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How does the above support mandatory DOC charges by dealerships when in GA, the fees were deemed by the FTC to be returned to each customer?
I also resent "Enviornmental Fees" that are charged for cleansing the greasy mechanics overalls and rags. :sick:
Same for the car insurance industry. Poor driving records, poor credit ratings, & poor physical health applicants are to be charged more.
Discrimination rewards the clean living Conservative and why not?
Regarding DOC's, the dealer should have his freedom to choose who he tries to charge and should not be forced to treat all equally. It is his business decision.
I believe what some here are trying to say is that a dealer may indeed give discounts and "deal" with customers, thereby allowing different prices for the same car. What a dealer CANNOT do (at least in some states) is show a doc fee (or any other fee) on the paperwork to some and not for others.
In other words, a sale price can be different but the associated fees have to be charged equally. That's why if you "deal" away the doc fee, the salesperson will take it off the purchase price of the car but the paperwork will still show the charge.
Do I have that right, salesfolks??
No.
The same lack of comparative credit worthiness is ignored in home mortgage data in the past years and the resulting data used to show bias in lending. Same thing has happened in cars. The groups who want to try to prove their point use the data which is not correctly interpreted.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
TIA!
The label,"Additional Dealer Profit" has been replaced with "Doc fee". Both BS.
Our DOC is $75 on A/X/Z/D plans and $375 on regular retail deals. I have maybe 5 people at the most balk at it in a months time. out of an average of 150 deals a month that is really nothing. I think part of the reason is because on our buyers orders in black bold letters it says it is to recover admin cost and it is profit. If ou are upfront and just tell people it is extra profit they usually say, oh ok, and thats the end of it.
All extra profit huh? Just as I suspected. I'm taking this news alert to the "Confessions of a Used Car Salesman" writer. :surprise:
Make sure you quote me. I want my props. I have neve been mentioned in a fiction story before. :P
This is waht the buyers order says.
MSRP: 31800.00
Business Tax: 96.60
Doc Fee: 399.00
sub-total: 32295.60
state sales tax: 2260.00
Local sales tax: 80.00
License Fee: 117.00
Temporary Tag: 5.50
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Total: 34758.00
Rebate: 1250.00
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Total (after rebate): 33508.79
What is confusing us is tax percent in TN is 9.25%, but 2260 tax is 7.1% of 31800?
I don't know what they mean by by business tax.
Can someone explain these numbers?
Thanks in advance.
http://tennessee.gov/revenue/taxguides/salesanduse.pdf
page 12.
I suggest posting in Stories from Sales Frontlines. There is at least one salesperson from TN in that topic and maybe more who can explain the taxes.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f09ff51/45854#MSG45854
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
I found that same web site and ended up more confused. If you plug in the rates to the OPs figures it doesn't make sense.
That same site DOES tell you how to apply for tax stamps to put on your illegal drugs though. :confuse:
I agree, go to "Sales Stories" and ask joel.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
If you buy a $4000 beater is it possible they would slap a $600 doc fee on that too?
Or can you expect to pay a percentage of the purchase price?
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
Yikes! So in theory the price of a $100 car could be raised 600% just due to fees. That's sick. :sick:
Still, I supose you just make your offer $600 light to compensate.
2019 Kia Soul+, 2015 Mustang GT, 2013 Ford F-150, 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible
That would be making an offer of negative $500. :surprise:
"Hey dude, give me 500 dollars and I'll buy that $100 car." Might be worth a try. :P
Didn't you ever look at a car and say "They couldn't PAY me enough to drive that car"?
Now you know how much to ask. :P
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Does anyone know where I can find the official legal information on documentation fees being capped in the state of Texas? I've just spent a couple of hours trying to navigate the state's DMV website and couldn't find the info (maybe it's called something other than "documentation fee cap" and I missed it).
Thanks in advance!
Seems like a strange number ($143). I wonder if they've rolled in other fees (license, registration, etc) into that number. Also, TX dealers are famous for passing on their inventory tax, and telling the customer that it's required (it is for the dealer...not the customer). That usually amounts to $50-$100.... so, that may be part of it.
regards,
kyfdx
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The dealer tried that when I bought my car in June. I pulled out copies of the Ohio Revised Code and suggested we read it together to see if I misread it with my graduate degree from Miami! He back-pedaled rapidly realizing this could be a deal breaker. Then it was they had to show it so that people who paid it couldn't claim they were unfairly treated and taken advantage of. I explained I didn't care what he showed because I was looking at the total at the bottom and had been all along--he had popped out the fee after several cycles of my pricing tax, title, and temp license fees. I had just allowed a $50-75 dollar fee in my pricing for doc. We ended at $100.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Good luck with that! :surprise:
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I disagree. There is legal mumbo jumbo in the sales contract that basically says "If the dealer figures the wrong amounts for state fees and taxes that they have the legal right to come back after you for the difference."
It happened to me, dealer forgot to charge sales tax on a leased vehicle I was purchasing then trading in. It got ugly but we split the difference.
http://www.occc.state.tx.us/pages/Legal/Laws/fcode/2005/ch348.html#a
it's a document of 22 pages, but it's vary informative.
Good Luck!
I suggest compare apples to apples and shop OTD because we all pay it.
Thats right we hate you all and talk bad about your moms and your dog as soon as you leave.
Why do you have to show a doc fee on every deal?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Some states like Ohio impose a limit of $ 250 on doc fees & other states have limits also, but nowhere in the law does it say they must charge the upper limit or any fee at all.
To myself, the consumer, it just seems like a lame excuse to charge everyone a doc. fee.