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It's not likely the new Si will outperform the RSX. It's heavier and has less power. Not likely...possible but not likely.
As for the power issue, I am figuring the new Civic is about as fast as the existing Corolla, giving a plus or minus factor for gearing - the Corolla is a 4A, and the Civic is now a 5A. The new Civic has about 10% more power but around the same amount of torque as the existing Corolla and weighs about 10% more too.
It is a shame that Civic put on so much weight with this evolution, but it was bound to happen sooner or later, wasn't it? Lots of safety equipment and an altogether larger body conspire to put the pounds on. The Fit 5-door coming in the spring will be the spiritual successor to the Civic of five years ago, in terms of weight, size, and fuel economy.
Interesting: the new Civic EX coupe has about the same power-to-weight ratio as the Scion tC, only of course it weighs less overall so should be a bit more fun to toss around through the corners. Mainly for me, the HUGE advantage to the Civic would be the enormous difference in fuel economy. Once normal discounting starts to happen on the new Civics, the Civic EX coupe and tC should sell for about the same price. The Civic will have more safety equipment at that price of course.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I agree with you with your Camry LE scenario next year. However, small cars are in a different market.
Let's stick with a reliable cars (So I'm not going to try to analyze American cars and their another extended-extended discount program).
Camry, if they are at MSRP +, people will look towards at Maximas and Accord (reliable cars so I will not include VW or U.S. cars here). Rarely they will move up. If so, no larger reliable car other than Avalon available. Otherwise it's Lexus, Acura or Infiniti.
For small cars however, if Civic is at MSRP +, not only they will go to Mazda3 and Corolla, but move up to the Accord, Altima, Legacy, and heavily discounted Camry.
MPG concern? Yes it makes a huge difference when you are coming down from a mid to large SUV. But still less than $300 annual savings between Civic and Camry (12,000 mile drive between 30 and 40 mpg. Saving of 100 gallon per year and it's still less than $3 per gallon). In return Camry will have a better resale value (based on MSRP not what you paid for), and lower insurance.
When a car salesman throws the number $18K+ ttl to my face for Civic LX, I instantly think about bigger car or other brand for less $$$. After all, it has been less than 5 years when we paid $16.3K out the door (with no trade ins) for new Civic EX auto.
06' Civic EX auto? $19.5K. Yep, sensible Civic for over $20 grand.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Drummer, you were right. The MPG estimates are given for this Civic, not for other cars in the class. For other cars in the class the sticker says "not available."
So, then, 30 MPG city and 40 MPG highway would be averages. And 25-35 city and 34-46 highway would be the range everyone would be getting, depending on many factors, which affect MPG.
There's a great article about MPG in the outgoing Civic. It beat all subcompacts by a looooooong shot when tested in Canada by journalists. The new Civic has pretty much the same engine. Check this out:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/pw/50-litre.htm
and the review of '06 Civic
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/pw/06civic.htm
would say they go down about 80%-85%. Ride was very smooth.
The price I was quoted was higher then MSRP. The redesigned
interior is 9/10. Acceleration was ok.
Anyone has any suggestions on how to get a good price?
i suppose the new 06 auto has imperceptible shifts? closest i've been in is a recent camry with good auto shifts.
anyone have idea on when canadian dealers will receive 06 civic and if they are japanese?
I used to live in Yorktown (about 67 miles south of you) and was putting the Newport News dealer against the Williamsburg dealer. I was surprised to find the Newport News dealer could drop a few hundred more off his price than the Williamsburg one, and they were only about 20 miles apart. So just because dealers are in the same city doesn't mean their prices won't vary. Some larger dealers can afford to make less money per sale.
I found I was better at driving a hard bargain when I had more than one car I was considering, but I'm assuming you want a Civic here, right? Oh well...if you change your mind, try that.
You might also check sales taxes...they may be cheaper in North Carolina...just a thought. A 2% difference in sales tax could mean a $400 difference in a $20,000 car. I'm not sure if you pay the sales tax where you live or where you buy on a car. Check out this site:
http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html
If you live next to a state border, it might be worth looking into.
Hope this helps.
I was wondering if anyone might know, if i purchase a new 2006 Civic LX in Philadelphia, Pa, do I pay the taxes based on where I lived or where I purchase the car?
Thanks
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I'm happy for you. I presume you will have your car minimum of 2 years. Being happy everyday is better than saving few thousand and hating what you drive. At least that's my opinion.
Was your $20K out the door or was it $20K +ttl?
Again, I am trying hard to comprehend the pricing with Civic. I still ticked off (maybe I shouldn't) as I hear people paying $600 over invoice in N.Y. where here they are the dealers have MSRP + $1,800 market adjusted price and bad attitude (as if they were the inventor).
Not everyone can afford a Honda. . . That is true to a certain degree. But again, with current pricing, I can afford Accord LX but not Civic EX. Is Civic trying to be like Altima and its upgrades in 2002? Maybe Accord will really move up in 2007. :confuse:
The web can never reflect the colors well.
On the Honda website it looks VERY DARK.
And the Atomic Blue looks pretty light.
But a salesman told me the colors are pretty close to each other with the
Royal Blue being very bright.
Anyone seen the 2 blues?
Thanks!!
What would be a reasonable deal out the door (w/o calculating interest)?
$18,000 + tax, title, & tags? I think my local dealer wants to quote me $18,250 + tax, title, & tags.
Tha Atomic is lighter, but still at least a medium blue IMO. Darker than a baby/sky blue.
both do look nice, and the Atomic isn't too "boy racerish".
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I really didn't want a dark, more navy, color of blue.
Appreciate it!!
Good Luck Honda makes great NAVs,
MidCow
I love Civics for their gas mileage, their reliability and many other reasons and was looking forward to purchasing an '06 EX to replace my '01 EX coupe. I 'm beginning to change my mind though.
Many people here are right. The sticker on the Civics is getting out of hand. I don't understand why. The dollar is weak against most currencies. They should cost less if it's assembled in Japan and if 30% of the parts come from Japan. In addition Corollas are still reasonably priced. You can get one loaded with ABS, alloys, etc. for $16K or less if you know how to deal because they 're dealing on them big time.
I paid $15.4K for my 2001 EX coupe 5sp. which was about $100 above dealer invoice, back in the summer of '01. That was the first year out and I was still able to get a great price (sticker was $16,995 first year out). My sister paid $16,100 for an '02 Civic EX coupe auto which was invoice. I can see an '06 EX coupe/sedan being around $17.5K but $18.5-20K? You can get a 4cyl. Accord LX Coupe/sedan for under $20K.
My friend got an '05 Accord LX coupe (4cyl) for just over $19K (manual) + tax. And in case you didn't know, Accord Sedans cost $400 less than coupes.. '06 Accords haven't gone up much and sticker is $21K on an '06 LX sedan. "Value package" Accords sticker for $20K including dest. charge. Those can be had $18something. You can get them for thousands less than sticker. I drove my friend's Accord LX Coupe and it's very peppy. Blows my '01 Civic EX away (even when my Civic was new and faster). It's very torquey (160ft-lbs) and 166hp. Not bad for a 3,000lb car. I saw a road test of an '04 EX Accord 4-cyl. 5-sp. and 0-60 was 7.7sec! The Accord LX is 75lbs lighter than an EX so they 're even quicker. Not sure how the automatic Accords are but they can't be that bad. Plus they 're bigger, roomier, and gas mileage is rated 26/34 for manual.
If everyone could hold off a few months in buying a Civic I bet we 'll drive the price down and maybe we can get them for close to invoice in the winter or next spring.
I probably won't be buying an Accord for my 160mi. daily commute. I prefer a Civic for the gas mileage, but for someone with a short commute or that doesn't drive a lot (like <15k/yr.) I 'd highly recommend you test drive an Accord (LX) with no add-on options to keep the price down. It rides very nice and it's 2.4L engine is pretty smooth and quiet.
'06 Civic LX coupe
'11 BMW 335i coupe xDrive
'13 Honda Accord sedan (wife's car)
'05
MSRP 17510 (not including $550 destination fee)
invoice 16003
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dif 1507---9.4%
'06
MSRP 19060 (not including $550 destination fee)
invoice 17400(est)
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dif 1660-----9.4%
Every dealer I've talked to offered to take the added mark up off. Still think they will be below MSRP soon. I will wait for better price. Love Civics (this will be 4th) but my 2001 EX was 13700 before tax & lic. I did buy in July of '05, but that is a big difference in price to me. My 5 speed '05 Corolla w a/c was $9,995(before tax & lic). Maybe I should just buy 2 more of those! All that aside I drove the'06 Civic and do like it!
Undecided in Cal, Matt
So I think in three months, right after Christmas, aggressive dealers will be discounting Civics by 7-10% off msrp, while giving great $$$ on trade-ins (relative to published trade in values).
This is Honda's way of avoiding public debacles like rebates and employee pricing. They look arrogant and overpriced on the surface, but if you try to work with a good dealer you will be amazed.
On the other hand it is hard to beat the tC's $16,000 price...can't argue with that.
The dealers in Texas aren't doing more than $300 below MSRP. And I checked out the Mark Roberts dealership in OK that someone mentioned on this board a few days ago. They are quoting 16,791 instead of the 17,860 MSRP for a 2006 Civic Sedan LX Automatic. I want to order from them and know I want blue but it needs to be sharp as you say and not too navy.
Thanks for all the help!!
The engine noise is fairly loud under hard acceleration, but the car is generally quiet while underway. It rode nice and the handling was fine under normal driving. I didn't get to push it all to see what the handling would be at above normal speeds. I also didn't exceed 60mph. It tracked straight with no drift. Very easy to drive and a relaxing car to drive. The sliding armrest is nice, the stereo is so so. There is some reflection of the dash on the windshield, but it wasn't a problem.
All in all, a very good car that should have great gas mileage. I was quite impressed as I am not a small car person. I still want to drive an 06 Mazda so I an compare them.
Then again, Chevrolet asks nearly $20,000 for the top trim Cobalt. But it comes with leather. (cheap leather, but its still leather)
They'll discount though. In 3 months or so, a loaded EX-NAV model could probably be bought for a few hundred over invoice.
But if you look at the gas mileage of the new Civics they are pretty close to the HX. The old HX got 35/40 with the automatic and a 1.7 liter 117horse engine. The new Civics get 30/40 with an automatic and a 1.8 liter 140 horse engine. That's only a 7% decrease in combined driving with a 20% increase in power. Considering the increase in horsepower I wonder if Honda just didn't adapt the HX engine, increase displacement, and bump up the horsepower. Highway mileage is identical.
2005 Civic Ex Sedan AT with side air bads MSRP 18,560
Add the SE package to match 2006 MP3 450
19010
2006 Civic Ex Sedan AT MSRP 19060
So what is everyone screaming about $50.00 or maybe $500 if you don't throw in the SE Package.
I'm sure that the 2004 was at least 500.00 less than the 2005.
So I went to the Toyota site and built a Corolla LE with about the
same options as you get with the 2006 Civic Sedan AT MSRP 19,999
Yes, you can get this Toyota below MSRP. But good luck finding that exact module on
the lot. You're going to have to order it and wait for it to come in.
Next year the 2007 Accord be redesigned, and everyone will gripe about the prices then too.
Only good thing is that the 2007 Camry will also be redesigned.
So at least then the Honda vs Toyota prices will be equal.
The dealers will soon be getting in more inventory than they can handle, and the prices
will go below MSRP. In another 6 months or so the Honda Fit will be here in the U.S., and then those who are complaining about prices, can get the Honda Econ-box that the want.
I hear you man...but I suppose the HX had an extra high 5th gear. If you jack up the 5th gear on the new Civic it's possible to get better mileage...although you'd have to shift every time you hit a hill. I think 'hybrid' is all the buzz and Honda figured the HX and hybrid would compete. Or, how's this idea? Put the old 117 hp HX engine with an IMA system and have a performance hybrid version of the Civic, just like the Accord!!! I don't know man...I haven't seen anything about the lean-burn technology on the new Civics. Why in the world would Honda have an HX coupe and an LX coupe at the same time?
As far as keeping the '06 Civic at '05 levels...it's probably just a question of costs. The R&D for a new car is probably quite expensive. I'm sure if Honda could have kept their cars cheaper they probably would have. You can't just arbitrarily pick a price because you have to pay engineers, factory workers...expenses. The Civic is possibly the most advanced car in its class and that isn't cheap. Or perhaps they thought folks would pay a little more for the smaller cars with the gas prices higher. It's an advantage they could use to get better prices. If the gas prices drop down to about $1 a gallon again you might see Honda drop their prices.
Just trying to think of a few different angles. I like to hear myself type.
You can't expect the brand new model to sell at anywhere near the same discount as year-end clearance 2005 Civics and aging Corollas.
I don't think Honda wants the Civic to be any more "upscale." Aftermarket leather will be available through dealers for the few who will want it in a Civic.
I wonder how many people buy fully loaded Corollas with leather? What is the MSRP then? More than the Civic MSRP that you complain is to high.
Your post makes no logical sense.