The new M35x has my attention. I'm accustomed to the smooth and quiet of big Lexus cars, but toys are my addiction and the M has better toys. But I am concerned about M noise level. What's the cabin like at 70 mph? What are the RPMs when going 70 mph? I don't want a lot of engine and wind speed when I'm cruising.
The RPM on my M35x is about 3800 at 70. I do not notice significant engine or wind noise at that speed. I seem to notice the engine more just running around town doing errands when it is accelerating, etc. I find the cabin to be extremely well insulated and the solid feed back you get once inside and belted in is very comforting. Good Luck. The "toys" are so much fun it is hard to describe. Hawkeye
Nitrogen is the way to go if its available. The tires maintain their pressure without the temperature variation you get with (air). They use nitrogen in commercial aircraft tires for the stability it provides. Also, it should add to the longevity of the tires as well.
The RPM on my M35x is about 3800 at 70. :surprise:
Thats the highest I have read about. There have been numerous reports about the M35 having cruising RPMs at or above 3000; I do not understand this :confuse: I own an '04 FX35 and my RPMs at 70 mph are ~2700 or so. Why does the M35 (w/ esseentially the same engine) run higher?
I did not get any paint sealant from the dealer. You only need to wash with Dawn dish detergent then use the clay bar. It is really pretty easy to Zaino the car following the directions that come from Zaino.
> Why does the M35 (w/ esseentially the same engine) run higher?
It's really the transmission gears ratios that make the difference. A different 70-mph RPM between the FX35 and M35 does not surprise me. But for a specific model-year, a 70-mph RPM will be the same, provided it's using the same gear. Those different reports are inaccurate. Here's one way to read it: for a given model-year, go to 70 mph (or whatever speed), engage the cruise control (w/o distance control), wait a few seconds and adjust the cruise control speed to be exactly on the target speed, then read the RPM once the car is at that target speed. Can't go wrong with that.
I went to the dealer with a few colors combinations I could live with (but I needed Journey/Tech/Chrome wheels, which is quite easy to find). They didn't have my top preference, but they had one that pleased me very much otherwise (Twilight Blue on Wheat). But when I drive my M45, those 335 hp (plus the rev-matching downshift tranny) are total delight. Believe me, your 3-month wait will be worth every second once you drive it.
That's a great point! Has anyone ever seen such consistently great reviews about a car? What comparo has it lost? I can't think of any. Was the Miata this well received? I seem to remember a lot of positive buzz on it when it appeared a few years ago... I have a 35X with the premium options and after 1 month and 3000 miles I still get giddy about driving it anywhere, anytime...it is really a wonderful machine.
Thanks for the input on cabin noise and RPM at 70. Sounds like 2800 is the RPM and the cabin noise is ok - not a race car. The LS430 V8 is 2100 and silent. I wonder if the M45 cruises at a lower RPM than the M35.
> I wonder if the M45 cruises at a lower RPM than the M35.
M45: 2500 RPM @ 70 mph, 2900 RPM @ 80 mph. The M45 exhaust sound is deeper too, and less intrusive (IMHO). I have the Base, whose tires are significantly less noisy than those on the Sport (althought other tires models/brands can change that). It's unbelieably quiet at those speeds in the cabin.
Thats the highest I have read about. There have been numerous reports about the M35 having cruising RPMs at or above 3000; I do not understand this I own an '04 FX35 and my RPMs at 70 mph are ~2700 or so. Why does the M35 (w/ esseentially the same engine) run higher?
I have an M35X with about 600 miles on it and I am reading just under 3000 RPM at 70 MPH.
If you're used to the big Lexii, then why not go for an M45 premium over an M35? You’d no doubt prefer it. I've owned many Lexus LS's and IMO the M45 is a vastly more pleasing car. The M45 engine is much quieter at high speeds than the M35, and very comfortable to me, sound wise. The suspension and wheels on the premium (or any non-sport) is smoother as well, and it still handles like a killer. In addition, the premium is the ultimate car for added features. You might call them toys (I know you mean it in a good way), but I think of them as part of a totally satisfying driving experience.
I’ve owned only LS's from '91 till 2003, when I happily switched to a Q45, (which I greatly preferred over my LS430). The M is just an amazing revelation in handling and features. If you're looking for driving satisfaction and rich rewarding features, you'll be absolutely blown away.
Is there a way to set the status screen so that it turns on to the same setting it was on when the car was shut off? At least for me, no matter what status screen setting I have when I shut off the car (e.g., the one showing fuel), it always goes back to the screen showing the climate control whenever I restart the car.
That's because the last gear is an overdrive, exactly for the purpose of reducing the RPM when cruising at high speed. That fits the nature of a minivan, but not of a sport-mannered car. But maybe a 6th gear should be added to the M in the future.
I have ~1200 miles on my m35x. I've noticed my steering wheel seems to have less resistance (feels "looser") esp at lower speeds ~20-25 mph compared to when I first got the car. Then it firms up to where I want it when I reach highway speeds. Is that expected? Is this just a function of the breaking in period? (I think I preferred the steering feel at lower speeds before) :confuse:
Well after much agonizing over this... M vs. GS vs. A6 vs. E vs. 5 vs. STS vs. RL. I had decided on the M35. Then I thought, well maybe I will get the M35x. So I have been waiting for a deal that was not to be...yet anyway. Well today on my way into work, I made my bi-weekly stop at my local dealer's lot to see what has come in. There it sat. Black/Graphite M35x, Tech/Journey/Splash/Trunk.... WOW..gotta have it, but wait, what is this? Black/Graphite M45 Premium Pkg, Chrome wheels. DOUBLE WOW!! Hmm.. So I went to the dealer @ lunch and talked to the salesman I have been trying to get a deal from the past 3 months. He still would not give me my ultimate deal, but came much closer than I thought I would get him. So I pulled the trigger...on the 45!! Just had to have that V8..I guess I knew it all along. Anyway, they are prepping and I will pick up this evening. I'm very excited to say the least. Thanks to all on this forum for all the info and opinions. I will report more later.
My son told me that nissan was/has upped the HPon the M35 to 292. Before I buy one, I'd like to know if anyone has heard a similar rumor or can confirm or debunk it. green7
To those who have me the switch from the stock Goodyear Eagles to the Pirellis, Avons, and others--how big of a difference from a noise standpoint have you experienced?
The tire noise from my Eagles is really bothering me, especially when I'm talking hands free on the phone. I have nearly 5000 miles on the Eagles in an M35x. They haven't imporved from a noise standpoint.
I live in a snow state (Michigan), so my all-seaons need to be decenbt in the snow.
I'd love to hear input from those in the know.....
congratulations! those are almost the exact same cars that I'm looking at... I've narrowed down to LS430 (wife's choice) and M45 Sport from E350, RL, GS430, Escalade, etc...
how much over invoice did you end up paying if you don't mind me asking? and your location..? I want to pull the trigger on the M45 sport with journey/tech.
The steering wheel has more resistance as the speed increases, and that's by design. Most cars are like that. However, the feel should remain quite crisp, even at low speed. You may want to stop by your dealership to have them check it out.
First, I've gotta say that the M45 is one incredible car. Best I've ever driven and definitely the best I've ever owned. That said, I've got a question about the steering. I upgraded to this car from a G35 coupe. The coupe seemed to track incredibly well at all speeds. It almost seemed to read your mind at highway speeds. However, it seems that the M steering is noticably busier at highway speeds than the G was as if the steering is way more sensitive. Is this to be expected?
> it seems that the M steering is noticably busier at highway speeds than the G was as if the steering is way more sensitive.
I haven't driven the G35, but my previous car was a 99 BMW 528i, and the M45 measures up in terms of "telephatic steering wheel" as the car *immediately* responds to any slight change of direction at highway speeds. That's definitely part of the "Sports" in the M45 design.
Me too! I just said good bye to my 2004 LS 430 and drove off in the M35 AWD Premium Pkg, Diamond Graphite/Graphite. What a fun car to drive. Only 3 hours old and all ready I see improvements over the LS. Bluetooth integration is excellent as is voice recognition. The cooled seats work better on the M than in the Lexus. The LS is quieter at highway speeds and it's air suspension gives a great ride, but the M's ride is just as good and I wanted a change. Took me a lot of reading on this forum to decide between the AWD or V8. Ultimately, I decided I'm still a lexus driver and would rather have the MPG. One of the best things Infinity did was keep the trim levels equal. I hate how the Germans tend to make the interiors a little better as you get bigger and bigger engines. No uber lux inside with the smallest engine. Since I had a huge trade, I can't say whether I got a good deal. I'm going guess though that it came down to about $1500 below sticker.
Congrats on the car, I have the 35x as well and I absolutely love it.
I can only hope your MPG are better than the 14 or so that I'm averaging, 3,300 miles in!
The V6, from what I've been hearing is actually getting worse MPG than the V8 because it has to work harder, and is geared higher, in order to carry the 4,004 lb frame (the weight of the "X" version anyway.)
I'm sure you'll get better MPG than me though, as I have the lowest reported that I know of (including the freshalloy forum.) In any case, you have an unbelievable AWD system coupled with what is IMO the best car in the class. Enjoy!
I picked up my Liquid Platinum/Graphite M35 Journey/Tech last weekend, and I love it so far!
The owner's manual states that it is more efficient to close the windows and use the A/C at freeway speeds, rather than open them and turn off the A/C. I can believe this because the side windows seem to catch a lot of air when open. But with the moonroof open I barely have any wind coming into the car -- so my question is, does driving with the moonroof open cause a significant amount of aerodynamic drag?
I would love to have my roof open on these sunny NorCal days, and use the A/C to keep the car comfortable at the same time. Any aerodynamics buffs in the forum that can take a stab at this one?
I have been following this board with interest the past few months after I decided to replace my 2003 Jaguar S-Type 4.2 with an M35x when the Jag's lease was up in July. There has been a ton of great info, and it has been interesting to watch the deals people were getting as time passed.
I contacted a number of dealers by fax and got a variety of responses ranging from no response to full MSRP+ to the deal I closed over the phone tonight.
M35x Umbria Grey/Bourbon Interior, Journey, Nav and Trunk Mat MSRP: $48090 Invoice: $43732 Selling Price: $45600 ($2490 under MSRP/$1868 over invoice)
Lease: 39mo 12k/yr Putting down registration/fees/etc and 9 security deposits (Total ~$5400 of which $4950 is a refundable security deposit) Money Factor: .121 (or 2.9%) Residual: 62% Monthly ~ $528
The dealer is about 100 miles away (I live in South Jersey), and for an extra $200, they are going to deliver the car and complete the transaction at my house. Well worth $200 for the time I'll save. (My local dealer was unable to produce a car that fit my specs, or he would have tried to match or beat the offer).
I am in the DC area. I paid $1750 over invoice or about $3,350 off the MSRP. I was happy with the deal as they have been trying to stay close to sticker since day one. I have seen a few better deals than I got but hey, they had the car sitting there in the color and options I wanted so that was worth something to me as I want to get some summer driving in this year and was tired of waiting for the "close to invoice" deal that could be many months away, if ever. Good luck to you. IT'S A GREAT RIDE!!
My M45 averages 15.2 MPG, at 600 miles. But I dutifully follow the break-in period and do not maintain constant speed even on highways, so fuel consumption is higher that it will be after the break-in (although the V8 is so responsive that I might drive it in a way that brings the MPG much lower ). One thing you should do is to reset your MPG to see what happens in the next hundreds miles or so.
I took delivery of a Liquid Platinum M45 five weeks and 2,945 fantastic miles ago. The V8 is as smooth as butter and a joy to drive. Replaced a 2000 model E-39 BMW 528i at 128,000 miles. The real surprise: this car is capable of 26 miles per gallon at 63 mph on level highway with the cruise control engaged. Excellent technology implementation on all fronts. Couldn't justify the BMW E-60 530i at about the same price for a 6 cylinder with lesser technology. Leased the car at $1,000 below MSRP and couldn't be happier. Just need a good reason to take a long, long trip. Thanks, Nissan. What a ride!
I have had my m35x since the end of march. As of this morning it has 5971 miles and I'm getting 19.2 mpg to a high of 21.3 mpg according to the gas mileage meter. The car is the best I have owned. No problems to report at this time.
"One thing you should do is to reset your MPG to see what happens in the next hundreds miles or so."
I have reset it with each tank of gas. I now have over 3,400 miles on the car.
I made a concerted effort last night on my drive home to maximize my MPG, just to see what the 35x could muster. I got it up from 13.8 when I started to 20.2 on a 15 mile trip. I will say that the 40-50mph traffic made it more bearable to drive conservatively. I just don't think 'open road' + M = anything better than 15mpg, in my particular vehicle anyway. It's just too tempting, and too much fun to DRIVE it.
I've got 1250 miles on my M35x. I replaced the Goodyears with the Pirelli's and they are much, much quieter at all speeds. They also stick in the rain like glue!
The car is averaging 17.50 mpg in combo city/highway driving. City driving is stop and go in NYC, and the highway averages 80 mph.
Overall, no problems or issues and am enjoying the car immensely.
But with the moonroof open I barely have any wind coming into the car -- so my question is, does driving with the moonroof open cause a significant amount of aerodynamic drag?
You may have answered you own question. If you don't have any wind coming into the car then I think there is very little drag. I am cautiosly pleased by your observation. On our MDX, and on our FX, and on our old TL-S you could not open the moonroof above ~45mph w/o the wind being too loud and obtrusive into the cabin. Thus I put deflectors on all three cars so that the moonroof could be used at highway speeds (up to about 65 or so w/o problems). Are you saying that the M35 has no wind intrusion at highway speeds?
I wouldn't worry about losing a few mpg's if you are having fun. Just equate it to preferring to drink a Starbucks latte over a 7-11 coffee (or Bass ale over a Bud). I daresay that the few bucks you lose by losing 2-3 mpg is equivalent or better to one latte a day over regular coffee (and probably much more economical than a few Bass ales or Fosters over a few Buds).
Can someone tell me if there is a TSB # for the rattling in the roof. It is behind the sunroof on the passanger side. Other than that the car is perfect. I have 800+ miles in a few weeks and am getting an average 0f 17.8 mikes. have not reset the gas milage since first tank.
I do about 50/50 city highway.
I need to do some reading so I can take advantage of the technology.
> The tires maintain their pressure without the temperature variation you get with (air).
Not in my experience. The pressure varies. I would venture nitrogen has a similar thermal coefficient to that of air since it constitutes the majority of air.
Yes, Costco did the same to the new tires on my other car. When I saw the green caps, I asked my wife where the original black ones went. She said a Costco tech told her the tires got filled with hydrogen and thus this different color. Driving on hydrogen-filled tires can be quite adventerous, I guess.
>> Time to get a PhD in M's Technology by studying the thick manual.
> No, not really. ...Take 15 minutes to go through all the menu options (without the user's manual), and you will see 90% of what the system does.
I actually studied the thick manual on a recent long flight to the other coast and back. Managed to get through about half of it before repeatedly falling asleep.
There are at least several things I would not learn from going over the screens: - The car has heated back seats (nice surprise, since I did not check out the rear too much) - The car has an AudioPilot feature that uses Bose to cancel some of the ambient noise (the name of this feature is not very descriptive). I previously thought that only the Acura RL had this feature and thus was quieter than the M. - There may problems with locking doors when holding an Intelligent Key in the same hand operating the button on the door handle (the car thinks the key is inside) - Frequently turning headlights on and off significantly reduces their lifetime (re: my recent experience of going through a sequence of short tunnels in NYC with the lights stick set to Auto) - There is protection against accidentally locking the Intelligent Key in the trunk (although I found the manual inconsistent in that manner). - Programming seat/mirror settings and linking them to the Intelligent Key, as well as setting the compass to a proper geograpical area
I bet there is more stuff like that I will learn in the second half of the manual.
The heated (and reclining) rear seats come with the premium package, although the passenger space is slightly smaller with this package.
I'm not sure if the Audio Pilot is quite the same as the noise cancelling. I read the manual some time ago and did not get the feeling that this was an active system monitoring ambient noise and then creating out-of-phase sound to cancel it. I could be wrong...maybe that was when I was nodding off over the manual. Time to take a second look.
As to the headlights, I purposely do not use the Auto feature for that reason. My complaint is that the Auto feature is the first de-tent (it should be the last). If I am turning the lights off in the garage, they first go off when I move from "On" to "Parking". Then they go back on again as I turn past "Auto". Because of this, I still manually turn the lights on and off, but I only move it to the "Auto" position. If I leave it in "Auto", then the lights go on in the morning in the garage when they don't need to, and then they go on again in the office parking garage. Makes you wonder if automatic headlights are a good idea with expensive xenon lights.
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Thats the highest I have read about. There have been numerous reports about the M35 having cruising RPMs at or above 3000; I do not understand this :confuse: I own an '04 FX35 and my RPMs at 70 mph are ~2700 or so. Why does the M35 (w/ esseentially the same engine) run higher?
It's really the transmission gears ratios that make the difference. A different 70-mph RPM between the FX35 and M35 does not surprise me. But for a specific model-year, a 70-mph RPM will be the same, provided it's using the same gear. Those different reports are inaccurate. Here's one way to read it: for a given model-year, go to 70 mph (or whatever speed), engage the cruise control (w/o distance control), wait a few seconds and adjust the cruise control speed to be exactly on the target speed, then read the RPM once the car is at that target speed. Can't go wrong with that.
It really is the most consistently enthusiastic collection of reviews I've ever seen for one car. And of course, I'd have to agree.
Pete
I have a 35X with the premium options and after 1 month and 3000 miles I still get giddy about driving it anywhere, anytime...it is really a wonderful machine.
M45: 2500 RPM @ 70 mph, 2900 RPM @ 80 mph. The M45 exhaust sound is deeper too, and less intrusive (IMHO). I have the Base, whose tires are significantly less noisy than those on the Sport (althought other tires models/brands can change that). It's unbelieably quiet at those speeds in the cabin.
Thats the highest I have read about. There have been numerous reports about the M35 having cruising RPMs at or above 3000; I do not understand this I own an '04 FX35 and my RPMs at 70 mph are ~2700 or so. Why does the M35 (w/ esseentially the same engine) run higher?
I have an M35X with about 600 miles on it and I am reading just under 3000 RPM at 70 MPH.
I’ve owned only LS's from '91 till 2003, when I happily switched to a Q45, (which I greatly preferred over my LS430). The M is just an amazing revelation in handling and features. If you're looking for driving satisfaction and rich rewarding features, you'll be absolutely blown away.
Pete
Though I sometimes drive it like it’s an M35
So you've performed the "rollover" test? That must have been exciting!
No rollovers, it’s surprisingly stable; coming from a previous G35 back to the M
:confuse:
So I went to the dealer @ lunch and talked to the salesman I have been trying to get a deal from the past 3 months. He still would not give me my ultimate deal, but came much closer than I thought I would get him. So I pulled the trigger...on the 45!! Just had to have that V8..I guess I knew it all along. Anyway, they are prepping and I will pick up this evening. I'm very excited to say the least. Thanks to all on this forum for all the info and opinions. I will report more later.
Just a note, this was not a demo but a brand new car with 5 miles on the odometer.
Regards,
Chris
green7
The tire noise from my Eagles is really bothering me, especially when I'm talking hands free on the phone. I have nearly 5000 miles on the Eagles in an M35x. They haven't imporved from a noise standpoint.
I live in a snow state (Michigan), so my all-seaons need to be decenbt in the snow.
I'd love to hear input from those in the know.....
those are almost the exact same cars that I'm looking at...
I've narrowed down to LS430 (wife's choice) and M45 Sport from E350, RL, GS430, Escalade, etc...
how much over invoice did you end up paying if you don't mind me asking? and your location..? I want to pull the trigger on the M45 sport with journey/tech.
I haven't driven the G35, but my previous car was a 99 BMW 528i, and the M45 measures up in terms of "telephatic steering wheel" as the car *immediately* responds to any slight change of direction at highway speeds. That's definitely part of the "Sports" in the M45 design.
I can only hope your MPG are better than the 14 or so that I'm averaging, 3,300 miles in!
The V6, from what I've been hearing is actually getting worse MPG than the V8 because it has to work harder, and is geared higher, in order to carry the 4,004 lb frame (the weight of the "X" version anyway.)
I'm sure you'll get better MPG than me though, as I have the lowest reported that I know of (including the freshalloy forum.) In any case, you have an unbelievable AWD system coupled with what is IMO the best car in the class. Enjoy!
The owner's manual states that it is more efficient to close the windows and use the A/C at freeway speeds, rather than open them and turn off the A/C. I can believe this because the side windows seem to catch a lot of air when open. But with the moonroof open I barely have any wind coming into the car -- so my question is, does driving with the moonroof open cause a significant amount of aerodynamic drag?
I would love to have my roof open on these sunny NorCal days, and use the A/C to keep the car comfortable at the same time. Any aerodynamics buffs in the forum that can take a stab at this one?
I contacted a number of dealers by fax and got a variety of responses ranging from no response to full MSRP+ to the deal I closed over the phone tonight.
M35x Umbria Grey/Bourbon Interior, Journey, Nav and Trunk Mat
MSRP: $48090
Invoice: $43732
Selling Price: $45600 ($2490 under MSRP/$1868 over invoice)
Lease: 39mo 12k/yr
Putting down registration/fees/etc and 9 security deposits (Total ~$5400 of which $4950 is a refundable security deposit)
Money Factor: .121 (or 2.9%)
Residual: 62%
Monthly ~ $528
The dealer is about 100 miles away (I live in South Jersey), and for an extra $200, they are going to deliver the car and complete the transaction at my house. Well worth $200 for the time I'll save. (My local dealer was unable to produce a car that fit my specs, or he would have tried to match or beat the offer).
Craig
I have reset it with each tank of gas. I now have over 3,400 miles on the car.
I made a concerted effort last night on my drive home to maximize my MPG, just to see what the 35x could muster. I got it up from 13.8 when I started to 20.2 on a 15 mile trip. I will say that the 40-50mph traffic made it more bearable to drive conservatively. I just don't think 'open road' + M = anything better than 15mpg, in my particular vehicle anyway. It's just too tempting, and too much fun to DRIVE it.
The car is averaging 17.50 mpg in combo city/highway driving. City driving is stop and go in NYC, and the highway averages 80 mph.
Overall, no problems or issues and am enjoying the car immensely.
You may have answered you own question. If you don't have any wind coming into the car then I think there is very little drag. I am cautiosly pleased by your observation. On our MDX, and on our FX, and on our old TL-S you could not open the moonroof above ~45mph w/o the wind being too loud and obtrusive into the cabin. Thus I put deflectors on all three cars so that the moonroof could be used at highway speeds (up to about 65 or so w/o problems). Are you saying that the M35 has no wind intrusion at highway speeds?
I do about 50/50 city highway.
I need to do some reading so I can take advantage of the technology.
Not in my experience. The pressure varies. I would venture nitrogen has a similar thermal coefficient to that of air since it constitutes the majority of air.
Yes, Costco did the same to the new tires on my other car. When I saw the green caps, I asked my wife where the original black ones went. She said a Costco tech told her the tires got filled with hydrogen and thus this different color. Driving on hydrogen-filled tires can be quite adventerous, I guess.
> No, not really. ...Take 15 minutes to go through all the menu options (without the user's manual), and you will see 90% of what the system does.
I actually studied the thick manual on a recent long flight to the other coast and back. Managed to get through about half of it before repeatedly falling asleep.
There are at least several things I would not learn from going over the screens:
- The car has heated back seats (nice surprise, since I did not check out the rear too much)
- The car has an AudioPilot feature that uses Bose to cancel some of the ambient noise (the name of this feature is not very descriptive). I previously thought that only the Acura RL had this feature and thus was quieter than the M.
- There may problems with locking doors when holding an Intelligent Key in the same hand operating the button on the door handle (the car thinks the key is inside)
- Frequently turning headlights on and off significantly reduces their lifetime (re: my recent experience of going through a sequence of short tunnels in NYC with the lights stick set to Auto)
- There is protection against accidentally locking the Intelligent Key in the trunk (although I found the manual inconsistent in that manner).
- Programming seat/mirror settings and linking them to the Intelligent Key, as well as setting the compass to a proper geograpical area
I bet there is more stuff like that I will learn in the second half of the manual.
I'm not sure if the Audio Pilot is quite the same as the noise cancelling. I read the manual some time ago and did not get the feeling that this was an active system monitoring ambient noise and then creating out-of-phase sound to cancel it. I could be wrong...maybe that was when I was nodding off over the manual. Time to take a second look.
As to the headlights, I purposely do not use the Auto feature for that reason. My complaint is that the Auto feature is the first de-tent (it should be the last). If I am turning the lights off in the garage, they first go off when I move from "On" to "Parking". Then they go back on again as I turn past "Auto". Because of this, I still manually turn the lights on and off, but I only move it to the "Auto" position. If I leave it in "Auto", then the lights go on in the morning in the garage when they don't need to, and then they go on again in the office parking garage. Makes you wonder if automatic headlights are a good idea with expensive xenon lights.