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rubluetoo, have you ever thought about volunteering for a case study at a Psychiatric facility?
If I had to guess, I would say he has a college degree and is in his early 30s. He probably lives in the mid West and has a white collar job. Rubluetoo is his alter ego. Even the pseudonym is too complicated for a genuine idiot. "Are you Blue (nickname for Chevy) also?" I don't want to give this guy too much credit but I believe he is a very clever 'agent provocateur.'
Did I guess right? I know you wouldn't admit it if I did, but you have left too many clues. if you were as stupid as you try to sound, you wouldn't be able to find the power cord to your computer and we would see variations in spelling and grammar.
As far as the Salesman comment, you are correct, I was out of line. Sorry you feel I am a jackass, but I feel I am just repeating the jackass type posts of the Tundra owners here on Edmunds. They started the feud.
As far as why I don't feel Tundra fits my purpose.....many things. Locking diff is very important to me for one. No long bed in access cab. shallower bed (I haul lots of firewood, cement, etc. as I do a lot of "extra types" of work for extra money). How about no lumbar and very uncomfortable seats. How about cheap radio heads and controls. I mean, I could go on and on, but like I said before, it is all based on my need and preferences, not quality and reliability. The same goes to you Tundra owners. If you prefer the Tundra over the Silverado, fine, I respect that. However, don't follow your reasons of "preference" with slams of the domestic trucks and a so-called superiority or reliablity factor. If you do, that is when "YOU" are the clueless JACKASS!
That's all I gots to say about that!
Today on a delivery truck I saw a new Tundra that looked like it had a star emblem on the upper half of the cab. Is there a new Ltd Edition coming out? Can't be too exact as I was going the opposite way on the road.
Has Toyota release any news as to when the next models would be released since the truck introduced almost a year ago? I waiting for an updated rear seat. Current production units are too flat and straight.
And since you are a salesman do you think that your dealership fits the average stereotype of Toyota dealer.
And I agree with your observations as to rubluetoo? I just wish he would realize that Toyota does not add anything at the factory like the Big-3. Toyota has their distributors do that at the 'Port'. Makes it quicker to customize for the dealer or the customer. But then again, the salesmen at the local dealers are not quite as sharp as you let us believe. They kept telling me it was not up to the dealer as to what 'Port' options were added. Still have not bought the Tundra yet, just waiting.
Thanks for your participation on the forum.
While the '00 tundra came out in May, they are putting it on a normal model year so we wont see the '01 until August. I don't know if they are planning on changing the seat or not.
I absolutely do not consider the store I work for to be typical in any manner. We have a very low turnover, have a much higher than average experience level, we are one of only 9 dealerships in the country that have received Toyota's presidents Award for 14 straight years and we like coming to work. I am fiercely proud of where I work and there are not too many salespeople across the country who are.
Why do you ask.
As a truck owner, I have never had reason to need a locker and I am much more comfortable with the long term reliability hopes on an open differential. The shallow bed works for me because it is easier to get my fishing gear out. I like the seats and find them much more comfortable then the Chevy and have no idea how you could expect a better stereo in a truck.
I prefer the ride of the Tundra. I like the styling, the ergonomics , the quiteness, the power, braking handling and overall feel of the Tundra. I like having an electronic throttle control. I like having a load sensing proportion valve (LSPV). I like 4 piston caliper front brakes and see no need for rear discs in a truck.
Reasonable people can have different criteria for their personal vehicles. It is my opinion that more people would be choosing the Tundra if they gave it half a chance. Since you need a long bed and an extended cab, the story ends right there for you. Check back in a couple of years and Toyota may have something for you if the market causes Toyota to build one.
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please feel free to email me if so desired, cliffy
I can't remember everything that will be on it except for the front grill and bumper and special fender flares. I know there is more but it escapes me now. When I get more info, I'll pass it on.
BTW I was cruising some of the "Little Whiny 3" conferences and those Sliveroddo's are just riddled with problems. It's comforting to know that I made the right choice.
I do a LOT of offroading in areas of hunting and such where I go for several miles of dirt roads and I mean no gravel and sometimes no path. There are lots fo 3 and for feet deep ruts cut from no gravel or anything to hold the ground.
I also find it very beneficial on rainy days and such where 4wd is way overkill but from starts, the extra traction is great to have.
There are many reasons to have a locker over an open axle. Rock climbing being a very extreme need that I don't have.
Besides, a locker option is only about a $200 dollar option, if that. Why for all's sake did they see merit in one on the Tacoma's but a larger truck does not need or merit one. Face it, Toyota dropped the ball big time here.
My GM trucks have NEVER left me walking.
The reliability advantage is just a long shot attempt to make Tundra owners feel better about why they spent way too much for their trucks. My opinion.
As to the locker in the Tundra versus the Tacoma, are you off your rocker? I sell these things and can tell you that the locker in the Taco is purely window dressing. It is for getting unstuck only and should never be driven above 5 MPH. A technical guy like yourself should know that. I am a hunter as well and get into some interesting situations and have NEVER been stuck with an open differential. This is anecdotal as well but I think the whole locker/LSD/open differential argument is blown way out of proportion.
It is nice to see that you are so interested.
Ivan Stewart is a professional driver that has a big reputation on the off-road circuit. As such anything with that background is either fluff or designed for hard running in the desert. Nothing meant for the hard working needs of the working truck buyer. If you are waiting to buy a Tundra for heavy usage on the farm then just give up. Knowing what you keep poking fun towards tell us that only the Big-3 will ever build a real truck. At least by your definition! But most of the Toyota truck buyers have been delighted by the Tundra either by moving up from a previous Toyota or just want something that a bit smaller or practical for their daily use. I will finally buy the Tundra because it's smaller than the Chevy/GMC. I really like the new GMCs and spent a lifetime in PUs it seems. But if you want to overload like many owners then forget the Tundra and go with a big 1 ton or dually with a real working engine, a diesel. Then I'll salute you for your wise choice.
Till then sit back and just enjoy the problems that the Tindra owners all have and ignore the problems mentioned in the Big 3 postings.
In the end, to each it's own. :-)
Haven't bought it yet but concerned about that pressure.
IS THIS NORMAL it has 20 miles on it.
ED
If your not aware by now, it's not wise to pay any attention to rubluetoo's, aka Dave40's, aka Chevy lover's comments on the Tundra.
I talked to a friend of mine who currently owns a Chevy and has had at least one other Chevy previously and he says that his oil pressure gauge does the same thing.
rubluetoo, white coats are on the way, keep looking over yer shoulder.
It is normal to register a very low reading at idle.
A couple of years ago when I did the first oil change on my girl friends Pontiac Firebird 3.8L, I remember seeing significantly more metal particles in the oil (actually the first couple of changes) than in the Tundra.
Regarding the oil pressure issue: Have you looked at your owners manual? It clearly shows what is normal. Mine, when its hot and at idle, sets right on the first index mark above the bottom of the scale, which is normal. If you are really concerned, get a good quality oil pressure gage such as a SUN and connect it where the oil pressure sending unit is. You will also need to know what the minimum spec is for the 4.7L, which should be found in the service manual. For my old 84 Supra, the minimum allowable at idle was 4.8 psi and at 3000 rpm was 42 psi. I was concerned with my Supra's oil pressure since it also put the needle right on the index mark just above the bottom at hot idle. Using the Sun oil pressure gage, this corresponded to about 18 psi. At 3000 rpm and with the oil gage needle at about 5/8 to 3/4 on the scale corresponded to about 65 psi. I quite worrying about it after this. Sometime later I rebuilt the engine due to oil leaks from the seals and gaskets at about 175,000 miles and the engine bearings had no measurable wear.
They took my first Tundra in for a look and a test drive and said it was about normal. The mechanics said the V 8 were supposed to hold from 4 to 7 lbs of oil pressure at idle.
So I am now the proud owner of New Tundra. About 500 over invoice. However I still don't like that Oil Pressure Gauge. I would rather it lie to me than to read zero.
ED
The reason I havn't posted in the Chevy topics much is because none of them are having ANY problems witht their trucks and all they talk about is the add on equipment they have bought and the order status of their purchases. Not as interesting as hearing of engine replacements on the Tundra like the one guy in Toyota Impressions topic with less than 9k miles on his Tundra!
The vibration the GM trucks had were all in the 2wd trucks and due to the wheels and tires they used, both third party vendors. The vibration in the Tundra, however, still has not been fixed and no known cause has been found. Hmmmm. Gotta love that Toyota quality advantage, huh?
Good luck on that one now!
Like I have said before, the so-called problems that the GM trucks have had never left anyone walking. The Tundra has had several, including the self destructing engine in the Tundra topic on the first page, that left the owner thumbing it.
I have owned many GM trucks over the last 16 years. None of them have EVER left me walking. I have owned two Tacoma trucks and a camry. Both Tacomas left me stranded with major head gasket failure before 40k miles. A Camry had self destructing flywheels and starters. It left me walking a couple times also (actually my wife...not good).
So, I have even bought well used GM trucks with high miles that never broke down and left me walking. Three brand new Toyota's all left me walking at some point of ownership.
Guess I should have read Consumer Reports! At least I would have "felt" a little better hearing about all those other Toyota owners and how high of quality they stated their Toyota's were.
As far as my mechanical competence, I am not an expert mechanic, but I am certainly way more informed about my trucks than the Toyota Tundra owners have revealed about their trucks. I can overhauled many 283's, 327's, and 350's in my day.
I guess the fact that you can't "reliabily" and "feasibly" overhaul a Toyota engine, may be why you Tundra owners don't have as much knowledge about your trucks, so I will give you all a little more credit from here on out.
Keep reading that CR magazine! Tons of Toyota owners live by it, I hear!