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  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    cliffy1 , and the Sequoia is due out _-__-2000?

    rubluetoo, have you ever thought about volunteering for a case study at a Psychiatric facility?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    The Sequoia will be out "fall of 2000" according to the information they are sending us. My hunch is that we will have one in the dealership in August and sellable inventory in September.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Our buddy ruby has done a great job of fooling all of us but I think I have figured him out. He is not the inbred fool he portrays himself to be. If you notice his syntax, it is just too consistent and his spelling never changes. His arguments are misguided but follow a distinct logic. He has a good memory. All of this tells me he is simply mocking us by playing the fool.

    If I had to guess, I would say he has a college degree and is in his early 30s. He probably lives in the mid West and has a white collar job. Rubluetoo is his alter ego. Even the pseudonym is too complicated for a genuine idiot. "Are you Blue (nickname for Chevy) also?" I don't want to give this guy too much credit but I believe he is a very clever 'agent provocateur.'

    Did I guess right? I know you wouldn't admit it if I did, but you have left too many clues. if you were as stupid as you try to sound, you wouldn't be able to find the power cord to your computer and we would see variations in spelling and grammar.
  • macduffmacduff Member Posts: 15
    I think you're right. I've suspected for a long time that Rublew is a shill for Ford or GM. I understand he's all over the other Toyota topics too. Who has that much time on their hands, unles he's doing it for an ulterior reason?
  • bob259bob259 Member Posts: 280
    My guess would be he's a Big 3 exec.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I have never seen him miss a period or improperly use a comma. His capitalization is perfect which is more than I can say about myself. I just think he watched Deliverance one too many times to get the vernacular down. Good luck on this one now!
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    As far as LSPV, I am sure if you define the acronym, I will know what you are referring to.

    As far as the Salesman comment, you are correct, I was out of line. Sorry you feel I am a jackass, but I feel I am just repeating the jackass type posts of the Tundra owners here on Edmunds. They started the feud.

    As far as why I don't feel Tundra fits my purpose.....many things. Locking diff is very important to me for one. No long bed in access cab. shallower bed (I haul lots of firewood, cement, etc. as I do a lot of "extra types" of work for extra money). How about no lumbar and very uncomfortable seats. How about cheap radio heads and controls. I mean, I could go on and on, but like I said before, it is all based on my need and preferences, not quality and reliability. The same goes to you Tundra owners. If you prefer the Tundra over the Silverado, fine, I respect that. However, don't follow your reasons of "preference" with slams of the domestic trucks and a so-called superiority or reliablity factor. If you do, that is when "YOU" are the clueless JACKASS!

    That's all I gots to say about that!
  • kirbytkirbyt Member Posts: 39
    couple of quick questions.
    Today on a delivery truck I saw a new Tundra that looked like it had a star emblem on the upper half of the cab. Is there a new Ltd Edition coming out? Can't be too exact as I was going the opposite way on the road.

    Has Toyota release any news as to when the next models would be released since the truck introduced almost a year ago? I waiting for an updated rear seat. Current production units are too flat and straight.

    And since you are a salesman do you think that your dealership fits the average stereotype of Toyota dealer.

    And I agree with your observations as to rubluetoo? I just wish he would realize that Toyota does not add anything at the factory like the Big-3. Toyota has their distributors do that at the 'Port'. Makes it quicker to customize for the dealer or the customer. But then again, the salesmen at the local dealers are not quite as sharp as you let us believe. They kept telling me it was not up to the dealer as to what 'Port' options were added. Still have not bought the Tundra yet, just waiting.

    Thanks for your participation on the forum.
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    I totally agree with Cliffy1, Rube sure can master the scanner thing and posting pics. He is probably a local Chevy salesman that was fired from a Toyota dealership because he could not cut it or is a Chevy truck owner that is regreting his purchase.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    So you do alot of rock climbing? Or, do you only have 2WD?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    i'll try to take the questions in order. First, I have not seen anything with a star on it. There will be an Ivan Stewart edition coming out with a custom grill and other accessories but I do't know when it will be out.

    While the '00 tundra came out in May, they are putting it on a normal model year so we wont see the '01 until August. I don't know if they are planning on changing the seat or not.

    I absolutely do not consider the store I work for to be typical in any manner. We have a very low turnover, have a much higher than average experience level, we are one of only 9 dealerships in the country that have received Toyota's presidents Award for 14 straight years and we like coming to work. I am fiercely proud of where I work and there are not too many salespeople across the country who are.

    Why do you ask.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    So lets summarize this. Due to its lack of a long bed in the access cab, locking differential, lumbar support, deep bed and high end stereo, you would not buy a Tundra. Fine. What are you doing here?

    As a truck owner, I have never had reason to need a locker and I am much more comfortable with the long term reliability hopes on an open differential. The shallow bed works for me because it is easier to get my fishing gear out. I like the seats and find them much more comfortable then the Chevy and have no idea how you could expect a better stereo in a truck.

    I prefer the ride of the Tundra. I like the styling, the ergonomics , the quiteness, the power, braking handling and overall feel of the Tundra. I like having an electronic throttle control. I like having a load sensing proportion valve (LSPV). I like 4 piston caliper front brakes and see no need for rear discs in a truck.

    Reasonable people can have different criteria for their personal vehicles. It is my opinion that more people would be choosing the Tundra if they gave it half a chance. Since you need a long bed and an extended cab, the story ends right there for you. Check back in a couple of years and Toyota may have something for you if the market causes Toyota to build one.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Whatever man.
  • 606zpx606zpx Member Posts: 75
    I was very interested in this Ivan Stewart Edition and was told by someone with Toyota home office (or whatever) that there wont actually be a separate edition of the Tundra but actually a kit available from TRD. I didnt know whether or not to believe that. If you have more specific info or can confirm that there will be a separate edition, please let me know!
    thanks
    606zpx@excite.com
    please feel free to email me if so desired, cliffy
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Take it easy on that reload button. My understanding is that the Ivan Stewart model will come from TRD. I was told that it will be available as an option package and the individual parts will be able to be purchased separately as well.

    I can't remember everything that will be on it except for the front grill and bumper and special fender flares. I know there is more but it escapes me now. When I get more info, I'll pass it on.
  • powercatpowercat Member Posts: 96
    Speaking of the Ivan Stewart edition. Does anyone know specifics on the race-inspired coil over lift kit for the Tundra? FabTech makes it and I was wondering if anyone has it yet or heard anything about it. Some specs are: Adjustable height from 0-2.5" , stainless, replaces front coil assy., and shocks. How reliable are these systems? Available from performance products for $821.95.
    BTW I was cruising some of the "Little Whiny 3" conferences and those Sliveroddo's are just riddled with problems. It's comforting to know that I made the right choice.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    Just a hunch, but I bet rubluetoo = Dave40, aka Chevy lover.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    For all you Tundra owners, I found out something interesting with the jack today. I pulled out the jack to lift the rear wheels to see if the emergency brake was too tight - it seemed tight from the pedal and have seen other posts on this. It wasn't too tight (no brake drag), but I loosened it up a little anyway. Anyway, the J hook on the jack handle would not fit in the jack (its a screw type bottle jack, similar to that used on older Chevys, maybe new ones too, don't know). I had to spend about 15 minutes filing down the rough edges on the J hook. Boy, I'm just glad that I was at home with my tools and not stuck on the side of the road somewhere. By the way, the jack says "Made in Canada". This same jack is probably supplied to other truck makes also.
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    No rock climbing, but plenty of other things that make a locker really nice. Nice try.

    I do a LOT of offroading in areas of hunting and such where I go for several miles of dirt roads and I mean no gravel and sometimes no path. There are lots fo 3 and for feet deep ruts cut from no gravel or anything to hold the ground.

    I also find it very beneficial on rainy days and such where 4wd is way overkill but from starts, the extra traction is great to have.

    There are many reasons to have a locker over an open axle. Rock climbing being a very extreme need that I don't have.

    Besides, a locker option is only about a $200 dollar option, if that. Why for all's sake did they see merit in one on the Tacoma's but a larger truck does not need or merit one. Face it, Toyota dropped the ball big time here.
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    Fine. All you have said is the same thing I have said time and time again, with the exception of the reliability thing. If you want one example of where your reliability stats are 100% wrong, just go visit the "Tundra Impressions" topic on page one. A guy's Tundra, brand new had a valve stick on him. Left him walking. New head, valves, etc. He will be lucky if he has the same quality of engine after it's all done. Not to mention the time he is without his truck and no loaner for him to drive. Toyota quality????

    My GM trucks have NEVER left me walking.

    The reliability advantage is just a long shot attempt to make Tundra owners feel better about why they spent way too much for their trucks. My opinion.
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    Give it time my friend, it will, trust me it will.
  • cliffy2cliffy2 Member Posts: 6
    We can argue until the cows come home about reliability and we will get nowhere. No body has every said that Toyota has never had a break down. On average, I don't think even Chevy can dispute that the Toyota has a better chance of not having a major problem in the long term. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence to argue this but in my experience, the reputation holds. Your experience may be different but that does not make it the only possible experience.

    As to the locker in the Tundra versus the Tacoma, are you off your rocker? I sell these things and can tell you that the locker in the Taco is purely window dressing. It is for getting unstuck only and should never be driven above 5 MPH. A technical guy like yourself should know that. I am a hunter as well and get into some interesting situations and have NEVER been stuck with an open differential. This is anecdotal as well but I think the whole locker/LSD/open differential argument is blown way out of proportion.
  • cliffy2cliffy2 Member Posts: 6
    Give it a rest man. Ivan Stewart is a race truck driver and we will have an option package sometime bearing his name. As I stated before, I don't know what will be included but I will keep everybody posted.

    It is nice to see that you are so interested.
  • cliffy2cliffy2 Member Posts: 6
    There is an AP wire story today that contradicts an assertion of mine about the 4 door Tacoma. According to the piece, we will have a "double cab" Tacoma in October. I'll let you know when I get more details.
  • smcpherrsmcpherr Member Posts: 114
    Cliffy, did you get an upgrade from Cliffy1 to Cliffy2? Cash in a few "frequent flier" miles?
  • kirbytkirbyt Member Posts: 39
    Rubluetoo,
    Ivan Stewart is a professional driver that has a big reputation on the off-road circuit. As such anything with that background is either fluff or designed for hard running in the desert. Nothing meant for the hard working needs of the working truck buyer. If you are waiting to buy a Tundra for heavy usage on the farm then just give up. Knowing what you keep poking fun towards tell us that only the Big-3 will ever build a real truck. At least by your definition! But most of the Toyota truck buyers have been delighted by the Tundra either by moving up from a previous Toyota or just want something that a bit smaller or practical for their daily use. I will finally buy the Tundra because it's smaller than the Chevy/GMC. I really like the new GMCs and spent a lifetime in PUs it seems. But if you want to overload like many owners then forget the Tundra and go with a big 1 ton or dually with a real working engine, a diesel. Then I'll salute you for your wise choice.
    Till then sit back and just enjoy the problems that the Tindra owners all have and ignore the problems mentioned in the Big 3 postings.

    In the end, to each it's own. :-)
  • rrentroprrentrop Member Posts: 2
    Info on the Crew Cab Tacoma can be found at http://www.pickuptruck.com
  • joecarojoecaro Member Posts: 44
    Tell me how you guys got all the color into your post.
  • kirbytkirbyt Member Posts: 39
    What about those fancy Dodges, Two-Tone Chevrolets and Fords now! Plus add on Z71 decals and the pin stripping on the Ford Lariats. Then Dodge offers the racing stripes on their hot rod Ram and Dakota models. Heck ever since the first cars came out in "Model-T black" people are trying to find ways to make that pride and joy something special. Not just the foreign products it's on all things we own. I know that you remember the Duke boy's car 'General Lee' and Miss Duke never wore just black and white. Come on now Rubluetoo and come up with better line of attack. But can we agree that the Dodge Yellow is a bit much?
  • edk4edk4 Member Posts: 5
    just drove home a new Tundra V8 4x4 and when it idles the oil presure goes down to almost bottom.
    Haven't bought it yet but concerned about that pressure.
    IS THIS NORMAL it has 20 miles on it.
    ED
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    With the Tundra V8 at normal operating temperature and at idle, my oil pressure gage registers on the first tick mark above the bottom. At 70 mph, the oil gage shows about 3/4 full scale. This is within the normal range per the owners manual. This is also normal per other Tundra owners posts. This is also similar to other Toyotas that I have driven.

    If your not aware by now, it's not wise to pay any attention to rubluetoo's, aka Dave40's, aka Chevy lover's comments on the Tundra.
  • redfox1redfox1 Member Posts: 42
    I have a question for you two gentlemen: On Edmunds Silverado 1500 LS 4WD Extended Cab Chat Line they have a category called "2000 Chevy Silverado Vibrations. As of 10 Feb '00 @ 1:11 PM there were 443 posts! How do you explain these? Also, on the same board there is a chat line "Chevy Silverado Continued VII. As of 10 Feb '00, 11:27 AM rhere were 108 posts. Bud light dude, I did not see a single post by you in those 108 posts. Aren't you proud enough of your Silverado to brag about it? Why do you do all your posts on a "TUNDRA" chat line? Is it because you are jealous of those of us who had the good judgement to buy TUNDRAS? Am curious what kind of a reply these two questions will generate.
  • truckguytruckguy Member Posts: 15
    My oil pressure gauge does the same thing: at idle the needle registers toward the bottom of the scale, at higher speeds it registers towards the top.

    I talked to a friend of mine who currently owns a Chevy and has had at least one other Chevy previously and he says that his oil pressure gauge does the same thing.
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    It is normal.
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    I guess the guys with the white coats haven't shown up yet.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    All of us Tundra owners and wannabes are quite capable of finding the Tundra topics on this boards. I have all of them on my placemarks. When you cut and paste one post all over the Tundra topics all it does is waste our time filtering through it all. By the way, what say you about this connection between rubluetoo and Dave40. I posted this a while back and haven't heard a response.
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    I remember taking my T100 (95 V6) to the dealer and talking about this issue, same answer "it is normal", "check your manual". The manual did indicate with a diagram that at idle it was almost at the lowest point possible. Never did like that.

    rubluetoo, white coats are on the way, keep looking over yer shoulder.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    A real oil pressure guage will always show a low amount at idle. That's the way an oil pump works since it is engine driven. If you have guages that give you a steady pressure then it is not accurate. All the Tundra guage is telling you is that your oil pressure is lower at idle than at full throttle. I have no indicators on my guage other than the range it is suppose to be in so can't say what the PSI is at idle. Mine is always in the operating range and I'll only be concerned if it is outside the norm or changes from what I expect to see.
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    Why don't you and your Chevy boys get a topic of your own to bash the Tundra and get off of this one. You are just making a fool of yourself. Talk like you Chevy lovers provide make me feel that my Tundra purchase was the best decision and that I never want a GM product. Good luck on this one now.
  • eagleeye1eagleeye1 Member Posts: 36
    I am sure that they are being paid to do this. They are experiencing buyer remorse and are looking for any excuse to justify buying a squeek and rattle Cheby. Anyone that raves about a truck with a JDPower initial problem rating of 192 vs. the average of 176 (lower is better), needs our sympathy. By the way Rube, Toyota's number is 162...a whole lot less problems than them Chebys. Good luck on this one now!
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Toyota uses an actual gauge. Ford does not and I don't know about Chevy. Ford has wht looks like a gauge but it is always at one spot because it is an on/off switch. If you have a problem, the needle drops to zero. If you have any pressure, it jumps just past the midway point. It is a false gauge and no better than an "idiot light" (no Rube, I'm not talking about your porch light).

    It is normal to register a very low reading at idle.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    Some metal in the used oil is to be expected at the first oil change. I could see metallic reflections in my old oil when held it up to the sunlight. Tundra V8 changed at 1000 miles.

    A couple of years ago when I did the first oil change on my girl friends Pontiac Firebird 3.8L, I remember seeing significantly more metal particles in the oil (actually the first couple of changes) than in the Tundra.

    Regarding the oil pressure issue: Have you looked at your owners manual? It clearly shows what is normal. Mine, when its hot and at idle, sets right on the first index mark above the bottom of the scale, which is normal. If you are really concerned, get a good quality oil pressure gage such as a SUN and connect it where the oil pressure sending unit is. You will also need to know what the minimum spec is for the 4.7L, which should be found in the service manual. For my old 84 Supra, the minimum allowable at idle was 4.8 psi and at 3000 rpm was 42 psi. I was concerned with my Supra's oil pressure since it also put the needle right on the index mark just above the bottom at hot idle. Using the Sun oil pressure gage, this corresponded to about 18 psi. At 3000 rpm and with the oil gage needle at about 5/8 to 3/4 on the scale corresponded to about 65 psi. I quite worrying about it after this. Sometime later I rebuilt the engine due to oil leaks from the seals and gaskets at about 175,000 miles and the engine bearings had no measurable wear.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    Hey rubluetoo, I see you showed up again. What say about this connection to Dave40, aka Chevy Lover.
  • edk4edk4 Member Posts: 5
    I tried out a second Tundra today and the Oil pressure was the same when at idle (low)
    They took my first Tundra in for a look and a test drive and said it was about normal. The mechanics said the V 8 were supposed to hold from 4 to 7 lbs of oil pressure at idle.
    So I am now the proud owner of New Tundra. About 500 over invoice. However I still don't like that Oil Pressure Gauge. I would rather it lie to me than to read zero.
    ED
  • redfox1redfox1 Member Posts: 42
    How come you haven't had any posts during the last couple of days? Is it a case that you have no reasonable answer to the questions concerning Silverados?At least Rubluetoo comes up with replies , even tho they are feeble and inane. Have you finally realized that the Tundra is a superior vehicle than the Silverado , and that you goofed? Curious to hear your reply.
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    No. You're just another one of them Tundra jockies who knows nothing about mechanics or the design characteristics of your truck that you paid far too much money for. There is little need to to reply to you. Even if I responded with something about your truck in mechanical design, etc., you wouldn't know what I was talking about anyway.

    The reason I havn't posted in the Chevy topics much is because none of them are having ANY problems witht their trucks and all they talk about is the add on equipment they have bought and the order status of their purchases. Not as interesting as hearing of engine replacements on the Tundra like the one guy in Toyota Impressions topic with less than 9k miles on his Tundra!

    The vibration the GM trucks had were all in the 2wd trucks and due to the wheels and tires they used, both third party vendors. The vibration in the Tundra, however, still has not been fixed and no known cause has been found. Hmmmm. Gotta love that Toyota quality advantage, huh?

    Good luck on that one now!
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    Bud Light Dude is NOT serious.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    Hey rubluetoo, I mean dave40, why did all of your early posts in topic #535 get deleted?
  • cwirthcwirth Member Posts: 169
    are nothing compared to the vast array of problems GM products have had. So to Rube and all the other Chevy lovers out there, all your talk will never sway me unless the overall quality of Toyota products fall well below that of GM, which I doubt will ever happen. Remember, you get what you pay for. GM may be cheaper but so is the quality.
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    the postings on the Chevy Silverado topic sure don't reveal any real problems. I also think that some of the problem postings of the Silverado are sabatoged postings by Toyota owners. If you look, most of the problems posted are just a reiteration of the same few that have been posted a zillion times. Vibration due to wheels and tires on the 2wd models is the worst one I have heard. If that is worst of the problems, then the Silverado is much more reliable than the Tundra.

    Like I have said before, the so-called problems that the GM trucks have had never left anyone walking. The Tundra has had several, including the self destructing engine in the Tundra topic on the first page, that left the owner thumbing it.

    I have owned many GM trucks over the last 16 years. None of them have EVER left me walking. I have owned two Tacoma trucks and a camry. Both Tacomas left me stranded with major head gasket failure before 40k miles. A Camry had self destructing flywheels and starters. It left me walking a couple times also (actually my wife...not good).

    So, I have even bought well used GM trucks with high miles that never broke down and left me walking. Three brand new Toyota's all left me walking at some point of ownership.

    Guess I should have read Consumer Reports! At least I would have "felt" a little better hearing about all those other Toyota owners and how high of quality they stated their Toyota's were.

    As far as my mechanical competence, I am not an expert mechanic, but I am certainly way more informed about my trucks than the Toyota Tundra owners have revealed about their trucks. I can overhauled many 283's, 327's, and 350's in my day.

    I guess the fact that you can't "reliabily" and "feasibly" overhaul a Toyota engine, may be why you Tundra owners don't have as much knowledge about your trucks, so I will give you all a little more credit from here on out.

    Keep reading that CR magazine! Tons of Toyota owners live by it, I hear!
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