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troutfshr. I like that handle. The Dodge has a lot going for it right now but I went with the Ford for all the little reasons. The quad cab works well but I dont like the vinyl covered door skins on the lower section of the rear doors. The Ford has thick plastic scuff plates instead. The 40 20 40 front seat has no locking provision on the Dodge to keep the center section back rest from flopping around when in the upright position, The Ford does. When you grab onto the steering column shroud in the Dodge and give it a squeeze, it squeeks, a sign that the plastic used in the interior is thinner than in the Ford. You will get a 38 gal fuel tank in the Ford, increasing range. The seat belts in the Dodge are attached to the seat itself, I dont like the lack of shoulder belt adjustment this allows. The ford also has the steel loading floor in the supercab, which I needed. Like I said its the little things that made me chose the Ford. Good luck.
just ordered F250 CC V-10, not diesel. To be honest, my wife and I can't handle the noise--although reportedly improved with the '99.
? on the hitch--does option 86R & 531 guarantee that an actual hitch will be on the vehicle when delivered(sometime in the Fall--I'm
sure!!) I heard latest backlog is 156,000+ sold units. Opion on sprayed beds--Rhino is a sure bet--saw two jobs last week camping at Cherrystone, VA. Perfect jobs--you won't go wrong. $384 for short bed!! Thanks! JB
Mike, what did you end up getting?
It may seem picky, but the 86R is a receiver, Class IV . It's a square hole staring back at you. The actual hitch you have to buy, depending on what type of trailer you intend to pull.(some have provisions for sway controls and for equilizer bars). Go to any new lot selling trucks; you will see trucks with receivers, but not the actual hitch.
Hope this helps.
For info purposes: On April 28,I ordered a 99SD F-250 XLT Extended Cab with V-10 Ponies and 3.73 rear axle. Projected time frame was 12-16 weeks.
Haven' heard a word about delivery date yet.
> To be honest, my wife and I can't handle the
> noise--although reportedly improved with the
> '99.
If you haven't driven the new diesel, please do so. I was going for the V10 for this very reason (currently drive a '93 7.3l CC). The new SD is quieter with the diesel then my old '89 460 was (from within the cab). I had to wind the window down and up again to double check -- the new cab design is *GOOD*!
Bonvec said:
> Am I to understand that if I order a cab and
> chassis the invoice will show a 300 decrease
> in base price . And don't that seem like a
> very low price for a bed.
You're thinking retail, not parts. $300 is an impressive credit from a parts cost perspective. And yes, it would be cheap retail -- I recently paid $800 for a new SRW bed for my '93 to fix it up for resale.
There was only one Line-X dealer around the Dallas area, and that was in Mesquite, and one in Tyler.(about 130 mi.)
There is also a product called Tuff which is a knock off of Rhino, it looks identical.
Which distributor did you go to to get your Rhino liner? And how much did it run you? I take it that you're happy with the application...
-Richard
color--DK Hunter Green--only because originally was told Deep Blue/Violet weren't available---
dealership knew nothing about oxidation problem. First mistake--called Cust. Assist.--at their 1-800 #. Their personnel really don't know the ins & outs of what's available & what isn't. The first attendant stated that Blue & Violet are available, if ordered with the Graphite Interior.
Here, confusion sets in. One local dealer checks his computer as well as his manager--they both concur that only the Deep Violet is available--enter the 2nd dealer--he states that both of those colors are not available due to the F250's being, as he stated" balanced
out" for the year. For the moment, I'm still at Hunter Green---and we only ordered the truck last week---consider this the first chapter!!
Have been looking at F250 SC LB w/V10 and F150 SC LB w/5.4L V8 (both loaded for hauling daughter's horse)and NOBODY has what I need/want. Will probably have to order and that's obviously going to be a pain in the situpon. Noted in my "intro" post that my credit union pricing guide, a Consumer Reports guide & Edmunds all have differeing prices and differing packages available. Any comments?
As for the V-10 or 5.4L, I've heard a lot of stories that the 5.4L is not getting better gas mileage than the V-10, or at the very least, it is not significant enough to justify the difference in power. All comments about the V-10 that I have seen so far have been positive.
Not Really!
Besides GVWR, the axle capacity must be considered too. When installing a camper, the camper has a weight and a center of gravity specification. Each of these are important when loading the truck. Ford dealers (I assume the others also.) have consumer documents that show you how to load a truck. The Ford document unfolds into an 'E' size drawing, both sides. The process is that you find your model truck and add up all the options and follow the instructions. When this is done you'll have the weight carrying capability of each axle. Then you take the camper weight and it's center of gravity demension to calculate the weight placed upon each axle of the truck. If you haven't exceded any of the three weight ratings you're safe.
I would suggest that you pick up this document from your dealer. It's showroom type material and usually free.
Rich
BTW - If this doesn't birng out the engineer in you, nothing will.
As an example, I read on another website that someone just bought a F-350 Superduty SRW CC PSD 4x4 XLT with the Powerstroke and Camper package. His camper certification was only 1,800. It's my understanding that the diesel reduces your GVWR by 600-800 pounds. It's also uncertain how much weight they factored in for people. I believe the guidelines say they factor in 150 pounds for every available seating position. That may mean that they factored in 900 pounds for people, which may not be your situation.
The best advice is to follow Richflynn's advice.
That figure of 3314 is in contrast to the listed *payload* figure of 4615 pounds from a GVWR of 11,000. The GAWRs, by the way, are 4850 front and 7500 rear.
(For those just joining, the truck is a 1996 Dodge Ram 3500 Club Cab 4x4 DRW, Cummins diesel/automatic/3.54 axles/rear limited slip.)
And Rich, my first major in college WAS mechanical engineering
I ordered the hunter green on my reorder and was very happy with it. It looks like a deep teal green which we like very much.
checksix,
Just note that I reorder my truck on 5/26 because I was unhappy with the first. (woodland green and no SOF) It took 3 days over 6 weeks to get another fully loaded lariat, cc, power stroke. So it is possible to get a truck in a reasonable time frame. Alot does have to do with the dealer.
The truck is just great, I could not be happier.
Can anyone tell me how much weight you can tow with the class 4 hitch the factory installs? I have to get one insatlled this week at a locale camper buisness and would like to get the same option that Ford offered.
Mroffshore
Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight is 10,000 lbs.for the Class iv hitch receiver, regardless of engine or tranny, or rear axle.(or who installs it)
reference is www.meadowlandford.com/conventional.htm
try
www.meadowlandford.com
and click on Super Duty Trailering Info
kcram--what did you change your major to in college?...I am currently ME going into 3rd year..don't like it and am looking for a change. Thanks
I knew I was in the wrong thing when on the FIRST day of Fluid Dynamics, the professor hands us a tech manual and tells us to write a report describing the operation of an old Buick torque converter for that Friday. At least half of the class went "Huh?"
Initially, Ford erred and indicated that the passenger side airbag was standard with certain models. It is not. It's a $500+ option on the Superduty. Your truck is either being reinvoiced to add $500+ to the invoice because you do have the airbag, or it is being reinvoiced to eliminate the wording that there is a passenger airbag where none exists. I suspect it is the latter.
It looks like you found a way to shorten the waiting period. Personally, I think a long bed is the only way to go. It will be long with the CC, but the extra height of the 4wd looks pretty sharp, especially if you have the meatier tires.
I'm getting pretty psyched about the dually option I ordered. I think I will have a bigger adjustment going from the 3.55 to the 4.30. I haven't seen many 4wd duallys on the road, but the few 2wd versions look pretty sharp. I definitely like the added height of the 4wd on any of the models.
The duallys should provide a noticably more stable ride with a 3000+ camper on top and the 4.30 should really be helpful on the trips through mountain passes. I've narrowed my decision down to a Lance Legend or a Bigfoot 3000. I'll probably take a week off in December to pick it up since I will likely buy it out-of-state. It sounds like I can save thousands on the camper if I get it in Oregon or possibly even British Columbia. I'm waiting on more info from both.
www.abol.com/users/jlester/info.htm
and am going with Shortbed since PullRite offers a superslide hitch that auto-adjusts to turns. See Good Sam's July Ed. pg 29. of Highways Pub. No problem with 29 gal. tank--common sense tells us not to drive too far before taking a brake. Only possible change to PO would be the option of SOF---is that option needed on a F250
CC, V10? Thanks for the posting!!! JB
Ryan
Albeit small, but the Off-Road pkg. comes with Fog Lamps (not avail. on F250), Skid Plates (are the already on the F-250 4wd?), Bigger tires (must seperately code on the F250), and better suspension pkg. (must code on F250). So the extra cost might be in pkg compnents that aren't available on the F250 or something slightly different that isn't avail. on the F250...
If someone can clear this up, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks,
Ryan
(sheepish grin)
Ryan
Several months ago, out of curiousity, I compared the figures of a F-350 Superduty Lariat 4x4 V-10 against a similarly equiped F-150. I seem to remember that the F-350 Superduty was about 2,000 more and the F-250 Superduty was about $1,000 more than the F-150. It seemed like the trucks went up about $1,000 per 1/4 ton.
Cheers,
Ryan
My $.02 worth.
Ryan
My dealer also explained a few other 'Ford' terms.
Order picked up - Ford accepted the order and means that all options are acceptable for the state of delivery.
Build date - The vehicle is scheduled to be built during production run starting on 'Build date'. Note that 'Build date' is not a firm calendar date and may change. (Mine did!)
VIN number assigned - The vehicle has been assigned to be built.
Bill of lading - The vehicle has been built and is in shipment. This is the dealers ONLY confirmation that the vehicle is on the way. (Usually arrives at the Ford preparation center two to three weeks later.)
There is one other factor that may delay the delivery of a truck. That is space on the hauler. Trucks take the space of two Escorts. The trucker, evidently, makes more by hauling two Escorts rather than one truck. It took mine an extra 4 days to get from the prep center to the dealer.
Finally, there aren't may Super Duties built as of today. I've only seen 5 others on the road. Two in San Diego and 3 in the LA area.
Rich
$2500-- with a patent, PullRite appears to be the only game in town. I feel it's worth it though, if it takes all the hassle out of 5TH Wheeling!! For the moment, forget your PC # at Camping World, even though they will be a distr. for the SuperGlide----they are currently clueless!! JB
Thanks for the education. I have been trying
to get this info at the Ford dealer, but I'm
afraid it has been so long since he gave an
honest answer that he forgot how. All he did
tell me is that there have been three price
increases since I ordered on 4/28.
That is another subject--I hope to pay the price
he quoted when I ordered it.I have it on an order
form. I expect a hassle on that, because they know everyone is wanting a Super Duty.
It is a coincidence that I was told yesterday
that the order has been pulled. I guess that
means the same as "picked up".
There was a price increase for my truck also, I held my ground and they did not try to gouge me for any more money. Thats not our problem they have to take that up with their regional factory rep. Why should we have to pay a different price after we negotiated a price in good faith and recieved a quote? Tuff luck for the dealer!
Mroffshore
Same here. My truck came in about $100 over the quote, but the dealer never attempted to pass that on to me. They ate that cost and sold me the truck for the quote that I order from.
If you have a price in writing, signed by dealer management, they cannot change it at all, unless you have agreed on the order write-up to accept a price increase from the factory. The order is a contract; that's why it is signed by both parties. If your dealer tries to pass price increases to you above a *signed* price on the order, walk to the office of the general manager or president of the dealer.