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Infiniti G35 vs. Acura TL
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mbednorth, "tail_out" sensation is very nice when there is no other cars around, in fact FWD has a better acceleration of the corner, but RWD getting in to the corner better. So my point is that you drive cars differently.
FDW can't handle high hp(300+), that's why you dont see many FWD sport cars.
That slight "tail-out" sensation will get you killed in snow or ice.
This is true to some extent - I'm a former Acura owner. BUT - It's not only the entry to the turn that is different it's the transition of weight from front to rear as you apply just the right amount of gas (a little oversteer please) and EXIT the turn with a little correction that puts the car in the perfect exit line and with minimal loss of momentum. The FWD car at the apex will be going slower and have to accelerate harder to maintain the same average speed because the accelaration is optimal only once the wheels are in the right line...wheels that steer and drive have a hard time unless pointed in the least resistant direction - straight with equal R/L distribution.
And the FWD seems faster I think as was fun at times...the scrubbing and understeer In my OK integra made me annoyed after 7 years.
PS: most rattles can be fixed for good by the dealer.
bodble2-Traffic? Haven't you seen the new FX commercials? When you're in an Infiniti, doesn't traffic stop?
Infiniti has a hand up on fit and finish. I seriously doubt an average TL will last as long as an average G35.
VQ has been rated many places as one of the best engines ever. And you are telling me it's not refined? And the 3.5? That thing is geared to perfection. How many times have you bucked or the car was found to be lagging? Chances are never.
I guess so. You can't drive when your eyes are watering.
"I seriously doubt an average TL will last as long as an average G35."
It would likely last longer.
"How many times have you bucked or the car was found to be lagging?"
Dunno. I don't own one.
BTW, not much snow in TO? Really? Out here in Lotusland we always hear of the storms you guys get out there.
Has anyone considered the affect AWD will have on the G35 brakes? One dealer told me the brake wear problem was due to VSC working to correct the cars trajectory. will AWD make that worse? Just a question.
That is not my experience with the car. While I can't compare it with the G35, the DSC has only come on a couple of times in the time I've owned it. Most noticably with slick conditions and flogging the car usually around turns. And it's very unobstrusive.
But I'm not sure of what the point is on that.
I used only 2 snow tires on my previous '95 Maxima (ABS but no trac) and it worked just fine.
I have heard about Honda belts breaking and then the engine is shot.
http://www.speedtv.com/programs/37/
Eddie G
Sorry.
Just to tell my situation, I test drove the rwd g because the awd wasn't prepped and the salesman said the ride is pretty much the same. I need to do an extensive test drive with the awd. I also test drove the tl and loved it!! I really need to do an extensive test drive with that.
With all the debates about the 2 cars it comes down (imho) to this: Do you want a luxury sedan or a sport sedan? It seems for every post saying "get the g" there is someone saying "get the tl".
Of course this only applies to those who find both cars equally appealing.
Eddie
In a nutshell, what Inifniti says it does is split 25/75 from a dead stop up to about 12 mph, then splits power as needed, which under dry conditions likely will be 0/100. So it acts as a RWD car unless needed. There is a "snow" button that will split power 50/50 from a dead stop, then decide on its' own what is needed.
Very sophistacted and a great compromise between RWD and the advantages of AWD
In both cases I drove the AT versions of the cars (I'd be sleeping on the couch if I came home with a manual :-). While both cars have Sport Shift autos, the G35 felt like it left you more in control. The TL seems to be less willing to let you push the limits when shifting. All in all, the G35 felt more like it was more deisgned for performance driving first, luxury sedan second while the TL was slightly more biased the other way.
This suggestion should be qualified with a very big IF. That is, IF one lives in a place where there's snow/ice on the road most of the winter, and the winter lasts for a long time.
Here in Washington, DC it snows from time to time in the winter, but you typically have no more than a total of 15 days during the entire winter, when conditions would warrant using snow tires. For the rest of the winter you're driving on clean roads free of snow and ice. By your logic, we'd have to swap the tires every other day.
All-season tires ARE a great compromise for an overwhelming majority of the US. Canada, might be a different story, but you have to remember that you're posting to audience from several countries.
That was before I put Bridgestone LS-Z's on my new TL. They are very quiet and you can drive the pee out of them. They are on the expensive side but you get what you pay for. They also have a 40K warranty so I think I am getting the best of all worlds. I know I could spring for a set of really zoot summer tires but the minute it starts raining ( that happens any season here ) I would be back to tip toeing.
Good all seasons are a good investment in this part of the country.
I didn't negotiate anything. I went to Costco and plunked down the $980 and drove away. The EL's are wrapped and are in storage under my house. I will put them back on when I eventually trade the car or sell it. I don't know if the dealer would have negotiated or not. I am waiting to see if anything comes of the tire issue with Acura. If something materializes I will go get some money.
My wife drives the TL the majority of the time and is in the car all day every day ( sales ) so I am willing to spend whatever it takes to increase her safety and comfort. Oh yeah, I also get to drive the dickens out of the tires when I am in the car !
awog
My TL has been in the garage for the last week during the snow and very cold weather so I can't comment on how they perform. The temperature for the last week here has been in the 20's and 30's and has gone back and forth between rain and snow. The LS-Z's are excellent in the rain.
I drove the car today but it is sunny and 24 degrees ( farenheit that is ). My wife is recovering from pnuenomia and is house bound so the car isn't being driven because I have a 5.9 litre Dodge Durango and just love to be out in nasty weather with it. I have Michelin M&S and they are the best tires I have ever owned..period. Nowhere I can't go in any weather wet or dry.
You're my hero!!! That's a briliant suggestion. I'll do the same. This way I know I'd be selling my car with new tires, which plays very nicely on trade-in. I use Costco as well; they only charge $9 per tire to mount and balance!
I buy on price also, has to be under $75K.
G35 has these features that TL does not
1. Compass
2. Dusk sensing headlamps
3. RWD
4. First aid kit
While TL has and G35 does not :
1. FWD
2. Trip computer
3. Power glass sunroof
4. Chrome grill
5. Passenger air bag sensing
6. Auto delay off headlamps
7. Height adjustable seats (driver& passenger)
8. Multilevel heating seats
9. Reverse tilt dual mirrors
10. Telescopic steering wheel
11. Universal remote for garage, security system
12. dual climate control
13. Memory seats for 2 drivers
14. Memorized setting for exterior mirror for 2 drivers
15. 5.1 DVD-A audio clarity
16. Bluetooth ability
Comparable feature that both car has:
1. Horsepower TL has is 270 > G35 260
2. Torque TL has is 238 < G35 260
3. Wiper TL var.intermitten <> G35 Intermitten
4. Power driver seats setting TL 10 ways > G35 8 ways
5. Stereo output TL 225 watts > G35 120 watts
6. Speakers TL has 8 > G35 6
7. Tire size TL has 17X8 > G35 has 17X7
All other features are the same like leather seats, gasoline type needed, ext temp, rear defrogger, xenon lights, power passenger seats, heated mirrors, AM/FM/6CD, ABS both car has.
LOL!
More comparable items :
8. G35 has 3.5l engine > TL 3.2l engine
9. G35 uses DOHC <> TL SOHC
10. MPG of TL is 19/29 and G35 18/26
11. G35 base MSRP $30.690 while TL's base MSRP $33.195
But no optional features installed for these comparisons.
To my surprise even Nissan altima 3.5 has telescopic steering wheel with over $7k difference.
G35 Auto w/ Premium Package (MSRP $33,890):
Reclining rear seats
Heated passenger seatback
Power entry/exit assist
Rear auto up-down windows
Compass
Auto on-off headlights
Slightly longer warranty
Bigger trunk
TL Auto (MSRP $33,195):
Auto reverse tilt side mirrors
Telescopic steering wheel
Memorized setting for side mirrors
Power driver seat lumbar (manual in G35)
DVD-a capability
Bluetooth compatibility
XM-radio
Better gas mileage
I have often read that the TL offers more features than the G35, but I feel that the feature content is similar between the two cars, especially if you don't have a Bluetooth phone (most people don't) or many DVD-audio discs (most people don't). IMO, the TL has a better quality interior while the G is more fun to drive.
Like both cars a lot and will be interested in the upgraded 05 interior that i have heard rumors about is true for the G35