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First I did the dawn
Then I Z5'd it, Z6 in between, then two coats of Z2 (Z6 in between each). Ended with Z6. Unbelievable results. I know its a new car so it looks unbelievable already, but the proof in the pudding is after the first storm you drive through. With zaino, storms don't destroy that just detailed look. In fact my M looked almost as good as it did b-4 the storm (& remember I have a black car). You will never see beading like Zaino does. Hardly anything sticks to the car!
The week after & did the first three coats, i put on another 2 of Z2. BTW, all coats were ZFX activated for quicker drying time. I used the zaino wash the second time although you can use any car wash (only use dawn the first time).
You may think clay bar is a waste of time and not necessary with a new car, but I say it's a must do. You will not believe the stuff that is embedded in the paint by the time it makes it to the dealer's lot. I recently did a brand new GMC Envoy following the above procedure and it looks incredible and cleans up easy after driving through the rain.
Operating range for engine start
function
The operating range for starting the engine
inside the vehicle is shown in the illustration (the illustration shows only the interior of the cabin shaded)
O If the Intelligent Key is on the instrument
panel, rear parcel shelf, inside
the glove box or door pocket, or the
corner of interior compartment, it may
not be possible to start the engine.
O If the Intelligent Key is near the door
or door glass outside the vehicle, it
may be possible to start the engine.
It will not work. The range for a *button* pushed on the FOB is 30 feet. The range for keyless ignition/entry is 24 inches within carefully defined zones. There are three exterior zones, 1 around drivers door, 1 around passengers door, 1 around the trunk. Almost the entire interior of the car is a zone. The car is aware of what zone the key is in and this controls the activation of services, such as opening the trunk, or starting the car. If the key is not in the interior zone it will not start.
Much ado about nothing.
So this car can't be deadly but you sir can. :confuse:
Human makes mistakes...
Everything can be further engineered towards (probably never be) perfection...
Again, partially true. The mechanical parts are subject to vibration, motion, heat, and aging even if not playing. Also, the majority of parts are electronic and all are likely to eventually fail although most will likely outlast the car. Most electronic part failures are accelerated by higher temperatures. Power on condition causes the parts themselves to generate heat which adds to frequent high ambient temperatures inside a car. This is why some companies do "burn in" in a elevated temperature environment to catch as many "infant mortality" failures as possible. If you look at MTBF estimates ( mean time between failures) for any electronic device they are almost always specified as POH (power on hours) with a duty cycle for use.
This does not mean that these drives are unreliable or that you will experience a failure. The point being argued was that with three drives you were more likely to experience a failure than with one and with that I agree.
What are others using out there that works well as a car wash concentrate? Any input is welcome. As far as waxes go, I swear by Maguirre's.
It seems to me that Infiniti has liability concerns regardless of how they design a running engine to function when the key fob disappears.
First, the *only* way the engine could conceivable be designed to shut-off automatically when the key fob is no longer in range is if the car is not moving and in park. The reason is obvious, image driving down the highway when the fob battery gasped it's last breath and pow the engine shuts down.....
So, why doesn't infiniti have the engine shut-off when the key fob goes out of range and the car is not moving & in Park? I can think of one major concern stemming from the fact that people are stupid. Image the pet owner or worse mother that leaves an animal or child in the vehicle (with the air conditioning on) while they run into the store for 1 second... Poor form indeed, but remember people are stupid. They bring the fob with them on a hot August day .... It takes a little longer than anticipated ... They return and lo-n-behold their 50K car roasted Skippy or Chippy.
My guess is Infiniti chose the current design to transfer responsibility to the owner. Which case sounds worse (for Infiniti) in court? He forgot to turn off the car and it ran in the garage injuring the family. He walked away from his running vehicle with his son strapped into its air conditioned safety without knowing Infiniti had designed it to automatically turn off and become an oven.....
Now I suppose they could have designed it to keep the car running, but set off the alarm... That would get your attention if you left it running in the garage *and* keep junior safe in the parking lot... But you know what, I'm glad they didn't because I have heard the little chime alarm that sounds each and every time I've jumped out of the car to go to the mailbox and if a full car alarm sounded it would piss me off....
Regarding the fellow afraid to park in his garage - get over it - go to home depot - purchase a (or two if you must) CO detector - Install it... Sleep well....
It is my understanding that the car will run till turned off', then it will not restart if the fob is no longer with you as when dropping someone off. I guess I have to test this theory in my driveway to see if a running car will turn off without possessing the fob.
BTW, how can someone be so irresponsible as to leaving a pet or child in a running parked vehicle for almost any amount of time?
I do not know.
BTW, how can someone be so irresponsible as to leaving a pet or child in a running parked vehicle for almost any amount of time?
Some people are horrible human beings, some people are stupid, and some people are caught in unusual and difficult situations.
I know for a fact that the new Acura RL will run w/o the fob.
The dealer's suggestion is to call the 1-800 Infiniti number (1-800-662-6200, then 7 for customer satisfaction) to report the problem, hopefully with enough "inputs" from earlier adaptors a TSB will be created by engineering department, then local dealership can fix this nagging problem.
Please reply if you have better luck with your local dealer and call 1-800-622-6200 to provide feedback to Infiniti.
Thanks for all the clarifications. This forum is awesome. As a new owner, I only had time to read the quick reference guide and it does not go into details that the fob has two separate functions (for entry/engine start) and for buttons, with two quite different ranges. Hence my scare.
I have not actually conducted the experiment after reading the guide because I considered it pointless. Time to get a PhD in M's Technology by studying the thick manual.
Where/how can I buy this product? Is it sold in stores or via internet? Please let me know.
It seems like it's a top notch product judging from the volume of discussion it's generating.
You are very welcome. I am just trying to pay off the debt I owe to this forum--it contains so much useful info on the new M and cars in general.
Yes, the engine and road noise is up there. I would say that at 60 mph it is acceptable and at 70 mph it is a bit too loud for my liking at this price level (this is supposed to be a fairly refined imported sports sedan not a muscle car from the Monster Garage on the Discovery Channel). We are talking steady state on the highway at these speeds, not rapid acceleration. During heavy acceleration, the engine tone is "sweet" especially when pushed above 4k rpm (have not tried it yet -- only 530 miles on the car, but tried it on the car I test drove).
Now let me pose a question about M's tires: The car comes standard with Goodyears with a treadwear rating of 260. I heard opinions that Goodyears are "made of recycled rubber" and thus are generally not worth a consideration by a serious car enthusiast. The 260 rating is low, so I hope that they get bare soon which will force me to upgrade to Michelin, my favorite brand. But, I confess I do not know much more about tires--any opinions on this topic? Some people mentioned Avons and Pirellis; perhaps they have a comment.
I absolutely love the car, the looks, acceleration, technology etc. I have replaced one tire and at a cost of about $380 and it took a few days to get the tire. I didnt get the full size spare but wish I had now since it seems like a very good deal. I am not sure what the prices per tire are of the others you mentioned, nor am I clear about the wear rating of the tires mine has. I would be interested if anyone had some information on the Bridgestone rating as well as the other tire prices and ratings.
For "performance A\S tires", CR rates Falken highest, followed by Bridgestone and Michelin.
For UHP tires, Goodyear Eagle F1, followed by Toyo and Continental.
Questions I do have:
1. Is the Zaino system REALLY worth the effort?
2. What should I use to clean and protect the wood interior with?
Car electronics are designed to resists very high temperature (such as a car cooking under the SoCal sun for hours), such as 150+ F. They fail in very rare occasions. CD and DVD units' mechanical parts are by nature more prone to failure. Having several units vs one reduces the usage of each, and hence, the incidence of a problem. So I'm happy to have three units instead of one.
No, not really. I'd say yes with a BMW's iDrive, but Infiniti managed to "get it right". No bells and whistles, just simple things, easy to do. Take 15 minutes to go through all the menu options (without the user's manual), and you will see 90% of what the system does. And you will wonder how you could drive a car without that.
IMHO, some are twisting the purpose of the keyless system, but now that I have it, I now struggle when I need to drive my wife's Armada ("oh yes, I need the #$%^*@ key...").
Zaino took me about 3 hours The shine is great but it also seems to really decrease the amount of dirt that sticks to the car and wheels . Makes it very easy to keep looking good.
Was definitely worth it for me. I have not put anything on the wood trim yet.
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Perhaps this isn't the best place for this discussion, but on a quick scan of the tire category I didn't find anything on this topic.
I ask because I recently bought replacement Michelins at Costco where they made a big deal about filling the tires with nitrogen instead of air. They even put bright green caps on the valve stems. (Isn't green supposed to be used for oxidizers?) They claim that nitrogen will provide more stable pressure over varying temperature ranges and will be better for the rubber.
It's been a long time since I took any chemistry classes but I recall that the air was already about 80% nitrogen so how much difference could this make?
Thanks
DRock
Four Comparo’s from the big three.
Car And Driver (8 Car V8 Comparo): M45 Wins
“The M45 Rocks, Game Over”
Road and Track (Comparo: M45 vs BMW 545I vs Lexus GS400): M45’s wins
“Its distinctive mix of luxury and performance won out in the end”
Motor Trend (6 Car V6 Comparo): M35 wins
“When the road is yours, you'll want to be behind the wheel of the Infiniti M35.”
Motor Trend (M45 vs Lexus GS 430 Comparo): M45 wins
“It's clear the M is crisper, more entertaining and more satisfying”
A number of other reviewers are absolutely smitten with this car.
USA Today: "Making BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Audi and Cadillac irrelevant"
-USA Today: "The M is what the BMW 5 should have been."
-USA Today: "Lexus GS falls short of Infiniti M" (Really an M vs GS Comparo)
Washington Post: "Bess, You Is My Woman Now."
LA Times: "Losing one's license in a blood-bubbling fit of speed narcosis."
NY Times: "The toughest threat yet to German dominance of the sport-luxury market."
Detroit News (M vs GS): "The M35’s a standout in just about every way"
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