Tundra vs the Big 3 - Continued

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  • dogsterdogster Member Posts: 94
    Sure there are complaints on the Tundra site. The majority are extremely minor compared to the complaints on Edmunds and NHTSA. We Toyota owners are picky - that's why we buy Toyotas. So if we have a squeak, rattle or vibration we go screaming to the dealer. Also, the Tundra is so smooth and quiet, you any little noise that you normally wouldn't even hear or feel in a Big3.
  • rcoosrcoos Member Posts: 167
    "We toyota owners are picky - that's why we buy toyotas".

    Well, I hate to disagree with you - but I think that anyone buying a new pickup will be picky!

    I looked, drove & compared all 4 trucks. In my opinion, the clear cut winner & best value for the $$$ was the Chevy Silverado! If you like the tundra...good for you. In my opinion the tundra was way over priced, under powered & cramped compared to the other 3. I think the tundra would do better going up against the dakota.
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    but his best friend a mechanic said the Tundra was better - so....
  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    i ain't got the time to refute this bs (but here goes):

    "Sure there are complaints on the Tundra site. The majority are extremely minor compared to the
    complaints on Edmunds and NHTSA."

    i read through one of the vibration threads over there, and compared to the silverado vibration, it's about the same, if not worse. the '99 'rados are the ones that were really affected - first model year. just like...hmmm...the tundra is this year. coincidence? on the nhtsa site, of the 77 or whatever complaints you saw, many of them (no, i didn't count) were redundant. same complaint, just reposted because they had not isolated the system that was malfunctioning, so they listed all possible culprits. what does that tell you? that tells me that the ratio of gm malfunctions to toyota malfunctions (since you apparently want to consider the nhtsa site to be the only place customer complaints are filed) will be in the same ballpark as the production ratio. don't know if you've ever ridden in a silverado (new one), but mine is very quiet and smooth riding. in fact, i have to look at the tach sometimes to see if i got it started. you all can preach your toyota reliability when it's been on the road for ten years or more...

    kyle
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    you are wasting your time on this crowd..

    - Tim
  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    you know...i'm starting to realize that. funny thing is...i'm not trying to make tundra owners feel like they screwed up by buying a tundra. about 75% of the time i spend here, my intent is to point out how flawed their logic is. they just don't seem to get it. the tundra may very well prove to be the most reliable truck ever. so may the silverado, f150, or ram. who knows? for a while it was entertaining to see how fired up they'd get and how lame an argument they could contrive to try to defend their point. oh well...back to the 'rado page where i can get good advice and input rather than hone my debating skills. i suppose i'll check back here periodically just to see what's going on. the way things are going, i may get a nasty-gram from the edmunds folks like trucksrme did - for doing nothing but telling the truth. sorry to digress from the topic...

    kyle
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    I see a lot of talk about the Tundra being more expensive than comparable domestics, but I did not find that to be the case when I went shopping. Here is what I ended up with: 2000 Toyota Tundra 4-door extended cab 4x4 V8 Automatic with Alloy wheels and oversize tires, CD, Receiver Hitch, etc. for $25,900 out-the-door (not including sales tax or tags which are paid directly to the state). This was about the same as I would have paid for a comparable F150 and significantly less than a 3-door (only available at the time) Silverado or Sierra.

    And if I had some unforseen need to go into the "Tundra", I would definitely rather be in a Toyota.

    Warranty work? Toyota? Get real. My new Toyota hasn't seen the dealer yet in 6 months. My last new Chevy had been back to the dealer 3 or more times in this same period and countless more times until the warranty ran out, then I had to fix it myself. That got old, so at 10 years and 110,000 miles I decided it was time to step up to a Toyota.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    ..A toy was a step down......wayyy down..

    - Tim
  • dogsterdogster Member Posts: 94
    If you guys chose a Silverado, then good luck. I hope it does what you wanted it to do. As for reliability, well let's see who's still standing in ten years, or who's been back to the dealer for repairs in five years. I looked at and drove everything before I bought and thought the Tundra was the best value for the $. Close second was the F150. I also really liked the crewcab SD250 but couldn't justify the lousy gas mileage plus not being able to get into LA parking garages. The Tundra won't even fit in some of those. I don't think we Tundra owners have flawed logic - but time will tell. If the Tundra is as reliable as my SR5, 4x4 T100 was, then I have no worries. The reason you see so many rabid Tundra owners on these sites is we get tired of on-line attacks by GM and Ford owners, a few in particular which should be happy Toyota doesn't mind the malicious libel from outright and brazen lies about their product that's posted here. Have a good time in your Big3. I'll see you in 10 years and we can compare notes.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    you think the ford is second...the tundra looks just like it!

    Chevy is already proven to be the longest lasting truck with the most on the road....farr past ten years..

    How come the Tacoma / T100 wasn't in the longest lasting?

    DOHH

    - Tim
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    I got this from the May '00 issue of Motor
    Trend. They did a comparison of "full size"
    pickups. They rated the biggest, baddest Chevy
    Silverado 1500 with the 5.3 L V8 and the 4.1
    gears(which by the way is only rated to tow
    8000lbs).

    They also rated the biggest F150 with the 5.4L V8
    and the Dodge 1500 with 5.9L against the Tundra
    Access Cab V8.

    "And the winner is... Which to Pick? In terms of
    overall performance and sophistication - on road
    and off - we have to say Tundra."

    Here are some facts:

    4/10/00 Toyota Tundra is Consumer Reports Top Pick
    for Full Sized Pickup in 2000!
    http://www.consumerreports.org/news/autos/Reports/toppick.htm

    3/3/00 Toyota's New Millennium Truck
    http://truckworld.com/Truck-Tests/Toyota-Tundra/tundra.html

    1/9/00 4-Wheel & Off-Road Magazine 4x4 Truck of
    the Year!

    12/22/99 Motor Trend Magazine announces the 2000
    Toyota Tundra as the Truck of the Year!
    http://www.motortrend.com/

    5/4/00 Toyota vehicles dominate this year's
    quality survey rankings by J.D. Power

    http://www.jdpa.com/studies/winners.asp?StudyID=410&CatID=1
  • arkie6arkie6 Member Posts: 198
    I'm on your side man, but all of these Tundra magazine article posts are getting old.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    Hey, if you (or any other people reading this topic) don't like my magazine references - don't read them. I personally think that there is a lot of very relevant information in them.

    I personally place a lot of weight on consumer reports vehicle ratings. They are very objective. Consumer reports don't seem to mind stepping on car manufacturer's toes. They do not accept advertising and so tend to be unbiased.

    When Consumer reports rates the Silverado -90% in predicted reliability - it catches my attention. Big3 owners obviously don't weigh this much or they wouldn't own Chevies. That doesn't change my opinion.

    The J.D Powers ratings are also very pertinent and not influenced by advertising dollars. They rated the Tundra #1 in initial quality and this is what I have personally found to be the case with my new truck - flawless for 7 months.

    The other articles you can believe or not believe. I tend to believe the objective data that Motor Trend supplies - braking, acceleration, handling, etc. They all show the Tundra to be among the best. YMMV.
  • barlitzbarlitz Member Posts: 752
    your articles from magazines might say one thing but sales don't lie,If the Tundra was as great a truck as you say wouldn't you say logically its sales would be a lot higher.It ranks #10 amongst all trucks including compact,the frontier outsells it,Toyota may have screwed up with its high price tag.
  • modvptnlmodvptnl Member Posts: 1,352
    You're pretty one sided aren't you? If you don't like people's posts you ask them to quit posting. If people ask you to stop being redundant you tell them not to read the post.
    Maybe take your own advise and if you don't like a particular poster don't read their post. Just a thought.
  • quark99quark99 Member Posts: 136
    What once was a proud group of fiercely loyal and emotional truck owners has now deteriorated into a "I said, you said" whine-fest of fingerpointing..sheesh! They used to send us "men"...regardless of your logo, is this a forum for who has the "baddest" truck? My little "mid-sized" Quad can't tow more than the Ford or Chevy or Toyota, can't carry as much either.....probably gets about the same mpg as y'all...but it will handle normal truck tasks-hauling plywood/drywall/rock/appliances, pulling the family boat/trailer, etc., so what's the rub? All of your trucks can do the same, so unless you're workin' the farm everyday (yo, truckrme!), they're all roughly the same. Now, how about that good ole 'merican tradition of beating out the other guy on the street? (a silence falls over the crowd...) Did any of you guys think about that little aspect of your vehicle BEFORE you paid the dealership? Whazzat? Did I hear a murmur?
    Don't even talk to me about quality, I bought the worst-rated (quality) logo...everyone knows about Ram rear ends and trannies-let's hope they don't also apply to the Dakota line. But after 4500 miles of "spirited and safe" driving, here's what I see from experience:
    Toyota: you got a chance, if we're on twisty roads. Gotta be impressed with your precise handling and almost-as-quick straightaway acceleration. I've got a little better front/rear weight distribution, so "tossing and sliding" through the corners feels a little more secure in my Quad, I'll bet. Upgrading your tires would help.
    Chevy/GM: Well....about a second slower 0-60 and ponderous in the turns. It don't look good, unless you spend a lot of $$ in suspension and tuning. It don't matter what motor you got, either.
    Ford: Most potential for improvement. Maybe they'll put the 260HP 'stang motor in the F-150...handling better than GM but slightly behind Toyota.
    Feel free to fire away gentlemen! But ask yourself 1st..doesn't best "performance" in a truck mean something besides tow ratings and payload capacity? What happened to accomodating 4-5 in comfort, and flogging the local 2-lane?
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    They already have a 260 hp motor in the F-150. The thing is, it's the 5.4 which has a lot more torque than the Mustang 4.6. If you want the Mustang motor in the F-150 then you should like the new 5.4 even better.
  • RoclesRocles Member Posts: 982
    Wait till that 5.4 gets three valves...ouch!
  • meredithmeredith Member Posts: 575
    Let's keep it on topic people....

    my DELETE key finger is getting cramps!

    Front Porch Philosopher
    SUV, Pickups, & Aftermarket and Accessories Host
  • meredithmeredith Member Posts: 575
    For Purposes of Efficiency....

    this topic is being "frozen." Please continue these discussions in Topic 2056
    Tundra vs the Big 3 Continued II. Thanks!

    Front Porch Philosopher
    SUV, Pickups, & Aftermarket and Accessories Host
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