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  • joecarojoecaro Member Posts: 44
    the Tundra was made in the US. I would think the more they sell, the more American jobs there would be. Maybe I don't understand.
  • neusslneussl Member Posts: 28
    Are you saying that the dealership you work for or any other Toyota dealership can order a Reg Cab, 2 wheel drive Tundra with the 4.7 Litre V-8 and a 5 speed manual transmission as you stated in Post #459? This configuration is not even listed in the Toyota Sales Guide. By the way, your dealership has a great web-site.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    No 5 speed available with the 4.7L V8.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    The company that I work for just recently purchased a nuclear power plant up there near Boston - Pilgrim Station. Also looking to purchase at least 2 more in New York - Indian Point 3 and Fitzpatrick.
  • geezer3geezer3 Member Posts: 30
    ... Or whomever you are (That's yuppie talk)I see you're back again ! Go crawl back under your rock and leave us happy Tundra owners alone. Y'all have a nice day now...
  • macduffmacduff Member Posts: 15
    Rube, tell us again how the 1200 plus complaints about the Silverado and other domestic trucks posted on Edmunds are just yuppie owners who don't know what to expect in a truck, never work their trucks, and just use them to get groceries.

    How do you bend a truck frame going back and forth to the grocery store? Please enlighten me, I'm just a Yankee yuppie.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    I was talking to a guy last week about the nuclear plant he says they take sea water from about 6 miles out to cool the reactor almost like a radiator,It all sounds very interesting to me and I am looking forward to working on one of these although the ones coming up won't be nuclear.The two coming up are in Everett and Mystic Ma.The one in Everett is for Boston Edison I'm not sure about the other.
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    or should I say "Macfly", hello,....you can't seriously believe this "bent frame" myth can you?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    NO!!! What I intended to say is that you can order any catalogued version of the truck. I didn't realize that you were looking for a V8 manual 4x2. Toyota is listing certain models but not shipping them Those are the ones we can order such as 4x2 V8 Limiteds and V6 standard cab 4x4s. If it is a listed option, we can get it. apologies for not stating that clearly.

    By the way, the V8 in a standard cab 2x2 would have a hard time keeping the tires on the road. just too light for that much power.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Have you ever tried a Tundra on the farm? No? then give it a rest and call me when you have something besides conjecture to add to the discussion.
  • bg4dgbg4dg Member Posts: 44
    Talk about fads and doo dads. I didn't even want it, but it was my Z71 that came with an "electrochromic auto dimming rear view mirror with digital compass and outside thermometer" Something that (thankfully) isn't even available on the Tundra. Even though it's a Z71, it DIDN'T come with a gas tank skid plate, or rear shocks that are mounted up out of harms way. It DID however, come with a severe vibration that GM has yet to fix. (Supposed to be march). And I'm still counting at least 5 to one topic problems for the Big 3 VS the Tundra. The TBA is alive and well. Good luck on that one now.
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    I assume the reference to "Blue brain" & "Blue dude" are not refering to me.

    As far as the "5 to 1 topic problems for the Big 3 VS the Tundra", what do you expect when the Tundra is "expected" to make 100K units vs GM's 1M? The same problem is just being reported by 10 times more owners.

    Cliffy1, any more news on the "official" date for the Sequoia?
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Apologies on the blue reference. I forgot about your name and was referring to "Are you blue as well."

    The Sequoia will be out in October. That is the official launch date but we will probably have them a month sooner.
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    Looks like rubluetoo's posts are getting deleted from the Tundra topics. Kind of like Dave40's got deleted from some earlier archived topics. I wonder if there is any connection? Maybe we can find him posting over on the Chevy/GMC truck topics, but I doubt it.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    I read on the auto.com site that a lot of toyota employees want to become UAW.I don't know what that will do to Toyota possible bring the prices up.
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    Ok, so I go home to Maryland and I am heading to a bar with some friends when all of a sudden I hear a noise that I can only describe as running the engine without a muffler. Happened at about 40mph. Well we pull off to check things out and come to find out the right rear tire blew. Strangest thing. It really sounded like an exhaust problem. We could find no real damage and couldn't understand what happend so we changed the tire. The cool thing is the truck still rode straight and true and I really couldn't believe I had a blown tire.

    Well I was worried about why a brand new tire would have blown and took it to NTB the next day. They said that they would cover it under warr. if if was a warr. situation. We got it off the rim and found that apparently something imbedded in the road had torn a 6 inch gash right below the tread pattern on the inside of the tire. I was glad as I was worried about having a batch of defective tires. 100 bucks later we are back on the road.

    All in all I have to give my Tundra high marks for stability and control with a loss of a tire in icy rain. Still the best truck I have ever owned.

    One funny comment. Before we found out what happend I was of course getting the ribbing from my buddies that apparently my new "Japanese" truck couldn't last 5K miles without breaking etc. Well my reply was simple of all the things to go wrong on my Japanese truck, the American tire blew out. I am not a brand loyal kinda guy but I do love the ribbing.

    BTW no problems changing the tire. I don't like bottle jacks and I hate assembling that stupid erector set rod out of like 200 pieces but all in all everything worked as it should and I do like the fact that the jack takes up so little room.
  • rotorrayrotorray Member Posts: 42
    All manufacturers make lemons now and then. To minimize the number of lemons, and to lower manufacturing costs, robots have taken over manufacturing eliminating the human flaw. Still, however, one pops up now and then. It's the nature of the mechanical beast. Toyota has the ability to manufacture fewer lemons because they, truly, have a quality control program that works. You might pay more, for sure, but I've heard more and more buyers paying for extended warranties costing hundreds, if not thousands, and not including that additional cost in the vehicle's cost. They hide this expense but the reality is that most of the time it's pure profit to the dealer. Most of these warranties cover mileage simultaneously covered by the manufacturer's warranty so that portion of the warranty is just money wasted, but that's another topic. To divulge its presence would also be an admission that they don't trust their vehicle. If they did trust it, and it was so reliable, why would they be extending the manufacturer's warranty??

    A co-worker has a 98 Silverado. He's on the second auto tranny in 15,000 miles and it's now acting up in a manner similar to the first failure. His dealer is trying to stick it to him. he has a stack of maintenance receipts documenting this truck's failures. He's leasing it and can't wait to turn it back in. Someone, unfortunately, will be buying this "lease return" and inheriting the problems.

    Today I'm test driving a Tundra. Thanks to all of your posts I've all but eliminated the big three during my selection process. will there be problems? Sure. It's only a machine and man has never made anything that lasts. I do think, however, that Toyota has done a credible job in designing vehicles that perform as advertised, with a minimun of failures. The other topics prove this. My real problem is that in the coming months Toyota is coming up with the 4Dr, and other changes, and my quandry is should I wait or buy now? A 4 dr Tacoma? The Tundra extended cab? TRD/no TRD? SR5 or Limited? Decisions, decisions.
  • rs_pettyrs_petty Member Posts: 423
    Good Luck!
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    Saw a picture of the new 4 door Tacoma (Double Cab) in yesterdays paper, article said they would be at dealers in October. Looked like a nice truck to me and if you need a back seat and are set on a Toyota it may be worth the wait.
  • fkagifkagi Member Posts: 1
    Looked at F150's and Sierra's and thought I might try a Thundra. .............oh what a sweet ride. Doesn't take much to convince me. How about towing? I regularly tow a 6000lbs trailer, sometimes long distance.
  • samirpowarsamirpowar Member Posts: 28
    go here (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/) for more information and check out the message board.
  • rotorrayrotorray Member Posts: 42
    I asked the dealer yesterday about the towing hitch. He said that in towing the added weight leaned out the mixture and it screwed up EPA figures somewhat. EPA allowed Toyota to include the hitch with a limited number of Toyotas. Do I believe him? I don't know but it sounded reasonable and he's been square with me the last two months I've been talking to him via the net. If I catch him leading me astray he's history, and he knows it. Was definitely a no pressure talk, which I really appreciated. He had several in stock with the receiver hitch. You can always go to U-Haul and get a hitch, maybe even a better one, so I don't see that as a problem. With the V-8 engine I don't see any problem with towing 6K pounds. I would suggest a transmission cooler if your truck doesn't come with one. Easy to install and very effective for long hauls. Minor upgrades to rear suspension if it sags, but I don't think you'll have a problem. Tundra is stout and well built. Did you consider equipping it with a 5th wheel hitch?? Might tow better with weight over the axle. With Chevy and Dodge having major tranny problems (plastic internals) Tundra is the way to go for dependability, but that's only my opinion. Engine is sliky smooth and it was a solid driver. What more do you want in a truck?

    I've read a lot of complaints about Tundra's lack of "options". The vehicle I drove was well equipped for my taste. I don't know what more anyone would want. Leather seats? Buy a Lexus. A rugged vehicle that seems able to do the job, and which independent testers/reviewers feel will do the job, buy the Tundra. It's well built, backed by a company with a reputation for reliability, with what appears to be a bullet proof driveline. But that's only my opinion after months of research. When I do buy I'll pass on my experiences.
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    What does "leaned out" mean in California?

    How could 25 pounds (weight of receiver hitch) change the EPA rating. The EPA does not test trucks towing a load so this makes no sense.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    The weight of the hitch, combined with the weight of the fender flares which are standard on the Limited pushes it into some other weight class which means we can't put the hitches on the Limited but can on the SR5. At least that is the story I got from my district rep. This is not Toyota's fault but our Federal Government at work with your tax dollars. Don't you feel safer now?
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    Anybody know if a crew cab Tundra will be offered in the next couple of years. So far I love my Tundra and it is the best truck I have ever had. I do however really like the versatility of the new crew cabs and would be willing to trade up for one. I think the Tacoma Quad cab looks sharp. I wonder if they have addressed the crash scores? I also like the looks of the Dodge Dakota Quad Cab and to a lesser extent the F150 Quad. The Explorer Sport Trac has yet to grow on me. Looks like too much tacked on junk.
  • rotorrayrotorray Member Posts: 42
    You can satisfactorily equip any vehicle for towing something. Toyota's stats for the Tundra say it can tow up to 7200 pounds. Why this subject continues to be discussed in beyond me. Check out the big 3, look at the others. Drive, drive, drive and eliminate what you don't want for whatever reason. It all comes down to personal opinion in the ultimate choice. some stick to "brand loyalty" and if that's you..great. I go for what I feel is the best truck with the most bang for the buck. By the way, earlier I posted my co-worker was on his second tranny. I talked to him last night. He's had three trannys in his Silverado and is closing in on #4. He doesn't tow, just likes a truck in his driveway. I'm for the Tundra for the reasons I've stated. Quality & dependability. What more do I want in a vehicle?
  • z71billz71bill Member Posts: 1,986
    You obviously do not want a full size truck.. Otherwise you would not have asked the "what more do I want" question.. Good luck with your Tundra...
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    Story = writing that is pleasureable to read, having a fictional position or content.

    Your "story" was funny and a pleasure to read, but very a typical statement from Toyota owners when talking about any vehicle without a Toyota emblem.

    I don't think anyone will buys your story nor wait will they for the novel.

    Glad you like your Tundra. Only a Toyota has ever left me walking. Had 2 GM cars bought new and many GM trucks both new and used. None of the GM trucks have ever stranded me like the 3 Toyota's I have owned. Especially since GM has the strongest transmission line in the business dating all the way back to the Turbo 400.

    I find it hilarious that Toyota owners are so quick to find fault in GM vehicles when GM and Toyota share engineering design teams. You probably hate to hear that GM may just have helped engineer your flawless Tundra and you don't even know it.
  • devil1devil1 Member Posts: 74
    It's funny how bitter you are about your truck. I am leaning towards a Tundra but I am not sitting here cutting other cars down.
    I have had a Toyota in the past and it was great.
    I have a Mitsubishi Eclipse that I really love but it has had many problems in it's 42,000 miles.
    I had a Pontiac Sunfire that needed a new engine after 42,000 miles.

    Each have had their problems, in fact my Tacoma caught on fire while I was driving down the road (It was a freak accident of a cardboard piece getting stuck underneath between the bed and the cab and sitting on top of the hot pipes).

    I'm not bitter at all, but you seem to HATE Toyota so much.

    You know as well as I that they are USUALLY very reliable cars and trucks. No one here will convince me otherwise. The Tundra may have some quirks, but I know that the engine will most likely be very reliable for a very long time because it is a Toyota engine.. They are built to last. (Ya go ahead and tell me the story abou the guy on here that his Tundra broke down, but everywhere you go there will be a lemon).

    Why are you here on the Tundra topics if you drive a Chevy anyway??? What's the point?
  • truckguytruckguy Member Posts: 15
    Talked to a fellow Tundra owner today who said that his dealer told him that in 2002 Toyota will be selling a Tundra Crew Cab. He also said that the bed would be a short one like the F-150 SuperCrew.

    Cliffy, any truth to any of this???
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I've heard nothing about a crew cab Tundra but that does not mean the rumor isn't true.

    BLD, at the risk of getting you riled up again, I need to correct something you stated. Toyota did NOT use GM in the design of the Tundra. I got this straight from a Toyota engineer. Toyota does share a plant with GM in CA. That plant makes the Prism/Corolls and the Tacoma. GM may have had something to do with the assembly line but certainly not with the design. Get your facts straight man.

    By the way, did you read the Fortune magazine editorial calling on GM to sell its auto manufacturing arm to Toyota? Seems Wall Street has more faith in Toyota than GM when it comes to building and marketing cars.
  • rphronrphron Member Posts: 21
    Am I correct in assuming that with the SR5 4x4 V8 Tundra that I am ready to tow up to 7200lbs? It looks like there is a transmission cooler already on the truck all I need is a hitch. Correct me if I am wrong....
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    Yes, your ready to tow. The Tundra V8 comes with a standard auto transmission cooler. Actually, I think the tow rating on the 4x4 is 7100 pounds vs. 7200 pounds (due to added weight of 4x4).
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    yes, you are ready to go as long as you have a trailer to hook up. Oh, that and the appropriate ball mount and ball.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I get articles e-mailed to me from time to time from the president of Central Atlantic Toyota (well, me and every other dealership). I have posted these before in the Town Hall and been warned that I may be running afoul of copyright laws. I'm not convinced of that but I will resist the urge to post the Fortune magazine editorial which calls on GM to sell out to Toyota.

    I will however post the citation and title. I have no link to this article but you should be able to find it.

    How to Fix GM: Sell It to Toyota
    Toyota General Motors would be a well-managed company worth investing in.
    Geoffrey Colvin
    03/06/2000
    Fortune Magazine Time Inc.
    (Copyright 2000)
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    I have no problem with Toyota's and I wouldn't post as I do in Toyota topics if Toyota owners would stop posting crap they pull from their _ss about their own trucks and other makes of trucks. Most clueless bunch I have ever heard.

    The Toyota's are just as prone to failures as any other make. Some of the "honest" Tundra owners have disclosed many of the Tundra's skeletons. Most Tundra owners live with their head in the clouds and their thumbs up their _ss.

    Hmmmmm. I have even bought used and abused GM trucks as "strictly work trucks", put them through tests of tow and payload that most would never consider with their trucks. Never had an engine or a transmission failure in 16+ years.

    Had three brand new Toyota's, 2 blew head gaskets, 1 chewed up 3 flywheels and 2 starters and then needed an engine overhaul too. All of these had the first problem with less than 40k miles on the odometer. Nice Toyota quality.

    Naaaaw, I think I'll keep my ugly, unreliable, rattling, vibrating, cheap interior parts Silverado (I think that covers all the cheezy, whiny Tundra owner comments)....:)
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    As to your article....obviously written by another whiny Toyota owner.

    GM has more money than any other auto make, hands down. GM could buy Toyota 10 times over and still have money for new designs. Gimme a break!
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    bud light dude, do you feel threatened by Toyota? Do you have a boat load of that GM stock and are worried about GM continuing to lose market share, with the resulting decrease in stock price?

    There has got to be more here than just the fact that you own a GM truck. Surely no one gets that spun up about a truck.
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    I think BLD is just tired of the myth's some Toyota owners come up with. And threatened by Toyota, ummm, lets see, 250K Tundras & Tacomas vs 1M GM trucks, yea, that's a real threat.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Send me an e-mail at sclifford@dsdial.net and I will forward you the text of the article. I don't think I can get in trouble doing that. This offer applies to all. You'll love it.
  • bud_light_dudebud_light_dude Member Posts: 330
    You hit it right on the head. I don't have anything really against the Tundra other than it still isn't one of the boys. I do get tired of all the myths and falacies about more reliability and longevity, consumer reports said this, my Tundra will 0-60 faster than yours, yada yada yada. If all that was actually true about the reliability and an owner did not have to give up something else, such as money, options, payload or tow capacity, I don't think the big three would dominate the "full size" truck market like they do. There aren't that many die hards and pro union people out there to over look such a "wonder truck". Fact is, this wonder truck doesn't exist, except in the clouded dreams of every Toyota owner on the planet.

    I have owned two of Toyota's so-called flawless trucks. Wasn't all that impressed and I paid way too much for a lot less truck. Thing I am most embarrassed of is that I did it TWICE! I had GM's for heavy loads, etc. and bought the Tacoma's as daily drivers for gas mileage, occasional offroad and yes, I bought into the hype about higher reliability crapola. The Tacomas weren't even more reliable as daily drivers with absolutely no work duty performed. I quickly found that my GM's have always been more reliable, cost less, have more available options, and have much more payload and tow abilities regardless of what the marketing ploys state.

    Naaaaw, its one of the big three for me from now on.
  • bluebeastbluebeast Member Posts: 258
    I hear ya!.. I had a 89 xcab & a 95 T100, they had some problems but not any less than what I've experienced with my 2 domestic trucks (72 Chevy Cheyenne super & 99 Silverado). I too was tired of spending more, getting less options, smaller sized, etc. Thats why I traded in the 95 for the 99 Silverado. Overall though I've had exceptional luck with both manufacturers, the problems I've had were all minor. All said and done the 72 was the best in the repair dept, owned for 8 years and other than tune ups (remember points?) I only had a fuel pump go out.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Funny, I've owned nothing but Toyota trucks since '86 and never had a fuel pump go out. for that matter, I've never had a water pump, head gasket, transmission, brakes, intake gasket, radio, radiator, power window or anything else go out either. From what BLD thinks, I guess all my trucks should end up in the Toyota hall of fame.
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    I still have to go with the fact that I too think that most brands today should all be pretty well reliable. I agree with Cliffy that Toyota probably has better quality control, but I don't necessarily think they design the best thing since sliced bread either. It all comes down to the luck of the draw and that is going to shape your opinion. Fact is cars and trucks have thousands of moving parts working in extremely harsh conditions and "stuff" happens. If it happens to your Chevys then guess what your opinion of Chevy is going to suffer. If it happens to your Yota's same story. I have been lucky enough to own a Hyundai, a Chevy, A dodge and my Tundra. Fact is the only one that gave me any real trouble was the Hyundai transmission went up at 45,000 miles. But this was an early scoupe back when Hyundai was known to make disposable vehicles. Will I ever buy another Hyundai, probably not. Are they making better cars now? From what I hear yes, and at least they have the balls to back them up with that warr. The way I size the truck industry up right now goes something like this.
    Ford - The sales leader and this says alot. They make a good truck most of the time and generally sell at a reasonable price. Ford is also aggressively trying to gain market share and as of late they seem to realize that comes from quality designs and service.

    GM- To big for there own good. The pushrod god though now doubt about it. They need to lean down and get back to basics. They have finally designed a superior truck in almost all areas, engine, brakes, gadgets etc. They just need to tighten up on that quality control and make sure more of them come out rock solid.

    Dodge- DC makes some of the prettiest cars and trucks on the road and has some of the best ideas. Seems like they are even starting to catch up to the rest of them in the technology dept. I here the 4.7 is dream and that the newer engines coming out based on it will be great. Problem is it seems like DC cuts costs to the consumer by cutting quality control way back. As a rule it seems that you take the biggest gamble of getting a lemon with the DC products. Again this is just what I have seen and researched. If they tighten up there quality maybe with MB's help and start dumping that new engine tech in their vehicles, they will be a force to be reckoned with.

    Toyota- The new kid on the block to be sure. Toyota and Honda both are known for their quality controls. It is not that they design or make a better truck or car it just seems that they have more stringent controls as to what actually ends up getting sold to the customer. In my exper. I have talked to more people who have had problems actually resolved by Toyota then people I have talked to with problems with the domestics. Can you still get a Toyota Lemon? Of course. Take Krobertson for example. Poor guy had his engine pretty much eat itself. At least his dealership took care of him. I think Toyota as a company dropped the ball on this one, but his dealership backed him up. I'd buy from them.

    I could continue to bore everybody but I won't. There are industry trends that cannot be ignored. Toyota and Honda are known to do it right the first time, Ford can make a truck, You wanna race get yourself something with a GM motor, You want it pretty and to go from design to market quick DC are your guys. That is just the way the industry seems to be today.

    The best thing is though with more and more global competition everybody has to make a better product almost every year or simply fade away. Sort of increases your chances of getting something great instead of a lemon.
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    Ok, I am having a bear of a time deciding on a hard tonneau cover. I want an over the rail, reasonably waterproof, flat tonneau cover for my Tundra. I have never had a tonneau and know very little in what to look for. I want it to look very clean and not be to high off rail.

    The only companies that come to my mind when I think tonneau are A.R.E, Covercraft and Snugtop.

    I would like to know everybody's experiences with any tonneau's you have or have had in the past. I am really just trying to learn about the products and quality in general so whether you drive, Tundra or anything else feel free to contribute.

    I tend not to like the looks of what I have seen from A.R.E. I figure in order to get a nice cover, painted to match and put on I will be looking at a ballpark of about a grand. Is this far of base?

    Thanks for any advice.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    Our service director has a hard tonneau cover. I believe it is a Leer and it is very nice. Color matched with lights, hydraullic lifts and a flush lock it came in at about $800.
  • ferris47ferris47 Member Posts: 131
    I assume he is driving a Tundra. I have heard alot of complaints that the covers being sold are for the T100 and they are not fitting as they should.

    Thanks for the info. I will check out Leer's site. $800 is not too too bad.

    Have you heard anything more on the Sequoia pricing from a dealers/salesmans point of view. My wife may be in the market.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    The Sequoia will be out in September. The Toyota web site has a picture of in in the future Vehicles section. We were told it will come in a little under $40K to the low $40s depending on equipment.
  • cliffy1cliffy1 Member Posts: 3,581
    I still haven't heard from you for a copy of the Fortune Magazine article. I'm dying to send it to you. I just need your e-mail address.

    sclifford@dsdial.net
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