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However, one thing is for sure, they start out new much much higher in price and are unaffordable "when" you do have a part to replace.
6k for an import V6 engine, 2.5k for a domestic V8 350 engine.
Now, go try and buy a used full size GM truck. Good luck finding one on a lot for more than a week and they cost almost as much as a new one. Resale on the full size domestics are landslides better than any import truck made. If you don't think this is fact, take yourself on over to the used pricing here at Edmunds. If you compare exact optioned import and a exact optioned domestic, you will see that the domestics hold their value much better if you also look at what the domestics cost up front. You are only looking at the pieces that benefit your arguement.
As for extended warranties, people buy them as they plan on keeping their vehicles. Five + years is not unheard of for an import. If you're leasing a truck, say for 3 years, what need do you have for an extended service plan? I should've bought one this time around. Its relatively cheap insurance for the first 100K especially with computer driven systems on these trannies now.
Perfect example: I had a camry that loved to chew up flywheels. Very odd and unusual problem. I had never heard of imports or domestics having such a problem. At any rate, chewed up flywheels caused chewed up starters. The import starter was $120 and it was a rebuilt starter. I may still have a receipt to prove it if I dig around. A brand new domestic starter, comparable to the import one, went on a Pontiac GrandAm was $40. Lets say each of those $40 domestic starters only lasts for 80k miles (Two GrandAm's I have owned went well over 100k without any repairs), that gives me 240k miles of service for the same $120 dollar import starter. Who would really need a lifetime warranty with that comparison?
Again, I am not slamming Toyotas in any way, including price. The higher costs are largely from taxation imposed by the US to import the parts, but it is a fair and accurate comparison and one to really think hard about when determining which is more cost effective to own.
To answer the true jest of this topic...Toyota makes trucks just as good as any other manufacturer,not better,not worse,just different.
Obviously Toyota can make trucks,they have for many years,if they couldn't they wouldn't be doing it now ,huh.
American manufacturers can make trucks too,if they couldn't they wouldn't have lasted in the business for so long.Who makes the best truck?They all do,and none of them do,depends on who you talk to.
Just one question though,what truck does Honda make?
If you want to play that way, lets ask why it took Toyota 6 weeks to replace the head gaskets in one of my Toyota truck's and 8 weeks for the other, each done at a different Toyota dealership? That is an aweful long time to replace head gaskets! Answer: They had a list as long as a desert highway with people waiting for the exact same repair to be done. I just had to wait in line.
Anything else....?
Pity. These import truck owners are all that way. They know everything, until they want to do something, plow, haul, customize or upgrade. Then it's twenty questions. Basically always the same answer. They don't make the part for Toyota yet. Doesn't fit Toyota. Voids the warranty on Toyota. But damned if they don't have reliability! To do what? You can't find one with a camper, a fifth wheel or horse trailer.
Seriously,you can buy cheap crap parts for anything if you look hard enough,and you can go get quality parts for anything that will last 100,000 miles.
Isn't 100,000 miles when most people changed the break in oil on thier slant sixes?
I'm interested in if you had a problem with your Tundra, how it was fixed and were the repairs satisfactory. My wife is looking for a new vehicle and would be interested in a new Tundra.
She refuses to even ride in my one ton 6X6 air cooled 17 cylinder radial diesel Yugo UAV. (Urban Assault Vehicle) Which y'all know is the best vehicle on the planet.
Thanks!
Rich
Why can't you just ignore him and he will go away.
As you say he has been here a while, we all know his views, and even if we didn't they are so over the top that no one would believe them anyway - so just ignore him, don't rise to the bait - without an audience he will go quiet.
I think that most 'have gotten to this point' due to something similar to ABM or Microsoft hate. In this case it seems to be ABA (Anything But American). I freely admit that I'm an American bigot and really, really dislike purchasing foreign products. BUT that's another forum, another place and another time.
How good is the Tundra? I think that we'll only find out for sure when there are, perhaps, a million on the road.
Maybe we should start a few topics, "IF YOU HATE , POST HERE". Then as we start approaching the million mark, some of the earliest versions of Tundra will start exhibiting whatever quirks that they will.
I would guess that the people that took delivery of the first 4,000 or 5,000 trucks will have the highest quality of build of any of the Tundras. Like Ford, Toyota ain't stupid. The probably went through the trucks, post build and looked for problems and fixed everything at the factory. Ford has a program where the building process is prototyped and this initial build quality is incredible. How this quality translates to the subsequent build runs we'll only know in about another million trucks. (Same is true with Ford.)
Rich
Just my preference and certainly not the same as everyones obviously. That's what makes this country great, don't ya think?
If any of you have ever been to Japan you will see their quality of life is not that great. Goods and services are very expensive in comparisoin to the U.S. This is due to their closed economy and high tarrifs on imported goods. The people of Japan suffer from all these taxes and import tarrifs the government has put into place.
I buy what I feel is the best choice for my dollar. The only country I make a point NOT to buy from is China. I'm telling you, we are going to have a conflict with the Giant we are feeding.
I've been to Japan many times. Their culture is definitely different than ours, but the people seemed decent and hard-working. If your boycotting their products your barking up the wrong bonzai tree!
I don't buy 'made in China' on anything, period. If you read the labels in Walmart, there are PLENTY of 'Made in USA'. Its up to you to put the merchandise down and got to another store, which isn't as convenient.
In my book, all the trucks are manufactured well. Its just personal preference as to what you buy. I bought my Corolla instead of a Prizm because I liked the interior and color options on the paint better...and got a slightly more discounted price. But the fact remains, both cars are manufactured here and someone got paid to do it. So before we go Japan-bashing, just remember that.
To qualify as domestic, 51% has to come from US.
But Toyota is more than 1% away from being a domestic, since of the remaining 50%, a portion still comes from 3rd party countries, including Mexico.
Since the engine and transmission account for more than 50% of the price of a new vehicle, this won't change for Toyota as long as the Yen continues to rise, or they shift production of those components to U.S.
Just to add, i have worked one union job several summers and it payed for my Bachelor degree.
Does anybody have the figures on the % of foreign parts in the other Big 3? I'd be curious to know.