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Expect 130 to 180
Corolla will get 2.0L 160 or 170
However, they are about to release a 1.8 yaris in japan, 2ZZ engine 180 - 190 hp......AWD as well ,kinda heavy at ~1100 kg (IMO), but you guys wish you'd be able to get it in the states.
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As a matter of fact, I would'nt rule it out though, as i've read rumors of TRD considering developing a vehicle program like ford's SVT. They already have the awesome TRD Tacoma concept pickup, but it's reported that they dont want to launch with one vehicle.... Yaris TRD anybody?
The US-market Fit will be a 5-door hatchback, not a 4-door sedan. It is very close in length to the Yaris 5-door that will not be sold in the US! :confuse:
There is a 4-door Fit called the Fit Aria, Fit Saloon, or City depending on the region. It is considerably longer than the Fit 5-door and comparable in size to the Yaris 4-door sedan.
The seal has been compromised and it's raining a heck of a lot in Vancouver. I'm planning to take the car to an authorized Toyota garage in Burnaby and hope they give me a courtesy car as I don't have the "special" insurance that allows me a courtesy car at other ICBC approved garages.
Has anyone in Vancouver have good experiences getting their Toyota fixed there or any other place?
Forwarning about the Maple and Broadway (IGA / Liquor Store) parking lot. Many staff members and customers have had their cars dinged in this lot due to the idiot drivers.
So far no complaints about the car except that it was once zero degrees one morning and the car took a little extra longer to crank start. I thought this was strange as it is a new car and zero degrees is not all that cold.
Also, I still can figure how to take out the crank from the back of the driver seat. I think this is a dumb place to put it as there is a lot of space in the trunk. During emergencies I don't want to go all over the car looking for the crank when it should be with all the other equipment in the trunk. :confuse:
2006 TOYOTA YARIS SEDAN
Length 164.8 VS 170
Width 65.4 VS 66.5
Wheelbase 93.3 VS 100.4
HP. 106 @ 6,000
0 to 60. 8.6 for manual @ auto. sub 9.
Photos:
http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2051227.001/pageview/photo/photo/- Mini19/page/1/toyota/1.html
http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2051227.001/pageview/photo/photo/- Mini4/page/1/toyota/1.html
http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2051227.001/pageview/photo/photo/- Mini20/page/1/toyota/1.html
http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2051227.001/pageview/photo/photo/- Mini17/page/1/toyota/1.html
http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2051227.001/pageview/photo/photo/- Mini13/page/1/toyota/1.html
http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news.cfm/newsid/2051227.001/pageview/photo/photo/- Mini10/page/1/toyota/1.html
That has to be the shortest hood I've seen on a car, ever. I wonder how easy it is to service that puppy?
They are going to miss out on a lot of people who need more utility and versatility in a car, but want good mileage, quality, and a low price.
This thing is going to fit my needs to a tee, but I am waiting very cautiously for pricing. The base hatch has no CD, which I would want and which appears to be part of a convenience package that will doubtless raise the price of the car by $1000 for a bunch of stuff of which the only thing I want is the CD. :-(
Still waiting on specs on the Fit too - I bet the Fit will have a standard tach, being a Honda. I like to have a tach. Plus, if the Yaris mimics the xA/xB in the gauge pack, there will be no coolant temp gauge. I like to have one of those too.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
When Yaris goes on sale in the spring it will be positioned as Toyota's most affordable vehicle. The Yaris Liftback will carry a base price of $10,950 for models with a manual transmission and $11,850 for models with an automatic. The Yaris sedan with a manual transmission will be priced at
$11,825 while models with an automatic will carry a base MSRP of $12,550. The sporty S sedan will carry a base price of $13,325 for models with a manual transmission and $14,00 for models with an automatic.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I was speaking generally, but I do prefer the looks of the Yaris 5 over the Scion xA. I also think that many people are turned off by the image of the xA and of the Scion brand itself. I personally don't care either way regarding Scion, but I was really hoping to see a Yaris 5-door in the US.
I will be purchasing a Fit this coming Spring, and while I am pretty much set on that car, I also was considering the Yaris 5-door until I heard it wouldn't be available. Neither the 3-door or sedan offer the kind of versatility I want. Also, I find the Yaris' dashboard setup quite unappealing, but that is no doubt something that one gets used to.
There would be some cannibalization of Scion xA sales from the Yaris 5-door, but in my opinion not enough to really hurt the Scion brand.
Of course, Toyota also has the Matrix, maybe it is being cautious about having "too many" 5-doors in the line-up.
I am sure the base-model Fit will be more expensive than the base Yaris 3-door. The question is what you will get for the extra money. Toyota is treating the hatch like the bargain cheapo of the line - the sedan is altogether nicer inside and has better equipment packages - which is a shame. Toyota remains firmly convinced that the only people who buy compact hatchbacks are cheapskates. :-(
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Toyota already offers it on the Vitz (as the Yaris is known in Japan); they should at least offer it here on the US-market four-door sedan. With a CVT automatic, at least the car will have something resembling decent acceleration, especially going uphill or inclined freeway entrance ramps.
~alpha
From what I have seen based on the price, and what Toyota has revealed, you are correct that it seems Toyota is perpetuating the small=cheap idea in the US. It really is a shame. Honda has not said anything about the Fit, but some people who seem to have relatively accurate sources say that the car will be equipped at mid-level for the base version with a starting price around $13k. You can probably expect CD, A/C, PW, PM, PL at that price. For safety they will have standard side airbags and standard ABS on all trim lines. The Fit will be more expensive, but better equipped than the Yaris.
If I were Toyota, I would see how the Fit does, and then introduce a well-equipped 5-door Yaris to compete with the Fit. Of course, that should have already been done.
The Matrix is much larger than the Yaris. There would be no chance of competition between the two. I find the Matrix far too large for my tastes, while the Yaris 5 would have been perfect.
It is pure speculation that a Fit at $13K will have CD, A/C, PW, PM, PL.
We also dont know the final options pricing on the Yaris, so why not wait and see what a 3door HB plus Convenience Pkg and Side Curtains actually costs before lambasting it?
~alpha
Actually, from reading the first drive reviews of the Yaris in the USA most of them felt the four-speed automatic kind of sapped the acceleration power of the car. That's why a CVT on the four-door sedan might be a good choice, since this will allow the 1.5-liter VVT-i engine to be always in the right part of the power curve even in hard acceleration.
That seems kind of contradictory.
Toyota IS a smart company, but if you want a car they could have sold, too bad. Oh, look Honda and Nissan have something. I guess you will have to buy from them instead.
That's not a customer-winning strategy.
Consider a few things regarding the Scion xA:
-Despite the fact that Scion is doing very well, the xA is still selling the least out of all three models. I don't really think most of the potential xA customers would have dropped their purchase orders to jump in a Yaris 5.
-While the Scion brand is receiving many older customers, it is still marketed as a youth brand. Many people are turned off by the marketing and the looks of the cars.
-Does the average consumer need cupholder illumination as an accessory? If I'm not mistaken, the Camry is the best-selling car in the US. It's bland and boring, but it's functional and reliable. Most people just want a car that will get them places, not turn their mineral water neon green. The Yaris could have been like a much smaller, but slightly more exciting Camry. And it will, but at 2/3 of what it could have done.
I wasn't lambasting the Yaris. I think it's a great car. I guess I just live with the mindset that most people want things like power mirrors standard. In my opinion, they should be standard and I don't think I should have to get the Power package (which requires the Convenience package) to get them.
"It is pure speculation that a Fit at $13K will have CD, A/C, PW, PM, PL"
Why? The Scion xA does...at $13 270 to be specific.
I would actually want a Yaris without the power package. The convenience package will be around $1000, I figure, and it includes the upgrade to 15" wheels with the CD player, as well as the rear wiper, all things I would really like to have. That puts the price at $12K or so for the Yaris 3-door I would buy, and am in fact thinking of buying, depending on what you can get in a $13K Fit.
I figure the side airbags and curtains will be about $650 - that is the cost in every other Toyota model where they are optional, and I assume they will be stand-alone in the same way. I would skip them at extra cost. I would however want alloy wheels if I could get them on a 3-door equipped only with the convenience package. I suspect that while this will theoretically be possible, Toyota will only actually build loaded models to include alloys.
As for the Fit, I do not expect to get all that stuff listed above at $13K. I am hoping they will put in the A/C and CD at that price, but not really expecting it. I figure it will cost around $15K to get a model with those items, and probably other stuff I would happily do without, in which case I will probably give it a miss.
It would be nice if Toyota built vehicles with single options, rather than packages. But I know that NOT doing so is part of how they save costs and thereby make better cars available.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
but the 4 doors is ugly, the 2 doors is cute.
we were thinking of picking up the 5 doors version.
:mad: guess that's not gonna happen
who else were hoping and waiting for the 5 doors.
guess, we'll see some of you on the honda(fit)'s board :P
A Yaris 5 would could just about the same amount, and no manufacturer would ever do that.
Nothing.
...and for the price you can get an excellent array of standard features.
However, I would prefer a somewhat more subdued-looking car like Yaris or Fit. I would have purchased a Scion xA if I knew the two I just listed were never being introduced to the US. I just don't understand Toyota's marketing strategy for reasons I gave in previous posts.
Even now, just one or two posts ago someone made a comment about wanting a Yaris 5 and would consider the Fit. Well, that's another potential sale lost for Toyota. Sure a few sales is nothing, but it will add up.
"No manufacturer ever doing that"
Have you seen the new RAV4?
It is within a few inches of the Highlander in size, has almost as much cargo room, it weighs less, has a larger, more powerful V6 (and 4-cyl for that matter), gets better mileage, has an optional third row seat, and costs less. Here is an example were I see cannibalization of a model really occuring...and these two cars are under the same make, not like the xA and Yaris.
The Highlander is larger in every dimension. And of course the Highlander can be ordered as a Hybrid.
A 5 door Yaris would be almost identical to a xA. What is worse is the price would also be almost identical.
I do agree with you about the looks. The xA is not attractive at all. That is the main reason why it does not sell very well. I believe they will fix that in the next generation.
That's why I'm hoping the Scion xA replacement will be based on the Toyota Ractis tall wagon that went on sale in Japan back in October 2005.
Looks like I will be driving 60 miles a day for the next two years - will need something that gets better mpg than my GTO.
The newly introduced Toyota Ractis would have been a much better product for the American market.
It's all in the number of doors. A 5 door has versatility that a 3 door lacks, and a sedan couldn't dream of.
It's not just the Fit that looks more stylish. I truly think the Yaris 5 has a more substantial look. I know it's the exact same car plus 2 doors, but it looks both "cute" and useful. It also doesn't appear as cheap as the 3 door.
I think Toyota is making a mistake in offering the 3 door Yaris - they probably think offering the 5 door Yaris would cannibalize sales of the xA. Why not give customers what they really want?
I suspect the 3 door will be bought mostly by entry level buyers and the college crowd. Toyota's missing a significant marget segment by not offering the 5-door in the U.S.
Fortunately, I live in Canada. :-)
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Interesting parallels - 1.5L engine, torsion bar rear suspension, two trim levels, and the interesting stuff such as CVT remain unavailable for now. Fit has no factory options other than trim & transmission - side airbags are standard, uplevel Sport gets the goodies such as cruise control, fog lamps, MP3 input, paddle shifts on the autobox. Expected starting price about $13k.
It has worse estimated EPA economy than the Yaris - manual 33/38, 5sp auto 31/38. I'll have to see and drive the Yaris & Fit to see which one we're going to get, or if we'll fork out the additional $2k for a Civic/Corolla/Mazda3 class vehicle.
And while I know I am not in the majority, where there is 1 there is always more.
I wouldn't consider the Honda Fit simply because it is a Honda. No thanks.
The $13K Fit will have 14" steel wheels, so if you want the 15"ers, it is much cheaper to get them in the Yaris (as part of the convenience package). But you won't have a lot of other equipment that the Honda makes standard. And the $15K Fit Sport will have 15" alloys standard.
Honestly, it appears the Fit will be the better deal for most buyers, and will have that Honda driving experience, but OTOH, it will cost more to get into, if what you want is an inexpensive no-frills commute car. In that case, or if the fuel economy is especially important (Fit's numbers are disappointing), the Yaris seems to be the better choice.
Now if Toyota can JUST GET IT THROUGH ITS HEAD that it should build lots of base cars, and not so many loaded ones, UNLIKE what it did with the Echo, it just may corner a market. Of course the Accent and Rio (Aveo too) are strong sellers, so maybe not.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)