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Nissan Titan vs. Ford F150
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m bowke, you sound like a car salesman or a dodge hater. probably the latter since a car salesman would know that the values between the trucks are based on retail values. besides, ive run a business for over 25 years and i've picked up a little knowledge along the way. We always knew there were a lot of dodge haters out there (not so much in the country, but the cities) and that men, especially, have this thing about which truck is better and like to cut each other's machinery down. in horses its testosterone. I think the same thing applies, especially to big boys toys. My husband and i really dont care what name is on the truck. we stuck it out with ford because we at one time thought they made a good product. Well, we paid the price there too. so now someone else will get our business. We like the dodges at lot and have been real surprized that neither one has had to back to the dealer yet. with our fords it was always after the first month or so. even if the ford was worth $500 more than the dodge we wouldve spent half that much in gas by now just shuttling it back and forth for service!
m bowke, i think you missed my point. trade-in values are just about directly proportional to the retail values. the more you spend, the more youll get back. around here the dodges have been the premuim truck in the last few years and there are few used ones to find. like i said in my earlier post, after 6 years and 150,000 miles i think the resale question is moot, anyways. when we traded out last ford off, there were chevy people saying the same thing. so we asked a friend in the used car business (not a new car dealer) and he said theres almost no difference. aNd when we checked the dodges that were for sale, they had higher prices than the fords around here. so i know youre not right on this. ive done my homework. Besides, at this point i'm not sure it would matter to us. my husbands so angry that he's considering trading the ford tractors we have, although im going to have to rein him in on that one, i think.
try this one instead...
the more you spend, the more you lose.
vehicles depreciate by percentages, so if you buy a $10k car, you will lose about $5000 in the first 3 years (retail). but if you buy a $30k car, you will lose about $15k in the same amount of time. yes, you get $10k more for the $30k car, but you are jumping over a dollar to get to a dime, my friend.
"yup, the sunroof makes it worth more at trade-in"
this is a tool used by morons to get you to buy what is in front of you instead of what you want. if you want a sunroof but they dont have a vehicle with one, they say "if you get this one, you save THOUSANDS!!!"
but if you dont want one, and they have one with a sunroof, it becomes "you will get your money back at resale"
unfortunately, you have fallen for this trickery. you arent the first and you wont be the last either.
now...dealing with your dodge/ford comparison, you are right. resale is about equal. however...my comment was in relation to the titan, which is what this board is about.
But remember, looks are personal taste and i am not knocking anyone if they don't agree with me.
At one point or another, you eventually pay for it either way. Some at start up, some during the length of the ownership, other's at the end....
As far as the ford Dodge comparison, I thought this was about ford too. You were the one that brought up trade in value of the Dodge.
you said: "At trade in time the same 2 trucks are worth roughly the same in percentage from their retail prices, but the chevy will return more because you paid more for it."
you are SOOOO lost. the chevy will return more, but with the same percentage of depreciation, you've LOST more money. step back and punt.
OR in reverse senario, they can give you a great deal on a new vehicle, while placing the difference on the trade-in vehicle, making it seem like your really getting nothing for it.
Either way, most are very sneaky and will try to screw you over one way or another. Best thing to do is get your information online, compared, look at blue book values, look for rebates, and just inform yourself as much as possible. And even better, just selling it yourself if you have the time.
"you think your dad had a bad time trading a chevy?! just wait till you try it with your dodge!"
it is common knowledge in the car business that chrysler products have some of the worst resale values. this is not in dispute. this is from real world facts. it is also factual that nissan products hold value better than all domestics. all i was trying to say was that you wont have any advantage in trading your dodge than the chevy. this is the point ive been trying to get across, but you seem intent on telling me that my years of exerience mean nothing. am i talking down to you? no. my statements are backed up with facts. if you feel spoken down to, then its the facts that are doing it. not me.
actually, i find it rampant on here that dodge truck owners, while they own the vehicles, will say almost anything to defend the decision to buy it...but when trade-in time comes along, most will say something to the effect of "ill never get one of those dad gummed things again!"
You must think im a dunce, or something. Earlier you said "now...dealing with your dodge/ford comparison, you are right. resale is about equal." now suddenly, again, you are trying to say "it is common knowledge in the car business that chrysler products have some of the worst resale values" in a discussion about Dodge trucks! as to Dodge truck owners regretting their purchase because of resale, ive never heard one say it. In fact, in recent years theyve been saying the opposite.
to morgan...
by no means did i intend to get personal. if you took it that way, then its a communication problem.
there are hundreds of gigs of information, much of which is about dodge trucks. i just left the hemi/titan discussion where people were intentionally insulting me, salespeople in general, asians as a race, etc...
im sick of it, and i mistakenly lumped you in with them. sorry.
Nice insult to 50% of the human race.
Wrong again - on both counts!
"For 2004, RAM still rules as the longest lasting full-size pickup on the road."
- Dodge RAM sales brochure #74-383-2408. Based on R.L. Polk and Company Vehicles In Operation (VIO) statistics for trucks, 7/83 - 7/02.
Morgan, since you are into horses you know that a healthy horse is not merely judged by what somebody with self-proclaimed credibility says, especially the seller. Nor would you rely solely on what someone said about somebody elses horse when they're trying to sell you another. That is why you look a horse in the mouth. Right?
You will note that examples of claims against Dodge have not been readily forth coming. You are expected to allow the opinions of someone in sales to be rammed down your throat.
I could most certainly throw in MY credibility card since I have at least as many years in the automobile business as anybody in here (fortunately, not in sales), but I won't because what I say does not need to rely on "credibility."
With respect to resale, you are right, Morgan. Not only that, but there are local market rules that make a broad statement about resale very foolish indeed. Around here Dodge truck resale values are higher than Ford. That's probably not true for eastern seaboard or the southeast, where Ford is thought of more fondly. In the Rochester, New York Truck Trader for January, there were 258 Chevys, 60 GMCs, 213 Fords, and 31 Dodges for sale used. It cannot be good for dealers selling Ford or GM trucks when the market contains so many.
My company has run Ford F-series for a number of years. Sorry to hear of your sour results with Ford. I would not judge them so harshly, but that is your priviledge. You're most certainly not the first. But as we shift from F-series LDPUs to Dodges, we've found two things. One, we are taking a killing on F-series resale value. Two, the new RAMs we've got in service so far have been the most trouble-free of any PU we've ever had.
You've obviously got a strong sense of identifying bias an bs. If you're expecting fair treatment in conversation, I advise you to go into another forum.
Regards,
Dusty
A lot of the problems we run into on the boards are because people don't take things the way they were intended, or read something into a posting, then reply... and that reply gets interpreted as something, etc, etc... and things escalate.
Please stick to the topics and avoid commenting on each other. It makes for a much smoother ride!
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As the Titan gets out there, I keep hearing some pretty disappointing complaints about leaks, squeaks and rattles that surprise me. I like Nissan, always have, but lately their initial quality is disappointing. I think I would wait for second year before considering one. Even Morganv's transmission is inadequate. This is an unproven truck in an unproven size for Nissan. I'd give it some time. Meantime, although I don't like the exterior looks of the new F-150, the interior is first class, and I love that. I do think the Dodge has the best looking outside appearance. Wish I could put the Dodge look on the Ford power train with the Ford interior. No?
So is this to say, that every person on that board that discusses something negative about their Titan, is perceived not to be real and making something up just because it's negative, and only to believe the one's that say something positive because it's convinient and acceptable?
Stop reading into the posts. Actually to the two people on Titantalk who posted false information were a friend of one of the members playing a joke on their buddy.
Nobody ever said the Titan hasn't had any problems. Name one vehicle that doesn't have ANY problems....you can't.
If you have any questions about the problems people are having with their trucks, look at the NHTSA website and look at the difference yourself.
I'm not going to put down any truck. I test drove the Big 3 and was set to buy a '04 F-150, then test drove a Titan just to "make sure." I bought the Titan.
Test drive all of the trucks before you buy and make the decision off of what you need in the vehicle and like the best. You can't go wrong.
Only 100K Titans are doing a lot of havoc to F150's and other trucks. Difference is: Ford's financial health is so dependent on F150.
http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/auto24_20040224.htm
Nope. I only said to be careful. Lot of people took what those two pranksters were saying as real and posted their crap on other boards - including this one and people (not mentioning names) on this board and others have taken to using this misinfo as gospel.
As I said before, I am sure there are going to be issues with the Titan (like there are sure to be issues with the new F-150) but if you listen to true owners of the Titan - they love them!
Yes, there are going to be ones who don't too.
Thanks.
AG
you automatically qualify for all applicable incentive programs on top of that.
its a common misconception that you get less for a trade. what you actually get is your trade's ACTUAL value, instead of some fake number.
normally, x plan will be about 1-2% below invoice.
however, if you are looking for a crew cab, a titan and f150 will have very similar transaction prices.
example:
titan XE CC 2WD-MSRP $26760
f150 xlt CC 2WD-MSRP $31605
these are equipped the same.
x-plan on a model like this in the ford will be ~$27k.
the only difference in the 2 is if you finance for 36 months, you can get 1.9% on the ford.
I work on them all, and they are all good trucks. The Japanese labels seem to have more problems with structural rust after a decade than the US labels, however. I don't have a website to post the pictures as links, but I have some of a 1991 Nissan 4 X 4 , that broke in half from rust when I tried to raise it on a hoist to find a bad tie rod last Wednesday. Scary thing!
Chevy/GMC, Ford, and Dodge trucks about twice that age are still running as daily drivers around here. ( 1979 is the most common old Ford truck I see, and 1977 for Chevrolet.)
If someone wants to post a couple give me an e-mail address, and I send them to you.
Harry