that only 20% of the SE Camry's that Toyota make are V6.
That seems to me like another dealer "BS" comment to convince you to pay a premium or to make you feel "special" with the deal (which is an OK thing). Let's see, 20% of 400,000 cars means they plan to sell about 80,000 V6SE's. Considering the Camry sells to a lot of folks as a family car (XLE's) and an economical commuter (base models) and just a basic appliance car (LE's), then finding 80,000 people that want a Camry with spoilers is about where Toyota marketing figures the sales point should be. In other words, 20% supplies the expected market, it does not make it "limited" or a short supply car and as such it will, if not already, soon be discounted like any other Camry. Those of us that paid MSRP for the hybrid model had to do so because of two factors. One is the new camry design was hot, but the other was the backed up demand for the hybrid and getting it for the tax credit expiration date. Had it not been for the tax credits, I would have simply waited until they were sitting on the lots unsold and expect a discount. It will eventually happen to the hybrids (if they indeed make 4000/month) and it most certainly will happen with the SE. There is just too much good competition for the SE for it to not compete financially with its competitors. Then again it's just my opinion.
Let's see, 20% of 400,000 cars means they plan to sell about 80,000 V6SE's.
This math is incorrect. I think what you meant to say was "20% of 400,000 cars means they plan to sell about 80,000 V6s TOTAL of all model types (including LEs and XLEs)." So in reality, if the V6s they make are spread around evenly to the 3 models, that means they plan to sell between 25K and 30K SE's....not 80K. So, they would be quite a bit more limited than you thought.
You're right I didn't look at his comment close enough
So, they would be quite a bit more limited than you thought.
However my point is still valid. Toyota marketing will determine the split on the vehicles based on what they think will sell. Toyota is not into the building of limited edition vehicles. If 30,000 is indeed the number I assure you that is where they think the demand will be. The initial flush of interest always skews the demand numbers but they won't want customers walking away because they can't get an SEv6. However they may indeed loose a few to the competition while they work towards meeting the initial demand.
Bottom line, many people that just has to have the first one usually pay $1000+ over what they would if they wait 6 months. To some people that's OK. However to many that's a lot of extra $$$'s to spend, especially when I read on these postings a lot of "did I get a good deal" postings.
The real question should be is this the best deal I can get. If I made less than $40,000/yr or so, I would say no, you need to wait. If your income is such that you can blow an extra $1000 then go for it.
In this particular case I believe the deal was good anyway. The processing fee was high, but it will probably be a geographical thing and he's pay that no matter which dealer he goes to unless he's willing to travel.
I believe the dealer gave some "feel good about the deal" comments which is OK because they didn't gouge him. many other posters though in the last few months have indeed paid MSRP or close to get their SE because the dealer claimed they were "limited". Yes they are limited to how many Toyota can build as quickly as they can to meet demand. But that does not make them a "limited" vehicle as in "collectable" such as a Ford Cobra or other limited production run vehicles.
Ask the poor suckers who bought PT Cruisers a few years back for $2000 over MSRP if they got a good deal.
What should I pay? I want leather, navigation, vehicle stability control; rear spoiler, heated seats. Edmunds is saying 29,600-29,800. Has anyone done better? I'm in Washington state. Thanks.
What should I pay? I want leather, navigation, vehicle stability control; rear spoiler, heated seats. Edmunds is saying 29,600-29,800. Has anyone done better? I'm in Washington state. Thanks.
I don't know if you left out options or not but I get an MSRP of $28,925 and dealer invoice of ~$26,000 for what you listed.
I bought a similar vehicle the first week they were out in March w/o the NAV and Spoiler but with Floor mats for $300 over dealer invoice. It was $24,937 +TTL. This was in the Seattle area.
You can pay anything you want to!
If I was buying one now, I wouldn't pay over $200 above dealer invoice.
Hello all I am looking to buy a 07 Camry SE (standard w/4cyl), but i dont know how much i should pay for it . IF anyone have already purchased one please let me know how much did the car cost OTD . Thank You
Don't know if it's too late for sreeb, but FWIW Feld Toyota in St. Louis was advertising Camry LE 4 cyl (only option is mats) for $19,307 with "15 in stock". When I showed up they had 12 in stock. One happened to be the color I wanted, and only had 3 miles on it (didn't want one that had been driven, although I thought the dealer etc. drove them a few more miles than that to check for bugs). Test drove it and signed the paperwork. Their doc fee is $125. Total I owe dealer is $19,432, then add TTL.
Another dealer i St. Louis was advertising them for something like $19,188 with 20 in stock. Looks like inventory is building a little.
WRT the LE 4 cyl selection above, I was all over the map. Outside of the BMW 3 series, the 3 cars I loved were the new Lexus ES350, the Civic, and the Camry. All are expected to be reliable, safe transportation. Since this car is just to get back and forth to work, I ruled out the ES350. And because I need some flexibility in size due to the kids, the Civic dropped out. Finally, at $19,XXX the Camry was ideal for my situation especially with a bit better EPA mileage figure than the 6 cyl. The 4 cyl was surprisingly quiet at 60-70 mph. And while it doesn't have the nice growl of a 6 cyl, the 4 cyl didn't have that "typical" (to me) 4 cyl cheaper sound.
Thanks, that was helpful. It was "fully loaded" so I did leave out just a couple of things. FYI, after a fair amount of haggling, the dealer I was at was pushing hard for $28,000, plus TTL, claiming he couldn't turn a profit any less. Whatever. Perhaps a really dumb question, but where is the best place to get the info on the "real" invoice number? And stupid question number 2, is the reason dealers can sell $200-$300 over invoice because they really don't pay invoice or because of manufacturer give backs for selling a certain number of cars?
If you want the best deal, don't go to a dealer until you pick up the car. Read this forum (from the beginning) for how to shop.
If you don't care about saving money go to the dealer and haggle.
Dealer invoice is the manufacturers invoice (edmunds.com or kbb) + TDA (~ $500).
The dealer gets a holdback from the manufacturer off the invoice price. If they are a volume seller, a few hundred over invoice plus their holdback makes them a lot of money + their parts and service margins.
You should be able to buy for $2,500-3,000 under MSRP. Just don't fall for the dealers tales of woe or their extended warranty, special coatings, etched windows, Lojack and all their other high margin crap.
I bought my Carmy LE, yesterday. OTD price was 22,267. I took a warranty of 7yr/100,00 miles and 4yr/55,00 maitenance also teflon coating thing total which came up to 25,500. I am now thinking that I did a wrong thing by taking that 7yr/100,00 warranty thing as we anyhow have a 3yr/36000 warranty for toyota. Can I go back to the dealer and say that I want to take that off and adjust the whole thing ??.. I bought this car in Memphis,TN at Performance Toyota.
My local Toyota dealer offered me $19,500 for 2007 Camry LE 4cyl Automatic with floor mat option only.($19,500 includes destination charge $620) I checked out Edmunds website, it says invoice price is $19,338.Is this good price?
I'm not sure what you actually individually paid for each the warranty, maintenance or teflon "thing" but you should be able to cancel the warranty if you want. I believe in addition to the 3yr/36,000 basic warranty you also have a 60,000 powertrain warranty. Do you need a 7/100,000? Depends on your level of risk acceptance and perhaps your financial situation. Financing a warranty for 5-6 years with no future worries for repairs may not be a bad thing. However did you get a good deal? There are posters here that discuss that (and you don't have to get the extended warranty from your dealer) Shop for it, I on this site believe most posters who purchased the 7/100 have gotten it for $860 to less than $1100. I have not purchased one yet for my TCH but I do plan on purchasing one prior to my car reaching it's 36,000 mile birthday.
As for the service warranty, only getting a 55,000 warrant means they won't be providing the 60,000 mile service, which is probably the only real "big" service cost. You should be able to calculate what 55,000 miles of service will cost and see if you got a good deal. In 55,000 miles you'll have 9 oil services ($30-$40) along with the 15K, 30K and 45K services. My 15K service was $129 (includes oil service). The 30K is about $250 (includes alignment).
I'm not sure what the teflon "thing" is but it sounds like a high dollar, low value dealer addon.
My bad, I did not mention it properly. Besides the OTD price of 22,267. I took the following. 1. 7yr/100,00 maile warranty. -- $1495 2. 4yr/55 thousand maintenace -- $1095 3. Teflon coating for exterior and interiors -- $116.50
After I signed everything, and checked this site I relaised that 1495 for that 7yr/10,000 was a bit on higher side. More over as you said, its sensible to take this extended warranty after the 36,000 miles. I'll take to the dealer and take that 7yr/100,00 warranty thing off so that I can be content that I didn't pay more...
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I got a phone call from the dealer yesterday and he stated that order still not places, they were trying to do an allocation and see what was coming to the sister dealerships. I would not mind them to look but I think that 1 week should be more them enough to collect that information.
You have answered my question: so, after placing an order it have to be an order # and estimate production date.
I hope that your car would arrive shortly. Do you know where is it assembled?
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Dear Mr. XXXX:
Thank you ordering your new Camry. I appreciate being allowed the opportunity to earn your business.
This is to confirm your order for a 2007 Toyota Camry XLE in Black (0202) with Bisque leather interior (LA40) and equipped as shown below.
MSRP for this vehicle is expected to be $28,230, and your Delivered Internet Price would then be $25,612 plus tax, tag fees, and the optional $99 tag processing fee. If you choose our Delivered Value Price (with every second oil change free, free loaner car for life, and 10% discount on parts and service), your price will be $369 more.
Your order is subject to availability and subject to any prices changes by the manufacturer. We will be obtaining the vehicle either from the inventory of another Toyota dealer in the area or directly from the factory. Your actual Delivered Internet Price will be Invoice plus $200 plus tax, tag, and processing.
You have authorized us to charge $100 to your Visa account # xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-x656 as a fully refundable deposit on your order, and I understand that you will be submitting a partial on-line credit application this morning.
As I receive information on the status of your Camry, I will pass this along to you. Factory orders for the 2007 Camry are currently taking from two to ten weeks, with four to five weeks being typical.
Again, thank you very much for your order and for the opportunity to work with you. I look forward to meeting with you in a few weeks with your new Camry.
Warm regards,
Fitzgerald Auto Malls
I asked about pricing on the SE here and they said about all they could do was $500 off of MSRP. I said that dealers down the hill were selling LE 4's down the hill for invoice and he told me they could do that too but that the SE was hard to get now and they would not deal as much. He did tell me they would deal on the XLE's but I did not ask how much.
All and all I was very impressed with the internet manager in Victorville. He seemed to be very honest and even told me that the SE's would probabaly come down in price later but now they were selling them as they came on the lot. Pretty much simple supply and demand. I would like to deal with them, because they are in the same town, but I have to go with the best price I can get.
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Note that $100 is a REASONABLE Documentation Fee. Any above that is just profit. If trading in an old car,it's the difference that matters.
Also that the Invoice in your area may be a hundred dollars or so above fitzmall.
www.kbb.com is good but does not include the ADV (TDA) fees passed on to the dealer. Good Luck!
We're looking to buy a Camry 07 SE with V6 as engine. With all the problems I have read about the 4 cylinders on this car , I decided it would be better to go with a V6. The options we want are leather seats, 18' wheels and vehicle stability control. We don't want the other options. We're in the Potomac area, Maryland. So I'm wondering what the price of a similarly equipped car someone has recently paid in the area of Washington DC/North Virginia? Any input is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Phuc
With the options you stated plus Heated Seats, Mats and wheel locks, this car is only $27,724 MSRP - buy for $25,242. link title
Sounds like you need to go back and read this forum if you want a better price.
You get a better price by ordering the car and I do not mean a LOCATED car. It is your money and your decision.
Lessons learned:
#1) You can easily find a lower price by using online quote and sending emails to dealer asking them to beat prices. This way you get lowest possible and know what options you will get in advance.
#2) 2nd negotiation battle is at the finnance guy's table. This is for the alram, and warranty, extra accessories blah blah... Saleman on the lot or internet manager only deal with price and built-in options. You have to say no and sometimes be rude to stop them from pressuring. I believe the lowest price you can get for warranty here will depends on how much you paid for your car. If you already paid low then they will try to make up by selling you higher warranty.
#3) If you're a guy buying for your sister, gf or mom and bring her w/ you, hahah... make sure you taught her to say no, no like in that Captical One TV commercial, lolz. It's hard to bargain when you have disagreement within your own family.
That's my buying experience... I won't have another one for a year or so. And oh, her Camry is built in Oct so probably won't have that transmission problem. About the warranty, I don't think we can cancel it now, right? Already drove the car home. But anyway, it's really not my money :-) The payment comes out still under the max she can afford so she's still cool about it even I told her she overpaid on ext. warranty, lolz...
Thanks everyone here for your advices.
PS. She got the 84mon/100K Platinum, $0 ded. for $1,300. This can definitely be lower. Someone here reported they got same mon/mile amount for $800 (not sure if it's Platium or Gold level) Another buyer said he/she shopped around at dealers and lowest they could get was $1,275. So I really have no ideas what its true price is. Best strategy for you is to say no and get it later.
1. Keys - How many do you get when you purchase? The unit I drove had that push button start and I imiagine the keys are pretty expenive to replace
2. NAV system - How are the maps updated? Do you have to go back and purchase disks to update the system and if so, how much do they cost?
As I said, I am also looking at the Lexus !S 250, which is more plush, but will probably cost me more in the end (higher cost to buy and maintain). Thanks for the advice
I find it interesting the cars you're comparing. I too was interested in the IS but found it a tad small for my primary vehicle. I decided to go for the high mpg (currently averaging 39.22 over 15,200 miles) and get the hybrid. I am in hopes though that at the end of the three years (to keep my tax credits in WV) that the ES350 is available with the hybrid system. If the IS ever became available with the high performance Lexus set up (v6 and hybrid) I'd probably be willing to live with the size and a little less FE.
I am planning to buy 2007 Toyota Camry LE in Kansas State. One of the dealer quoted me the price of $19,700(with documenation charges + mats). Is it worth? any one got any good deal than this in any of the dealer? Please let me know, am in hurry need to buy vehicle in 2 days..
Help would be appreciated
CA,RF,CF,SR & EJ. The MSRP of the car is $24,899 & the Invoice from Edmunds is $21,933 however the dealer is saying the invoice is $22,320 (Includes TDA of $377 & fuel charge of $10). The dealer was nice enough to fax me the original Invoice which tells me that he is trying to be fair (??)
Wanted to know if I can negotiate the TDA fee or not. I need to pick up the car this week.
BTW this is for a car I am purchasing in the SFO Bay Area, Northern Calif.
The invoice price does not include any fees that may be charged by the manufacturer to dealers in a particular area of the country, such as local advertising fees. Edmunds.com does not track or provide such local fees.
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Accordingly, determining the dealer's actual net cost is difficult even for seasoned automotive insiders. This is why we developed the Edmunds.com True Market Value® (TMV®) pricing system, which is our determination of what other consumers are actually paying for the vehicle. The TMV® accounts for the effect of all of the manufacturer's extra charges as well as the dealer's hidden subsidies, and we believe it is the most important price to know when negotiating your purchase.
Camery SE V6 (6 Speed Auto)
Options: Tilt/Slide Moonroof (SR), Carpet Mats and Truck Mat (PV50), Window Tint (TW), Leather Faced Seats (LA)
MSRP: $28,176
Dealer Invoice Price: $25,604 (As stated by dealer)
Dealer Invoice Price: $25,177 (As stated by Edmunds)
Negotiated Price: $25,601 (before $399 doc fee, tax, tag etc)
I feel like I negotiated a pretty good price. I think that a $399 doc fee is a joke! I know that its not quite as low as some of the prices that I have seen at fitzmall.com. After I considered my trasportation costs and the hassle to drive up North to purchase the vehicle, I decided that this may be my best option. Please let me know what you think. Thanks. :confuse:
I have not really started to look for one yet but I got a call today that they had some V6 SE's in. The dealer told me he had great news. (They always seem to have great news) He told me they were having a sale on the SE's and they were $1000 off of MSRP. I just laughed and reminded him that they had already offered me about $2000 off MSRP on another SE. I told him to call me back when he can do it for a couple of hundred over invoice. I had a dealer offer me $100 over invoice on an XLE the other day. I really like the SE but I am not willing to pay the premium they seem to want right now. I might end up with the XLE. I think my wife likes it better anyway.
One reason I think that I was able to negotiate the price that I got is because this car was slated to go to another dealer. Since he didnt have it on his lot, he wasnt able to hold out for more from another buyer.
That seems to me like another dealer "BS" comment to convince you to pay a premium or to make you feel "special" with the deal (which is an OK thing). Let's see, 20% of 400,000 cars means they plan to sell about 80,000 V6SE's. Considering the Camry sells to a lot of folks as a family car (XLE's) and an economical commuter (base models) and just a basic appliance car (LE's), then finding 80,000 people that want a Camry with spoilers is about where Toyota marketing figures the sales point should be. In other words, 20% supplies the expected market, it does not make it "limited" or a short supply car and as such it will, if not already, soon be discounted like any other Camry. Those of us that paid MSRP for the hybrid model had to do so because of two factors. One is the new camry design was hot, but the other was the backed up demand for the hybrid and getting it for the tax credit expiration date. Had it not been for the tax credits, I would have simply waited until they were sitting on the lots unsold and expect a discount. It will eventually happen to the hybrids (if they indeed make 4000/month) and it most certainly will happen with the SE. There is just too much good competition for the SE for it to not compete financially with its competitors. Then again it's just my opinion.
BTY, your deal sounds good
This math is incorrect. I think what you meant to say was "20% of 400,000 cars means they plan to sell about 80,000 V6s TOTAL of all model types (including LEs and XLEs)." So in reality, if the V6s they make are spread around evenly to the 3 models, that means they plan to sell between 25K and 30K SE's....not 80K. So, they would be quite a bit more limited than you thought.
You're right I didn't look at his comment close enough
So, they would be quite a bit more limited than you thought.
However my point is still valid. Toyota marketing will determine the split on the vehicles based on what they think will sell. Toyota is not into the building of limited edition vehicles. If 30,000 is indeed the number I assure you that is where they think the demand will be. The initial flush of interest always skews the demand numbers but they won't want customers walking away because they can't get an SEv6. However they may indeed loose a few to the competition while they work towards meeting the initial demand.
Bottom line, many people that just has to have the first one usually pay $1000+ over what they would if they wait 6 months. To some people that's OK. However to many that's a lot of extra $$$'s to spend, especially when I read on these postings a lot of "did I get a good deal" postings.
The real question should be is this the best deal I can get. If I made less than $40,000/yr or so, I would say no, you need to wait. If your income is such that you can blow an extra $1000 then go for it.
In this particular case I believe the deal was good anyway. The processing fee was high, but it will probably be a geographical thing and he's pay that no matter which dealer he goes to unless he's willing to travel.
I believe the dealer gave some "feel good about the deal" comments which is OK because they didn't gouge him. many other posters though in the last few months have indeed paid MSRP or close to get their SE because the dealer claimed they were "limited". Yes they are limited to how many Toyota can build as quickly as they can to meet demand. But that does not make them a "limited" vehicle as in "collectable" such as a Ford Cobra or other limited production run vehicles.
Ask the poor suckers who bought PT Cruisers a few years back for $2000 over MSRP if they got a good deal.
Patience Pays!
I don't know if you left out options or not but I get an MSRP of $28,925 and dealer invoice of ~$26,000 for what you listed.
I bought a similar vehicle the first week they were out in March w/o the NAV and Spoiler but with Floor mats for $300 over dealer invoice. It was $24,937 +TTL. This was in the Seattle area.
You can pay anything you want to!
If I was buying one now, I wouldn't pay over $200 above dealer invoice.
I am looking to buy a 07 Camry SE (standard w/4cyl), but i dont know how much i should pay for it . IF anyone have already purchased one please let me know how much did the car cost OTD . Thank You
Another dealer i St. Louis was advertising them for something like $19,188 with 20 in stock. Looks like inventory is building a little.
If you don't care about saving money go to the dealer and haggle.
Dealer invoice is the manufacturers invoice (edmunds.com or kbb) + TDA (~ $500).
The dealer gets a holdback from the manufacturer off the invoice price. If they are a volume seller, a few hundred over invoice plus their holdback makes them a lot of money + their parts and service margins.
You should be able to buy for $2,500-3,000 under MSRP. Just don't fall for the dealers tales of woe or their extended warranty, special coatings, etched windows, Lojack and all their other high margin crap.
Thanks,
VJ
I checked out Edmunds website, it says invoice price is $19,338.Is this good price?
As for the service warranty, only getting a 55,000 warrant means they won't be providing the 60,000 mile service, which is probably the only real "big" service cost. You should be able to calculate what 55,000 miles of service will cost and see if you got a good deal. In 55,000 miles you'll have 9 oil services ($30-$40) along with the 15K, 30K and 45K services. My 15K service was $129 (includes oil service). The 30K is about $250 (includes alignment).
I'm not sure what the teflon "thing" is but it sounds like a high dollar, low value dealer addon.
1. 7yr/100,00 maile warranty. -- $1495
2. 4yr/55 thousand maintenace -- $1095
3. Teflon coating for exterior and interiors -- $116.50
After I signed everything, and checked this site I relaised that 1495 for that 7yr/10,000 was a bit on higher side. More over as you said, its sensible to take this extended warranty after the 36,000 miles. I'll take to the dealer and take that 7yr/100,00 warranty thing off so that I can be content that I didn't pay more...
If you don't care about saving money go to the dealer and haggle.
I may be brain dead, but I've looked at these two comments all day and just have to ask, what are you trying to say?