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Greg
396 hp
405 ft lb torque
all in a truck that probably weighs around 4000lb, and you get a truck that does 0-60 in 5.6 sec and runs the quarter mile in 14.1 sec. all this for a cost which is only slightly over stock, since they're using same current production parts.
its a concept truck and not currently in production, but this thing has been rumored ever since they started making the 6.0, so i'd expect to see it on the street by next yr model.
the new 24 valve engine will hit its peak range and hold it until well into 2800 rpm's...the power smoke will reach its peak and drop off like clintons shorts....Fuel mileage???? dont even ask...dumb question....think.....v8??? or straight 6?????...do the math......and Yes I agree that the new chevy silverado is the most comfortable ridin truck....however...when you need to pull your house around, dont you expect alittle bit of harshness???....and for you 4x4 people....we have actually measured the new 4x4 chevy and the 4x2 dodge ram is of equal or greater(depending on model) heighth......OUCH that HURTS!!!!hehehehehe I welcome any comments....shall we say on Dakotas?Toyota?heheheyeah right...toyotas have outlived their cuteness people want trucks with appeal...the toyota tecumseh or whatever it is cant hold a candle to a Dakota.....BYE!!!
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P.S I was reading through the chevy posts, and I came across one post that said, he likes the new chev truck, rides great, but he wouldn't buy one because he wouldn't want to scratch the paint. Want I think he ment was it couldn't handle hard work. Chevy went way over board on ride and comfort, and forgot that they were redesinging a truck not a car. I still can't believe the one magazine that compared the three trucks, Dodge,chev,ford, had the ram losing because it was to truckish. If a truck wins a comparison beccause the won which rides like a car the most wins, ELA, chevy ford, than be it, but remember when your caring the big loads, or pulling those big trailers, that ELA good, ride ain't going to help you get to where your going.
Dodge the only true real truck left on between the big three. I not even going to start to talk about the forgien side.
P.S I was reading through the chevy posts, and I came across one post that said, he likes the new chev truck, rides great, but he wouldn't buy one because he wouldn't want to scratch the paint. Want I think he ment was it couldn't handle hard work. Chevy went way over board on ride and comfort, and forgot that they were redesinging a truck not a car. I still can't believe the one magazine that compared the three trucks, Dodge,chev,ford, had the ram losing because it was to truckish. If a truck wins a comparison beccause the won which rides like a car the most wins, ELA, chevy ford, than be it, but remember when your caring the big loads, or pulling those big trailers, that ELA good, ride ain't going to help you get to where your going.
Dodge the only true real truck left on between the big three. I not even going to start to talk about the forgien side.
SILVERADO LIKE A ROCK
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Did you ever notice how those truck testers start their review? "I hate trucks, but if that was the last form of transportation on earth, and I had to choose one it would be the Chevy. Its the most carlike." That just kills me. Can't they find a couple of writers that like trucks to test them?
I have to say though Chevy has always made some good motors. (Gas only) 350 & 454
1) Poor Brakes
2) Harder shifting transmission and rougher powertrains
3) Least comfortable interior
4) Poor Handling and steering
5) Rough ride
These are the "qualities" trucks are known for that Dodge still has, and Chevy and Ford have eliminated.
Read the Superduty thread. Many folks post with praises of how nice the Ford truck rides and how nice it is on the inside. My, that sounds like... CAR QUALITIES!!! i guess that means it can't do any work, huh?
Its not that the dodge can’t do everything its supposed to. I have a lot of respect for the MAJOR improvement dodge made in '94, making themselves a real player in the BIG THREE. Its just chevy and ford have passed dodge in the areas of a truck building, that have in the past, been the disadvantage to trucks. Dodge is behind.
The Chevy and Fords out there now can do the job just as well, and in MHO, better than the dodge. They have more advanced engines and powertrains, more sophisticated and stronger frames, more overall options. And they do the job while making the experience to the driver all that much better. Dodge is behind. They make a good truck, but they are behind.
Everybody raises the bar with each new truck design. Dodge is certainly not building a park bench on wheels with a little red wagon behind it. Relatively speaking, Ford and GM responded to the 94 Dodge. And the 2002 Ram will respond to what's out there now. Comparison tests are still subject to the opinions of the specific vehicle tested. In the Car and Driver test, the Dodge had the worst brakes. In the current issue of Open Road, a Ram 2500 Cummins outbrakes an F250SD Powerstroke (with its vaunted 4 wheel discs).
A lot of the opinion is perception, as well. There are plenty of old school truckers who would see the GM torsion bar suspension as a "carlike" cop-out compared to a solid front axle on a 4x4. Same with pushbutton 4x4 systems instead of a floor-mounted transfer case shifter with manual hubs. This perception has some merit. Old mechanically-based systems were inexpensive and durable. Remember when your wife's pantyhose could make an emergency fan belt? Not any more. A well-placed screwdriver could keep a carburetor working til you got home. Not any more. If you broke a rear driveshaft or rear axle, you could lock in the front axle and make it home with "emergency front wheel drive". Not with these automatic systems that "detect" when axles need power.
Trucks are currently at the mercy of marketing. Twelve years ago, Ford upped the bar with flush headlamps, raised back seats, fold-down armrests, and an excellent dash design. They had the best interior that a trucker could dream of at the time. But they were not marketed as car replacements as they are today. They were marketed as improved TRUCKS. There's another topic here now where someone wants an F250SD crew cab as a family car. What were these people driving 20 years ago? Full-size station wagons, that's what. Ford could probably reverse the trend with a new Crown Vic wagon, but they make too much money building overpriced Explorers. Never mind a Vic wagon would hold more people and get better mileage than an Explorer, and would cost less. Somewhere in Detroit, a bean counter said, "hey, let's put leather seats and a CD player in a truck, charge an extra $10K for it, and we'll have cash out of our a$$es!" And they haven't looked back since.
these are things that dodge hasn't "smoothed" out in the current model truck, that chevy and ford have. and dodge will get there when they redesign. their just not there right now. that's what "most truck like means." someways its good (like you mentioned, less sophisticated means sometimes you can fix it yourself and get home), but in most other ways, its a DISadvantage.
click here and see what Dodge has waiting in the wings
http://www.auto.com/99autoshow/qshow17.htm
USA Today's article says the engine is the Cat 3126, rated at 250 hp/780 lb-ft.
Trucklike? Definitely in exterior appearance... and I happen to like it a LOT
Looks great What year do they expect to have them out ?
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Ford has always been several years ahead of GM and Dodge in technology. With multi port fuel injection, modular engines, ect. Dodge is catching up, and GM seems to be dropping back a bit. I do like some of GMs new innovations though such as the duel mode transmission with a drain plug in the pan. Its about time someone thought to do that.
Anyway...I think all three are great trucks. I am just glad the make all three, it keeps three times as many people happy driving their trucks, and gives us three time as much to talk about.
interesting points. i have a question for you, and for all. is Ford technically ahead of chevy just because they have modular OHV engines. Ford had multiport injection, what, 9 years before chevy started using it (vortec), yet chevys still had slightly more power, and slightly better mileage. now chevy is using advanced ignition like ford, but the engines are not modular, they are still the old school pushrod style. yet they have a little more torque, a little more horsies, and a little better mileage. who is ahead?
GM is always interested in $$, thus their engine hoices. What they make enginewise keeps costs down, but then they can match everybody else's price and make a fortune. Think about how many trucks are based on the full size pickup chassis.
Chevy Silverado
GMC Sierra
Chevy-GMC Suburban
Chevy Tahoe/GMC Yukon-Denali/Cadillac Escalade
All on one platform. The more basic you keeep the components, the more you can spread it out in the market, and the more money you make. Ford only has one truck line to worry about. Outside of the Mountaineer and Navigator, Ford can afford to put more cash into technology. Same with Dodge.
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By the way, the Dodge Power Wagon is expected to represent the 2002 Dodge Ram. If you remember the Little Red Truck from 1991, then you know Dodge changed no body lines whatsoever to the 94 Ram.
Mharde, you're right about the 3126 - its governed speed is just 2400 rpm. I would expect an improved Cummins in production.
My question is...is chevy ever gonna get a good diesel truck???? not the speculated chevisuzu motor....BAHAHA!!! And yes I do agree the new chevy is pretty...but come on couldnt they have done a little better redesign than that after all that waiting???? Geez.......
i don't see GM behind, especially with products like the Northstar engines, the corvette engines, new truck engines, the Auto-trac(?) 4x4, etc.
your post makes no sense to me. GM is only interested in $$? meaning Dodge and Ford don't do the same? thats a crock. dodge just doesn't have a large enough line, they keep things simple because they ARE simple. does dodge have on board computers, GPS technology, selectable variable suspension tuning, low coolant engine mode.. no. The Expedition is on the same frame as the F150. The Explorer and Mountaineer are the same thing. They use the same engines in their cars as they do their trucks. the 5.4 and 6.8 are built out of what, 80% of the same parts. Was all this done to make money? why hell yes. it simplifies production, immensly, consolidates parts distribution. GM only has 2 truck lines as well, they just have 3 different sheet metal stamps, instead of 2 like Ford, and once the big trucks get redesigned, they'll have 4. what is so complex about that?
these company's all use the same practice. That statement the GM does it in greed, and Ford and Dodge do it for the consumer, is ludicrous.
The silverado is probably the most expensive half ton truck out right now. but so was the F150 in '97. you've got to pay for factory tooling and such, then the industry catches up, and prices are all about the same, like last year.
My point was this - GM is more interested in making 3, 4, and sometimes 5 versions of the same vehicle just to make more money. Of course all automakers want their profits; that's a given. What was the point of the Cadillac Escalade? Its exterior is identical to the Yukon Denali except for the grille insert, but it costs thousands more - for what? That would be the same as Ford adding a Jaguar version of the Navigator. That's not marketing, that's greed. And that's why GM took such a hit during the summer strike. Ford and DC make gobs of cash too, but they also listen very carefully to their employees and suppliers on how to make vehicles more efficiently. That extra profit does get to the pockets of the blue-collar people. GM is constantly management vs labor and it shows in their products. GM still makes the older OHV design because the UAW won't let them retool the plant to make a more modern engine. In fact, the UAW threatened to strike the Corvette plant this summer because the new C5 Vette now requires less people to build it and the union didn't want to lose the now excessive jobs. GM agreed to let these people stay on and pays them to do next to nothing. Is it any wonder that Ford and DC are increasing their market share while GM falls?
DC will be dropping the OHV V6 and V8s after this year and go OHC (the new Grand Cher V8 is the first of the batch). They'll probably be able to one up the Ford OHC engines until they respond. And GM again will wait, just like they did with the fourth door on extended cabs.
Maybe you and I know what a truck is for, and what we expect from it, but the general public is swayed by innovation. And if you can't prove you're not just warming over what you had, the public will walk away. (Ask Nissan where all their sales went from the mid 80s.)
We'll agree to disagree on this
i also agree with the union problems. do you know, is the union the REAL reason they stuck with pushrod engines? i find it scary that the union could influence MAJOR design issues like that.
Having gone from being a Ford truck guy to a Dodge truck guy, I certainly see the value of making changes for the better. Ford has since responded with a vastly improved F-series. If GM ever wants me to seriously consider their trucks, they have to do better than this.
so what, in your opinion, is wrong with the Silverado, the engines, if you don't feel it deserves your consideration? do you feel really feel this new truck is outdone by competition from the git go, (4th door notwithstanding). do you think GMs engines don't cut the mustard, cuz the numbers say they do, and so do the test drivers and owners. why would you NOT use the corvette engine technology when it builds an engine superior to anything the competition's similar class, and still built out of cast iron, and easy to work on, easy to maintain designs. as opposed to the expensive of sitting down an entirely new line of fancier engines that give the same performance. or are you speaking of the heavy dutys? why the dislike? is GM's way of doing business?
we should be drinking beer somewhere
As for the GM, here are my views as to why I don't feel it merits my consideration at this point:
1) Uninspiring looks - granted, this is purely my choice, but Ford and Dodge at least look the part of trucks. GM is still using ugly black fender flares on the Silverado 2500 as they do on the C/K 25/3500, which means the body is still too narrow (thus a narrower bed).
2) The Corvette engine is designed as a high-rev, high-output engine. Because of the tire height and axle ratios, trucks are better off with lower rpm ranges. They claim their torque peak is really a plateau, but if that's the case, tell me what the engine is doing around 2000-2500 rpm; I have no reason to be up around 4000 to get maximum torque. I have no problem with the engine being iron over aluminum - an iron block will probably withstand the abuse a truck will see better than an aluminum block.
3) Dashboards - dashboards can make or break a sale fo me, because I'm IN the truck, and I want to be able to see information and easily operate controls. GM is notorious for rows of little buttons, and God-awful radio designs. The gauges seem more crammed together than Ford and Dodge as well.
4) I'll need to see how well this new "lighter but stronger" frame holds up. Every truck I have ever owned has had a car run into it, and I have never needed frame repair of any kind. Reports of early Silverado accidents say the frame all but collapses - good for the car you hit, great for the body shop, and probably lousy for you as the owner, as your truck will likely never be the same again.
On the heavy duty end, I'll hold off to see what they do with the new truck, but as I have mentioned elsewhere here, I am NO fan of torsion-IFS in a 1 ton 4x4 in its current design.
(sound effect of popping the top on a cold sudsy beverage - I don't drink, but a frosty root beer has a head too)
I still think cars will cycle around and make a comeback. There are rumors that Ford will take the Mercury Sable in the direction of an oversize Subaru with AWD. I wish they would also make a full-size station wagon for those families who need a tow vehicle for a light trailer. Too many people buy an extended cab pickup or SUV as the family car, then can't believe how bad the fuel economy is. There are posts all over the newsgroups that say "I just bought a xxxx, but I'm only getting 12 mpg - how can I do better?" Answer - next time, buy a car
i would like to know the true miles per gallon
v8 4800 auto sticker rated at 16/21
my true gas rate avg is about 18.5 not
to bad. because i once own a new 97 f-150
v8 4600 auto rate at 16/21
my real gas was 17 avg
This is not a smart-[non-permissible content removed] remark. The actual mileage of your truck is whatever you're getting. EPA ratings are done to make comparisons between vehicles. They have nothing to do with what you'll get on the road. If you're pleased with your average, don't argue with the truck