Look at the consumer compaints about the 2000 silverado.
The funniest one is the door that was attached with RTV glue and no weld (ODI ID 857427)
Yes, quad thinks that 4 complaints about drum brakes needing resurfaced is the same as 10,000+ defective ABS systems. Guess they feel there is safety in numbers (it's not as bad when lots of chevy owners are taking the shaft at once)
Bama, You accused me of not having proof. So I gave you the proof. And you admitted it is a legitimate problem. That's a positive sign.
The problem with Robbie's idle mind is now memory lapse. All those many hours he spent posting in the Chevy topics about non-existent frame problems caused him to forget that the proof is in the archives, should that become necessary. And I sincerely hope it doesn't. He'll need time, without these distractions to nurture a loving relationship with the brake re-line, drum turning specialists of the Midas shop, since brake wear is not covered under warranty.
What you said: "What they do seem to have in abundance, are out of round drums, and lining problems." Don't you think that you exaggerated just a little? And from what I have seen, all of the ones you have been referring to have been covered under warranty.
The question I have is "Why would a Chevy owner spend a lot of his time in a Toyota Tundra website?" Could you be a little insecure about the purchase of your Chevy?
Them toyota folks aint so dumb, they be goin after one of them market "niche" market ones with them trucks: Soccer Moms! Think bout it now:
1) Little back seats for them kiddies 2) Small, so they can park em at that mall 3) Bed be big enough for them garden plants 4) Enough haul for grocerys and such 5) Car like ride and handling
Looks like them soccer moms be flockin too them tundras for sure. All this big3 vs tundra been all wrong, should be mini-van vs tundra, that be the competion of em. Good luck on this one now!
Chevy and Ford have proven long term reliability. Imports have proven 10 year throw away reliability.
The "award" of the year will always go back and forth depending on who has the newest truck. Do you think a 97 model will get the award next year?...could be a 2001/2...perhaps a brand new model as well!..wow..there is a surprise..
You can honk here all you want till your eyes turn red and your face turns blue and you die (hmmm)...for all I care.....I know the facts.
Chevy and Ford have proven reliability, which is also why their sales are farrrrrrr ahead of Toys...and always will be..
robbie - reference your post #431: "GM and chevy are the same truck with a different grill!" no kidding. do you have an answer for my question yet? i guess not.
reference your post #433: "If you look at safety recalls for the GMC Sonoma, guess what you'll find? Do the same for the S-10 and Sierra." i'm not sure why we're talking about sonoma, unless you tundra-guys have finally figured out which products to compare your trucks to. also...since we've already agreed that gmc and chevy are the same truck with a different grill, and i posted the silverado recall, why am i going to look up the sierra? you're just not making any sense. again...do you have an answer for my question yet? i guess not.
reference your post #443 "I'm green with jealousy that I don't own a truck with defective ABS, out-of-spec engine components, noisy/leaking windows and the well-earned nickname "shakarado". one month of defective abs, baseless accusation of out-of-spec engine components, baseless accusation of noisy/leaking windows, and the shakerado comment is one i've only heard out of those who don't own one - tundra folks, and how the hell would they know? got any facts to report rob? again...do you have an answer for my question about supreme toyota quality yet? i guess not.
quark - reference your post #442: first post of yours i thought was thorough, point-blank, and fair. and no, i have no idea what ipsedixic means or even if it's spelled correctly. you said: "GM: Has always come in the winner in gas mileage and towing capability-now, let's see them improve quality levels and safety-THAT would make 'em worth the $$ AND the hype." i couldn't agree more. as for the last part...my silverado (and this is the only one i can truly speak for) has IN MY OPINION excellent quality and what i consider impressive safety features. i have no complaints...
So now you have resorted to blasphemy and mocking of our Lord. Hmmmm....better watch out for natural disasters.
I am no holy roller, but I am saved and I know the truth on this one. You can mock me, poke fun, call names, etc. all you want. Our Lord was mocked, chastised, called a liar, and even put to death. I would rather be outcasted from the world than betray my Lord. To act as childish as you do and portray so much hate, you are the only one that is suffering. It makes me no nevermind. It is you that will pay the price in the end. I am through "preaching", as you cried about in your post to Meredith begging for him to stop all this unfair bashing on the poor, picked on, Tundra owners.
Thanks for the kind support. As I noted in my last post, I "am" a changed man. I am not a holy roller, nor do I push or preach to anyone unless to defend my Lord from the mockery like rwellbaum2 puked. I learned that life is just too darn short to continue the hatred and poor attitude like rwellbaum2 has. Decided it was time to get things right. Look forward to talking trucks. Too bad the Tundra can't be included, since it really can't be considered a real truck..LOL!
They should put shelf life stickers on them Tundras. "Use immediately after starting. Use once, then throw away!" I raced a Tundra in my Silverado a couple months ago. I normally do not race my trucks, but couldn't resist the ability to humiliate the arrogant owner. Needless to say, the Tundra never got close enough to my Silverado to be able to see his expression. All he saw of me was my tail end getting farther and farther in front of him. He was revving and lunging at the stop light. The Tundra engine sounded like a 4 banger with a banana up it's tail pipe! That Tundra never had a chance.
Saw another Tundra at a different time as I approached it on the highway. Hmmmm....funny thing....had a Dale Earnhardt, Jr. #8 sticker on the back window. Why is there not any Tundra's in Nascar??? Well, at least this one Tundra owner had a "little bit" of sense.
My Silverado has been very reliable also 6K miles and no problems. First vehicle I've had that I've put a lot of money into mods. This truck is worth it. There are many bad ones made by all and most of us here have good ones. Think about this - If you had your choice of a reliable Tundra or Silverado which would you pick?? Me the Silverado and that's what I have - a reliable truck. It's bigger, more powerful, and gets better mileage. To me there's no second guessing. Fords, Dodges, and Toyotas are good, but apples to apples Toyota vs. Chevy - if you get a good one, there's no comparision. I've seen bad ones in all makes...
what is the difference in a 3/4 ton and 1 ton? Kyle explained how one tons are duallies, but there are many single rear wheel one tons. Usually price is pretty close also comparing similar features. Just kinda curious...
I know the Fords there is not a whole lot of difference between a 250 or 350 SD. I know you can only get a dually in a 350 but like you stated you also can get a SRW in a 350. Except for actual spring rates which gives different GVW's I think most everything else is the same; engine choices, transmissions, brakes, axle size and ratios etc..
Dear kyle, So you spent your day looking for something bad on the Tundra and came up empty handed . The best you could do is find one airbag non-deployment on a 4-runner. Perhaps the Ford it hit crumpled so easily that the airbag system was not activated.
You stated previously that only the 2000 silverado had defective brakes. I simply corrected your error (an innocent one, I'm sure)
If having a great Truck is a sin...guess I'll be another log on the fires of Hades. BTW, I'm sensing the same mean-spirited BLD coming through in your last postings. Maybe you didn't get baptismal water in all those dark, dirty, sin-filled places. Also, has your addled mind blinded you to the fact that merideth is a WOMAN!
How much time did I spend in the chevy topics? Please elaborate. Call forth your archives and show us all the endless months that you claim I spent posting in chevy topics.
Quad...always stretching and exaggerating the truth.
example: 4 tundra's have the brake drums and rotors turned (under warranty). Quad claims this is far worse than 10,000+ chevy trucks, this year alone, with defective ABS.
can you read? the complaint i searched for for five minutes stated that the TUNDRA'S airbags did not deploy. that's why under make model and year it said, toyota tundra, 2000.
if you haven't figured it out yet rob, which OBVIOUSLY you haven't, i'm using the same frivolous tactics you've been using to talk smack about the silverado. only, when your tactics backfire, you refuse to accept that. first, it was the abs on the silverado/sierra. which was only recalled for one month and 10,674 units. that's it. you deliriously seem to think it's a bigger problem than that, but HAVE NO PROOF. same way you like to throw out the vibration problem...how would you know? (by the way, "that guy down the street and another dude at work"...that doesn't count...give us PROOF, rob). so, then you realize that gm fixing the abs problem after a month is a good thing - quick response - and refuse to answer why it took toyota 6 months to fix their tail lights. other than to say that tail lights and abs systems are apples and oranges. well no kidding! THE ISSUE IS NOT THE PROBLEM, ROB, IT'S THE REMEDY - and why it took toyota - so called KING of reliability - 6 months to fix a freakin' tail light bracket. say...maybe they used the same tail light bracket in the 4 runner. that would explain why he got rear-ended...the tundra behind him didn't realize he was stopping...but hey, who needs brake lights, right rob? i tell ya, i'd draw the line at airbags if i was you...
must be like Plymouth and Dodge, Ford and Mercury, and all the GM brands. My opionion - a one ton should be dually and 3/4 ton SRW, but who am I?
Kyle, I feel for you, these Tundra guys don't like to answer our questions no matter how many times I answer theirs. My question - why buy a Tundra when a Silverado is close in price, has more power, is bigger, and gets better gas mileage? Whould one of you Tundraholics please answer me...
Don't remember ever saying that owning a great truck is a sin or even a bad one either. God does not care if you are driving one of them light-footed ones like the Tundra. He cares not about the wordly things. Now, one thing he does care about is your heart. He won't like all your blasphemy and mocking Him. With all the blues you have been crying here and all that hate and turmoil you display, I would say He is hoping you get things right. Don't let that buyers regret and remorse of that Tundra drag you down now. Get right. It is not too late for you.
BTW: You are wrong "again". Merideth is a guy.
See ya in my rearview mirror!
Of course, even if "possibly" start to "catch up" to me, you will have to stop at the nearest gas station to quench the thirst of that gas guzzler you got! hee hee haahee ha!
pretty consistantly. Drove out to the Dodge/Toyota (weird combo) here and looked at a 2001 Ram 4X4 and the sticker said 12 MPG city - ouch! I'll pass on that one. Somebody said earlier how their Toy sat higher than a Silverado and that may be true. Dodge's sit up pretty high, if that's what you like. Personally mines just right - I can get in and out without any nerd bars...
You know them Masey Ferguson tractors have them power ports to plug that lap top in while plowing them there back 40!!!!
Seriously, does anybody piss off more people with so little effort???? People just keep responding to the same things over and over again and old rube just kicks back at the keyboard and is bustin' up at how easy it is.
Them that be pluggin them ears too that truth feel it slappin, and it be stingin em hard. That truth on them limited ones be hard on them that paided more buck and got less truck. They have only too be lookin at them sales numbers and seein them tundras bein outsold by them all, even them nissans be sellin more than them limited ones now. Dont take know figurein too be seein them tundras be goin the way of them t100 ones, right along with that re-sale value on em. Good luck on this one now!
I love the Tundra. Would have bought one except the lack a real back seat and a limited slip differential. So I bought a 2000 Silverado.
Had occasion to test the acceleration against a 2wd v8 Tundra. On a deserted country freeway, we took off from a slight rolling start. It was enen for about 2-3 seconds(he probably would have got me off the line). Then I began to pass him. Was 2-3 lengths ahead and still pulling away when my speed limiter kicked in.
I think the extra HP for 2000 made the diff. Not sure a 1999 Silverado would win that race.
BTW. I get fantastic gas mileage and have had no problems in 17,500 miles except the wind noise from the rear windows. I love the truck, but GM should be ashamed for ever releasing this model with that wind noise. That's why some people switch to Toyoyas.
imagine that. Gets better gas mileage too. Still waiting for an answer..why buy a Tundra again if the prices are similar?? I keep asking, and you Toyota people keep ignoring...
Ya said: ..why buy a Tundra again if the prices are similar??
The answer be simple, them yuppies be like them lemmings, once they start chasin that fad, they just cant be helpin themselves now. Facts dont matter, logic dont matter, size dont matter, money dont matter, all that be matterin be that chasin of that fad. Good luck on this one now!
Why buy a Hyundai? Why buy a truck rated -90% in predicted reliability by Consumer Reports?
The 2000 Tundra is rated #1 in initial quality by J.D. Powers. The Chevy is down there with the Hyundais. Does this tell you something?
Why buy a new truck? Because you value dependability. Because you don't want the hassle of an unreliable vehicle. Because you just want to put gas in it and drive it. If Tundra owners wanted the reliability of Hyundais, they would buy them. They are a lot cheaper.
Gas mileage? To get a similarly performing Silverado, you would have to go with the 5.3L V8 and 4.1 gears. Do you honestly think that this combination is going to get better mileage?
A base V8 Tundra is rated to tow 7100lbs. A base V8 Silverado is rated to tow 5000lbs. You pay a big price for that big rear seat.
To equip a base Tundra to tow, you buy a tow bar and a harness - $150 aftermarket. To equip a base Silverado to tow, you pay $1500 for an automatic transmission, transmission cooler, engine oil cooler, and heavy duty suspension. Hmmm, they aren't so cheap afterall.
then by all your nonsense facts...the Tundra should be outselling the hell out of Silverados...right?
DOHH!!
"initial quality"...uh huh...too bad the ten year throw away brand does not have any long term quality....eh?.....something Chevrolet and Ford have decades of proven data behind them..
Go play with your toy.....real trucks have work to do..
your reliability has no merit. Those (rags) magazines, as stated many times before, don't know what the he!! there talking about. I see many 20-30 year old Chevy & Ford trucks out there - no Toyota's. Initial quality - mine seems fine, no problems. Quality very good in my opionion, but many like you like to slam the american product and that's probably the biggest reason they don't rank very well in Joe Blow's initial quality survey. Resale value is very high for my truck - must tell you something. I don't need someone to tell me if I have a good truck - I get in it and under it and drive it to tell. Mileage - EPA 14 for Tundra V8 and 15 for Silverado 5.3L 4X4 V8. Mine has been getting about 15.5 - 3.73 gears, 285 tires, 4X4, LT, 4 door. Why don't you look at all the post instead of picking out the one with the worst mileage? Some are getting 18-19 MPG. And are you trying to say a base Silverado can't tow?? Please explain. Again, I get better mileage (epa est.), have more power, is bigger, and cost about the same as your Tundra...
And to think, most people think of us Truck drivers as uneducated, crude, ignorant fools. Good thing the mature and high tone of postings here proves them wrong, right? Right? Right?
In my opinion, and since it's my money that was spent, that's the only one that really matters to me, here are what I consider advantages the Tundra has over the Silverado:
- Smaller size makes it easier to park and it will fit in most garages. I have a friend with a Silverado Ext. Cab Z71 that will not fit in his garage. He can only close the garage door down to his rear bumper if the front bumper is touching the wall. Smaller size and shorter wheelbase also makes it more manuverable off-road and this is important to me since I like to hunt and fish. The backseat is smaller in the Tundra, but it carries my shotgun and bow just fine.
- The Tundra is more nimble and handles better in my opinion. I drove all except the Dodge before I bought and this was my impression.
- The Tundra is less likely to develop those annoying squeeks and rattles over the years. This is important to me because I live on a gravel road and I keep my vehicles a long time. This is based on my past experience with Toyotas and Chevys that I have owned.
- A Silverado similarly equipped to my Tundra would have cost me about $2000 more than my Tundra. And at that time, the Silverado only had 3 doors. This cost was based on actual price quotes at about $500 over invoice for each. This may be different now, don't know.
- As far as gas mileage goes, my last three tanks have ranged from 16.9 to 17.1 MPG in mixed driving and I don't baby it anymore. This is in a stock V8 auto extended cab 4x4 with the larger tires and 3.91 gears with 6500 miles on it (MPG is continuing to trend upward). Based on information that I have seen, this is comparable to a similarly equipped Silverado under similar conditions.
arkie6: I like your reasoning regarding advantages of the Tundra. I has similar reasons for considering the advantages of the Dakota.
-Smaller size and shorter wheelbase(than fullsize) makes the Dakota easier to park, more maneuverable and better handling.
-Lack of squeaks and rattles, also based on previous Dodge truck experience, after 16 years (eight years on gravel washboard) and 400,000 miles, still no squeaks or rattles!
-Less costly, only $22,500 for loaded four door.
-Better gas mileage, only 3,000 miles so far and already hitting 20 mpg at 70-75 mph driving with the 4x4 and the small V8.
Ok, Im not going to lie and say that I am a truck expert, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the reason that there arent a lot of old toyota trucks on the road is because toyota didnt make a lot of toyota trucks in the 70's and early 80's. All of Chevys bogus claims about being the most reliable and longest lasting trucks on the road are based on sheer numbers, not on percentages. I have a feeling that if you took the percentages of cars sold to cars still on the road, the story would have a different result.
They also do not make this claim based on the number of repairs made on these cars, I would think that this would also be a more accurate gauge of reliability.
Another point to be noted is how many foreign truck drivers drive the he!! out of their cars. I have heard of far more Toyotas passing the 200k mark than domestics, despite the comparably small number of them out there. I will admit that I am a toyota loyalist, and this does carry a certain amount of bias, but to me its no contest.
Also, the new tundras are not selling that well because typical truck owners are old school domestic loyalists who think that rice eaters cant make trucks, and I will be the one laughing when they replace their primitive drivetrains after 100k.
Feel proud to witness my first entry, I hope I get some negative feedback from the peanut gallery.
The local Sunday paper had a 1/2 page Ad made up to look like an article with the above caption. A local dealer was mentioned as having "rows and rows of new Tundras" for sale at 10% off MSRP which was an equivalent price to a Tacoma at MSRP. This is a good deal, give me a break, how stupid do they think customers are, any customers. I hope that the Tundra owners out there got better than just 10% below MSRP.
Tundra, #10 in sales and droppin! Just like them t100 ones, them folks who paided much, be losin even more now. Good luck re-sellin one on them ones when that fad be gone. Good luck on this one now!
"I have heard of far more Toyotas passing the 200k mark than domestics, despite the comparably small number of them out there."
wow, that's nice...i've "heard" a lot of good and bad things about toyotas and domestics myself...good objective input there, bud.
"I will admit that I am a toyota loyalist, and this does carry a certain amount of bias, but to me its no contest."
such a toyota loyalist that you're shopping for a honda now? big "no-contest" there, eh? oh i know, i know, no contest between rice-burners and domestics. fascinating how loyal you are to the toyotas though...
"Another point to be noted is how many foreign truck drivers drive the he!! out of their cars."
that is a good point. foreign truck drivers probably DO drive the hell out of their cars...cuz their trucks are junk.
lastly, if you're not a truck expert, what makes you qualified to state that you'll be the one laughing when domestic trucks replace their "primitive drivetrains" after the first 100k miles? why don't you run along back over to the soccer-mom/minivan conference. you're much more likely to make competent remarks over there.
Tim, Talk about getting upset! Check out post #504. Kyle seems to be really worked up over riceburner's statements. Riceburner stated his opinion without trying to flame anyone. The rude response he got from Kyle was undeserved.
WE ALL should learn more than what the salesman and brochures tell us. Maybe Silverado owners would learn the real tow/haul numbers and not just the ones they like to quote. BTW, I apoligized to you for the "Tiny Tim" comment, was that post deleted by meredith or are you refusing the apology?
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Of those 18 posts, 4 had problems, the rest were responses asking for information or offering help.
While it is a legitimate problem don't you think that you are exaggerating a little?
Look at the consumer compaints about the 2000 silverado.
The funniest one is the door that was attached with RTV glue and no weld (ODI ID 857427)
Yes, quad thinks that 4 complaints about drum brakes needing resurfaced is the same as 10,000+ defective ABS systems. Guess they feel there is safety in numbers (it's not as bad when lots of chevy owners are taking the shaft at once)
You accused me of not having proof. So I gave you the proof. And you admitted it is a legitimate problem. That's a positive sign.
The problem with Robbie's idle mind is now memory lapse. All those many hours he spent posting in the Chevy topics about non-existent frame problems caused him to forget that the proof is in the archives, should that become necessary. And I sincerely hope it doesn't. He'll need time, without these distractions to nurture a loving relationship with the brake re-line, drum turning specialists of the Midas shop, since brake wear is not covered under warranty.
to have in abundance, are out of round drums, and
lining problems." Don't you think that you exaggerated just a little? And from what I have seen, all of the ones you have been referring to have been covered under warranty.
The question I have is "Why would a Chevy owner spend a lot of his time in a Toyota Tundra website?" Could you be a little insecure about the purchase of your Chevy?
1) Little back seats for them kiddies
2) Small, so they can park em at that mall
3) Bed be big enough for them garden plants
4) Enough haul for grocerys and such
5) Car like ride and handling
Looks like them soccer moms be flockin too them tundras for sure. All this big3 vs tundra been all wrong, should be mini-van vs tundra, that be the competion of em. Good luck on this one now!
The "award" of the year will always go back and forth depending on who has the newest truck. Do you think a 97 model will get the award next year?...could be a 2001/2...perhaps a brand new model as well!..wow..there is a surprise..
You can honk here all you want till your eyes turn red and your face turns blue and you die (hmmm)...for all I care.....I know the facts.
Chevy and Ford have proven reliability, which is also why their sales are farrrrrrr ahead of Toys...and always will be..
- Tim
reference your post #431:
"GM and chevy are the same truck with a different grill!"
no kidding. do you have an answer for my question yet? i guess not.
reference your post #433:
"If you look at safety recalls for the GMC Sonoma, guess what you'll find? Do the same for the S-10 and Sierra."
i'm not sure why we're talking about sonoma, unless you tundra-guys have finally figured out which products to compare your trucks to. also...since we've already agreed that gmc and chevy are the same truck with a different grill, and i posted the silverado recall, why am i going to look up the sierra? you're just not making any sense.
again...do you have an answer for my question yet? i guess not.
reference your post #443
"I'm green with jealousy that I don't own a truck with defective ABS, out-of-spec engine components, noisy/leaking windows and the well-earned nickname "shakarado".
one month of defective abs, baseless accusation of out-of-spec engine components, baseless accusation of noisy/leaking windows, and the shakerado comment is one i've only heard out of those who don't own one - tundra folks, and how the hell would they know?
got any facts to report rob? again...do you have an answer for my question about supreme toyota quality yet? i guess not.
quark -
reference your post #442:
first post of yours i thought was thorough, point-blank, and fair. and no, i have no idea what ipsedixic means or even if it's spelled correctly. you said:
"GM: Has always come in the winner in gas mileage and towing capability-now, let's see them improve quality levels and safety-THAT would make 'em worth the $$ AND the hype."
i couldn't agree more. as for the last part...my silverado (and this is the only one i can truly speak for) has IN MY OPINION excellent quality and what i consider impressive safety features. i have no complaints...
kyle
I am no holy roller, but I am saved and I know the truth on this one. You can mock me, poke fun, call names, etc. all you want. Our Lord was mocked, chastised, called a liar, and even put to death. I would rather be outcasted from the world than betray my Lord. To act as childish as you do and portray so much hate, you are the only one that is suffering. It makes me no nevermind. It is you that will pay the price in the end. I am through "preaching", as you cried about in your post to Meredith begging for him to stop all this unfair bashing on the poor, picked on, Tundra owners.
Oh, btw, See ya in my rearview mirror....:~)
Too bad the Tundra can't be included, since it really can't be considered a real truck..LOL!
They should put shelf life stickers on them Tundras. "Use immediately after starting. Use once, then throw away!"
I raced a Tundra in my Silverado a couple months ago. I normally do not race my trucks, but couldn't resist the ability to humiliate the arrogant owner. Needless to say, the Tundra never got close enough to my Silverado to be able to see his expression. All he saw of me was my tail end getting farther and farther in front of him. He was revving and lunging at the stop light. The Tundra engine sounded like a 4 banger with a banana up it's tail pipe! That Tundra never had a chance.
Saw another Tundra at a different time as I approached it on the highway. Hmmmm....funny thing....had a Dale Earnhardt, Jr. #8 sticker on the back window. Why is there not any Tundra's in Nascar??? Well, at least this one Tundra owner had a "little bit" of sense.
Dan
... - Tim
kyle
happy weekend everybody!!!
My Silverado has been very reliable also 6K miles and no problems. First vehicle I've had that I've put a lot of money into mods. This truck is worth it. There are many bad ones made by all and most of us here have good ones. Think about this - If you had your choice of a reliable Tundra or Silverado which would you pick?? Me the Silverado and that's what I have - a reliable truck. It's bigger, more powerful, and gets better mileage. To me there's no second guessing. Fords, Dodges, and Toyotas are good, but apples to apples Toyota vs. Chevy - if you get a good one, there's no comparision. I've seen bad ones in all makes...
So you spent your day looking for something bad on the Tundra and came up empty handed . The best you could do is find one airbag non-deployment on a 4-runner. Perhaps the Ford it hit crumpled so easily that the airbag system was not activated.
You stated previously that only the 2000 silverado had defective brakes. I simply corrected your error (an innocent one, I'm sure)
Quad...always stretching and exaggerating the truth.
example: 4 tundra's have the brake drums and rotors turned (under warranty). Quad claims this is far worse than 10,000+ chevy trucks, this year alone, with defective ABS.
if you haven't figured it out yet rob, which OBVIOUSLY you haven't, i'm using the same frivolous tactics you've been using to talk smack about the silverado. only, when your tactics backfire, you refuse to accept that. first, it was the abs on the silverado/sierra. which was only recalled for one month and 10,674 units. that's it. you deliriously seem to think it's a bigger problem than that, but HAVE NO PROOF. same way you like to throw out the vibration problem...how would you know? (by the way, "that guy down the street and another dude at work"...that doesn't count...give us PROOF, rob). so, then you realize that gm fixing the abs problem after a month is a good thing - quick response - and refuse to answer why it took toyota 6 months to fix their tail lights. other than to say that tail lights and abs systems are apples and oranges. well no kidding! THE ISSUE IS NOT THE PROBLEM, ROB, IT'S THE REMEDY - and why it took toyota - so called KING of reliability - 6 months to fix a freakin' tail light bracket. say...maybe they used the same tail light bracket in the 4 runner. that would explain why he got rear-ended...the tundra behind him didn't realize he was stopping...but hey, who needs brake lights, right rob? i tell ya, i'd draw the line at airbags if i was you...
kyle
LOL
hehehhe
BTW....only stupid questions are the ones you don't ask.....and every question about a Tundra!
Kyle,
you have to watch Rwell.....starting out a post with "dear Kyle"....yikes!
Rwell,
what's your point about posting in Chevy topics?...this is a big 3 topic?....
Finally....I'm glad to see a Tundra fan has the right user name at last!....(see above post)
- Tim
Kyle,
I feel for you, these Tundra guys don't like to answer our questions no matter how many times I answer theirs. My question - why buy a Tundra when a Silverado is close in price, has more power, is bigger, and gets better gas mileage? Whould one of you Tundraholics please answer me...
Don't remember ever saying that owning a great truck is a sin or even a bad one either. God does not care if you are driving one of them light-footed ones like the Tundra. He cares not about the wordly things. Now, one thing he does care about is your heart. He won't like all your blasphemy and mocking Him. With all the blues you have been crying here and all that hate and turmoil you display, I would say He is hoping you get things right. Don't let that buyers regret and remorse of that Tundra drag you down now.
Get right. It is not too late for you.
BTW: You are wrong "again". Merideth is a guy.
See ya in my rearview mirror!
Of course, even if "possibly" start to "catch up" to me, you will have to stop at the nearest gas station to quench the thirst of that gas guzzler you got! hee hee haahee ha!
Seriously, does anybody piss off more people with so little effort???? People just keep responding to the same things over and over again and old rube just kicks back at the keyboard and is bustin' up at how easy it is.
Had occasion to test the acceleration against a 2wd v8 Tundra. On a deserted country freeway, we took off from a slight rolling start. It was enen for about 2-3 seconds(he probably would have got me off the line). Then I began to pass him. Was 2-3 lengths ahead and still pulling away when my speed limiter kicked in.
I think the extra HP for 2000 made the diff. Not sure a 1999 Silverado would win that race.
BTW. I get fantastic gas mileage and have had no problems in 17,500 miles except the wind noise from the rear windows. I love the truck, but GM should be ashamed for ever releasing this model with that wind noise. That's why some people switch to Toyoyas.
..why buy a Tundra again if the prices are similar??
The answer be simple, them yuppies be like them lemmings, once they start chasin that fad, they just cant be helpin themselves now. Facts dont matter, logic dont matter, size dont matter, money dont matter, all that be matterin be that chasin of that fad. Good luck on this one now!
The 2000 Tundra is rated #1 in initial quality by J.D. Powers. The Chevy is down there with the Hyundais. Does this tell you something?
Why buy a new truck? Because you value dependability. Because you don't want the hassle of an unreliable vehicle. Because you just want to put gas in it and drive it. If Tundra owners wanted the reliability of Hyundais, they would buy them. They are a lot cheaper.
Gas mileage? To get a similarly performing Silverado, you would have to go with the 5.3L V8 and 4.1 gears. Do you honestly think that this combination is going to get better mileage?
A base V8 Tundra is rated to tow 7100lbs. A base V8 Silverado is rated to tow 5000lbs. You pay a big price for that big rear seat.
To equip a base Tundra to tow, you buy a tow bar and a harness - $150 aftermarket. To equip a base Silverado to tow, you pay $1500 for an automatic transmission, transmission cooler, engine oil cooler, and heavy duty suspension. Hmmm, they aren't so cheap afterall.
DOHH!!
"initial quality"...uh huh...too bad the ten year throw away brand does not have any long term quality....eh?.....something Chevrolet and Ford have decades of proven data behind them..
Go play with your toy.....real trucks have work to do..
- Tim
- Smaller size makes it easier to park and it will fit in most garages. I have a friend with a Silverado Ext. Cab Z71 that will not fit in his garage. He can only close the garage door down to his rear bumper if the front bumper is touching the wall. Smaller size and shorter wheelbase also makes it more manuverable off-road and this is important to me since I like to hunt and fish. The backseat is smaller in the Tundra, but it carries my shotgun and bow just fine.
- The Tundra is more nimble and handles better in my opinion. I drove all except the Dodge before I bought and this was my impression.
- The Tundra is less likely to develop those annoying squeeks and rattles over the years. This is important to me because I live on a gravel road and I keep my vehicles a long time. This is based on my past experience with Toyotas and Chevys that I have owned.
- A Silverado similarly equipped to my Tundra would have cost me about $2000 more than my Tundra. And at that time, the Silverado only had 3 doors. This cost was based on actual price quotes at about $500 over invoice for each. This may be different now, don't know.
- As far as gas mileage goes, my last three tanks have ranged from 16.9 to 17.1 MPG in mixed driving and I don't baby it anymore. This is in a stock V8 auto extended cab 4x4 with the larger tires and 3.91 gears with 6500 miles on it (MPG is continuing to trend upward). Based on information that I have seen, this is comparable to a similarly equipped Silverado under similar conditions.
I like your reasoning regarding advantages of the Tundra. I has similar reasons for considering the advantages of the Dakota.
-Smaller size and shorter wheelbase(than fullsize) makes the Dakota easier to park, more maneuverable and better handling.
-Lack of squeaks and rattles, also based on previous Dodge truck experience, after 16 years (eight years on gravel washboard) and 400,000 miles, still no squeaks or rattles!
-Less costly, only $22,500 for loaded four door.
-Better gas mileage, only 3,000 miles so far and already hitting 20 mpg at 70-75 mph driving with the 4x4 and the small V8.
They also do not make this claim based on the number of repairs made on these cars, I would think that this would also be a more accurate gauge of reliability.
Another point to be noted is how many foreign truck drivers drive the he!! out of their cars. I have heard of far more Toyotas passing the 200k mark than domestics, despite the comparably small number of them out there. I will admit that I am a toyota loyalist, and this does carry a certain amount of bias, but to me its no contest.
Also, the new tundras are not selling that well because typical truck owners are old school domestic loyalists who think that rice eaters cant make trucks, and I will be the one laughing when they replace their primitive drivetrains after 100k.
Feel proud to witness my first entry, I hope I get some negative feedback from the peanut gallery.
R
Larry
You guys bore me
- Tim
"I have heard of far more Toyotas passing the 200k
mark than domestics, despite the comparably small
number of them out there."
wow, that's nice...i've "heard" a lot of good and bad things about toyotas and domestics myself...good objective input there, bud.
"I will admit that I am a toyota loyalist, and this does carry a certain amount of bias, but to me its no contest."
such a toyota loyalist that you're shopping for a honda now? big "no-contest" there, eh? oh i know, i know, no contest between rice-burners and domestics. fascinating how loyal you are to the toyotas though...
"Another point to be noted is how many foreign
truck drivers drive the he!! out of their cars."
that is a good point. foreign truck drivers probably DO drive the hell out of their cars...cuz their trucks are junk.
lastly, if you're not a truck expert, what makes you qualified to state that you'll be the one laughing when domestic trucks replace their "primitive drivetrains" after the first 100k miles? why don't you run along back over to the soccer-mom/minivan conference. you're much more likely to make competent remarks over there.
all of our love,
the peanut gallery
Talk about getting upset! Check out post #504. Kyle seems to be really worked up over riceburner's statements. Riceburner stated his opinion without trying to flame anyone. The rude response he got from Kyle was undeserved.
what's the problem?
Perhaps Toy owners should learn more than what the salesman and brochure tells them as well?
- Tim
The tow rate for a base with nothing may be lower?....but the base silverado is farr plainer than the base toy?
You can use tactics like that to compare...but I will put my cake behind the Silverado in any test against a Toy.
- Tim