With regard to styling, this vehicle is in the same league as the new BMWs. It’s an embarrassment. And the interior really takes the biscuit for ugly... no competition, no one can come close. Subaru, go straight to the bottom with this one, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Well, let me turn the tables and ask you to prove otherwise for the next round! Round up some numbers from SIA that show they are not running at the projected schedule.
Like I said before, the distinction between MSRP and invoice is irrelevant if we're comparing Subarus -- that's an issue between the buyer and the dealer and it doesn't affect Subaru's bottom line on the sale of the vehicle. And even as a buyer, the difference between MSRP and invoice is going to be damn near the same percentage no matter if it's a VDC or a base model. I just chose Fitzmall as the example because their inventory is online and you can use the pricing to determine how long the car has been on their lot. Whether we are talking MSRP or invoice, the percentage difference is going to be nearly the same on all the models.
As far as sample size, I have only bought 5 Subarus myself and observed a few hundred here on Edmunds, but the best metric is to go talk to a dealer and see what they order and sell. The leather lined Ltd models with a fair amount of accesories are the meat and potatoes, not the base cloth models. And then we have the official quote that 25% of 05 Legacy/Outback sales are the turbo models, which get into the same price range as the VDC and Bean. So, I think it's fair to say that at least 25% of the sales are the pricey models, and it's likely higher. I doubt we can get better info unless it comes from a Subaru insider.
There is plenty of differentiation between the Tribeca and the VDC. More room, two more seating positions, more flexible seating, completely different styling, different options like Nav and DVD.... If I would pay $34K for a VDC wagon, then why would I not pay $34K for a comparably equipped Tribeca if I was looking for a larger, roomier vehicle?? To me, they are just offering more choices to their customers.
BTW, look at the specs -- while the VDC is the top dog in the Outback lineup it's equipped the same as the "base" 7 seat Tribeca. Both are $34k (if you believe the info we have thus far on the Tribeca).
Finally, the Tribeca doesn't have to be a grand slam. If it keeps more customers in a Subaru by offering them the larger vehicle they have been looking for, it will be successful. The production numbers that SOA announced already indicate that they expect it to be a much lower volume vehicle than the Outback.
So for most of the afternoon I've been wandering around a Sube/Caddy/GM dealership waiting for my WRX (30K service) and I think there is one class of vehicle which the B9 will beat hands down that no one seems to mention, things like the Rendezvous and Aztec etc (ok so laugh , the latter is butt ugly but someone is still buying that pig!)
Don't forget, a 50,000 sales/year for SOA is 1/3 of their usual annual sales in the US.Even half of that will be worth it to FHI. It may make GM go broke to sell Aztecs in that number but for SOA its great. Heck, its probably a third of Saabs total worldwide sales!
And it ain't that ugly compared to lots of things on the road which sell well. I think the Rx300 and every LandRover ever made is real ugly!
And having owned "premium/luxo" brands in the past and as I'm not one for gadgets and gizmos, give me a reliable Sube over any German car any day.
As I have said before, I thank God and Audi for being such a POS car that I found Subaru a decade ago so I am no longer stuck in snow at 3AM in minus 20 deg weather or spending more time at the dealership than is good for ones health or sanity.
Subaru is not going to suddenly beat Nissan or Hyundai by having a B9 in the sales race, but it will increase their sales in N America dramatically.
The Outback for between 24k-34k! Well why not a similar wide price range for the B9! I know there are many(count myself among them) who are frugally inclined and want a no-nonsense--no-luxury Subaru 7 seater that is competitively priced with the 6 cylinder Toyota Highlander.
If the B9 sells for over 34k---a large segment of eager buyers will be excluded from being Subaru owners. They will just flock to the competition.This will mean the B9 will not resemble the success of the Outback!
Well from what I have read in NASIOC. The people who have gone to see the B9 in person have been pleasantly surprised by the looks in person. They say old "edsel face" isn't bad in the flesh. One thing about the grill, maybe it has space behind it for future up front intercooler for a turbo model? Two people have commented on how nice the interior seemed to be. I am going to the LA show this weekend, I am not sure if they rolled one out for display anfter the Detroit debut but I will see. As for price I do hope they keep a fully loaded version at 37-38K max. I think the Saab version should be killer.
"And having owned "premium/luxo" brands in the past and as I'm not one for gadgets and gizmos, give me a reliable Sube over any German car any day. "
Blaming the whole German auto industry on your experience of being snow stuck is not exactly being objective!
I have a few German cars in our household (99 BMW323, 01 MB C240, 83 MB 300D and a 86 Audi 4000) and they can all be considered bulletproof when compared to my hellish experiences with a 88 Acura Integra.
And I am not going to blame every car from Tokyo for my Acura experiences!
HEY .. be nice to me ... I caught a nasty cold in one of those visits and only went back to work today (and then didn't think I'd make it through the day ... whatever it is has 'wiped me out') ..
I disagree with the posts that say that this vehicle is ugly and looks like an Aztec (please)!! This, in my opinion, is the best looking vehicle Subaru has ever produced. I love that it doesn't look like every other SUV out there. The front is reminiscent of vintage cars like the 1962 Alfa Romeo Giulietta:
But at the same time it looks like a future concept car. I think the car is absolutely stunning. And the looks will definitely grow on people because this is so out of the range of what Subaru normally puts out, I think it just takes some getting use to. If you disagree that's fine, but there has to be other people that see this car the way I do.
It was funny because I walked up to the Tribeca for the first time and my reaction was...
That's it? That's the grille? That thing is tiny. You hardly even notice it!
The grille insert is recessed and you don't see it all all from the sides. It's a smallish grille and in person that's not even what grabs your attention, the profile and D-pillar do.
Funny trivia tid bit - the overall shape was inspired by a Rugby ball in motion.
Outside actually looks quite handsome, thoroughly modern. I saw a Cayenne a little bit later and it was down right boring, and Porsche didn't even use a boxer engine! Shame on them!
Bad news? No telescoping wheel, donut spare tire, and the 3rd seats is smaller than the Pilot, about the same as the MDX (but bigger than the XC90).
Good news? Interior puts the Pilot to shame. In fact it beats the MDX. The MDX design suddenly looks dated, a relic of the 90s.
Tribeca's materials are very nice, I was impressed. Very comfy seats, tons of leg room in the front.
2nd row also very comfy and it folks 40/20/40, so you can have 2 kids in the outboard seats and still load long objects, which no competitor I saw could do.
3rd row is tight but it is comfy, unlike the uninhabitable Pathfinder or Highlander. 2nd row can slide forward 4" or 8". 8" and the 3rd row fits adults, but then the front seat has to be moved up.
So let's say 2 rows of adults and one row of kids, but they'll fit.
DVD is HUUUUUGE, 9" is bigger than Lexus, Acura, Honda, anybody. Most are 7" or less.
Very cool - the Nav screen can play the DVD if the car is in park.
Nav was AWESOME, took me about 15 seconds to enter my address and it found my house with just the street address, no city, state, or zip! It gives you direction in a male or female voice, but no voice recognition yet.
Price - they only said it would not hit $40k even loaded to the gills with leather/DVD/Nav. So I figure $32-38k or so.
Preliminary mileage was 18/24 but they went out of their way to say that was wrong, that it was not even determined. So who knows.
I got 228 pics and will start uploading tonight.
Verdict - nice outside, distinctive and stylish, but AWESOME inside, very luxurious and really really stands out from mainstream models with nicer materials and finish.
I'd give the outside a B+ put the interior gets a solid A. This is not a shuttle for 7 adults but families will be pampered. It would be a privilege to own one of these. I hope my budget allows for it!
and... THANKS DOUGDJJS!! The link to the '62 Giulietta was fantastic. That's definitely the most right-on resemblance I've seen anyone come up with. I know very little about Alfas, but I certainly can recognize that was a beautiful car! I don't think Tribeca's unattractive, but that grill just doesn't look as good to me on an SUV as on a sports car (Cayenne, anyone?), even though I'm sure I'll like Tribeca's nose even more once I see it in person. (Heck, I'm already used to looking at it.)
Juice, thanks for the write-up. Very interesting indeed, and I can't wait to see your pics.
From my vantage point, I applaud Subaru for taking a risk with this vehicle. I may not appreciate the design until I see it in the flesh, but the interior looks truly remarkable, something that has been obvious since the first pictures surfaced in this month's Car and Driver.
This Subaru offers something distinct, certainly controversial, for those willing to make the leap to a lesser known make from the mainstream. I think the differentiation in design, AWD systems, equipment, and handling-performance just might be enough to lure such buyers.
My main contentions (aside from styling, which is and always will be subjective) remain the price points for differnt iterations, and the very modest torque offered by the 3.0L H6. Topping out UNDER $40K seems like a very smart move, IMO. (Also, Im very happy the name now includes Tribeca, as one can completely ignore pronouncing "Benign" when speaking of the vehicle).
This is going to be one helluva intersting experiment for Subaru. Top brass says 250K in US Sales for 2006MY. I think its very very possible.
What were sales this year? I wonder how much of that they forecast will be Tribeca sales. I'll stick by my 40-50k forecast for sales, now that we know prices won't hit $40k.
Thing is it's as nice as the SUVs that have base prices around $38k or so, so basically you can get a loaded Subaru with DVD and Nav for the price of a cloth or leatherette competitor with neither.
Some pics are up, and I'll be uploading more tonight...16 already in this album:
You may have to register just once, but it's worth it.
Note - both 2nd and 3rd rows have toe space under the seats in front of them. That makes a smallish space a lot more tolerable. Also, the floor isn't high for the 3rd row, so you don't end up with knees in your chest like some competitors.
So there is more comfort than there is space.
Also, the middle of the 2nd row beats most competitors for comfort. Might be because of the 40/20/40 split design.
I don't know a lot about Alfa's either, but when I saw the B9, I thought that it reminded me of a vintage Alfa so I went looking and that's what found.
I can't wait to see the car in person either. I think it really is going to surprise everyone. I remember thinking that the first Impreza with the "buggy" headlights looked funny, but now I miss that design. I think Subaru goes more for interesting and sophisticated looking vehicles that grow on you over time vs. choosing the "eye candy" approach that grows old real quick. And if your a company that changes designs every two years, then I guess it's easier to take the eye candy route. Subaru has design changes every five years, so the looks have to stand the test of time.
Who was asking for leg room pics? They are there. I think Shaq would fit when you move the seat back, down, and recline. It has at least a couple inches more than Legacy, my extended leg would not let my heel reach the pedals (30" inseam).
So I could not put the seat all the way back.
I also tilt the wheel all the way up then all the way down in 2 pics.
Great job with all the pictures. As always you did good, going back to last year with Legacy GT.
I like the vehicle better and better the more I see all it has to offer. The NAV system looks really cool, with all the features I could see in your pictures.
The only thing that still bugs me is the power, but need to really drive it 1st. Mabye it will be fine for what it really meant for. Then I'm sure next year Subie will give it an XT...and voila..it will be even sweeter.
Is there any talk of the power situation at the show?
The information on this form is really impressive.I have owned two Outbacks and the Tribeca may be next but I agree with the majority of comments on the exterior. I am trying to find out if anyone knows if the Power Passenger Seat is is 8 way power like the Driver side. On the 05
Outback Limited ,the passenger seat is only 4 way.
I am a NAV-MORON, as in I could not figure out i-Drive to save my life. Seriously, 15 minutes into trying that system and I had not even started entering my address.
No joking, in 15 seconds in saw my house on the Tribeca's Nav map.
Folks at the show worked for product planning. They read these threads. They actually knew Bob's handle here on Edmunds (RSHolland), before they heard his full name!
So go ahead, make suggestions, right here and now.
What do we want? CVT? Diesel? Turbos? Keep in mind this is an urban SUV, more on road than off even though it can do the occasional stuff our Subies are used to.
Paul - no, passenger power seat is like the Legacy, 4 way. Both seats have manual lumbar support adjustment, however.
Driver seat has 8 way power.
All the seats are very comfy. Leather is soft and they use a nice grade. I was impressed. Some leather on competitors feels like, well, vinyl, compared to the Tribeca's hide.
Hey - we must have cross posted, juice. Thanks for the reports and photos! No telescoping wheel is not a deal killer necessarily. The Honda Odyssey has no telescoping wheel and fits great. I will just have to sit down in one this Sunday when I go to the auto show. Your reports on interior space are encouraging, though!
My finger some times, Bob's other time, and the Product Planning guy, who is now the Product Manager for the Tribeca. The guy was a genius, too bad he was also secretive.
The lady in the photo is Candeline (sp?), probably the best-informed booth host I've ever met. She really knew her stuff. I was taking photos of the back seat and she hopped in to provide scale.
swampy: yes, I checked that out. All four power windows switches are lit. Only the driver has the express down feature, though. Key ring is also lit. Both driver and passenger have lit vanity mirrors, too.
And yes, just one eye glass holder.
No idea about the gas tank, I couldn't find it either. I bet it's under the 2nd row floor?
Kenwood reps where there. They were not allowed to divulge that info, suppliers that is. We asked who made the DVD Nav system. BTW there are 2 DVDs under the driver seat, they cover the whole country. And you can use the Nav and watch a DVD movie at the same time, plus the DVD movie loads right where the screen is, no fishing around for it under a seat.
Go early or go late. That way you avoid the crowds.
Discreetly ask to speak to the Product Specialist. They agreed that if you said you were from the Edmunds.com Subaru Crew and that if you showed your Subaru keys (take them), that they would let you in.
Again, go early or late, they don't want to open the Tribeca to floods of people. You guys are VIPs and will have access, but remember, keys, and ask for the Product Specialist. Also mention Edmunds. OK?
Just one question on the second row. How wide are each of the seats? I imagine the '40' seats will fit a child seat or booster, but how about the middle '20' seat? Would really be nice to carry three kids in the second row.
It appears the seat belt for the moddle seat is the same as the Outback and that it comes down from the roof. Correct? I wish it was seat mounted. That way its always ready to go and not in the way (blocks view in mirror).
That's just my strange sense of humor; I actually like the Tribeca quite a bit...will definitely look for it at the dealer (not that I'm in the market).
Comments
Like I said before, the distinction between MSRP and invoice is irrelevant if we're comparing Subarus -- that's an issue between the buyer and the dealer and it doesn't affect Subaru's bottom line on the sale of the vehicle. And even as a buyer, the difference between MSRP and invoice is going to be damn near the same percentage no matter if it's a VDC or a base model. I just chose Fitzmall as the example because their inventory is online and you can use the pricing to determine how long the car has been on their lot. Whether we are talking MSRP or invoice, the percentage difference is going to be nearly the same on all the models.
As far as sample size, I have only bought 5 Subarus myself and observed a few hundred here on Edmunds, but the best metric is to go talk to a dealer and see what they order and sell. The leather lined Ltd models with a fair amount of accesories are the meat and potatoes, not the base cloth models. And then we have the official quote that 25% of 05 Legacy/Outback sales are the turbo models, which get into the same price range as the VDC and Bean. So, I think it's fair to say that at least 25% of the sales are the pricey models, and it's likely higher. I doubt we can get better info unless it comes from a Subaru insider.
There is plenty of differentiation between the Tribeca and the VDC. More room, two more seating positions, more flexible seating, completely different styling, different options like Nav and DVD.... If I would pay $34K for a VDC wagon, then why would I not pay $34K for a comparably equipped Tribeca if I was looking for a larger, roomier vehicle?? To me, they are just offering more choices to their customers.
BTW, look at the specs -- while the VDC is the top dog in the Outback lineup it's equipped the same as the "base" 7 seat Tribeca. Both are $34k (if you believe the info we have thus far on the Tribeca).
Finally, the Tribeca doesn't have to be a grand slam. If it keeps more customers in a Subaru by offering them the larger vehicle they have been looking for, it will be successful. The production numbers that SOA announced already indicate that they expect it to be a much lower volume vehicle than the Outback.
Craig
Don't forget, a 50,000 sales/year for SOA is 1/3 of their usual annual sales in the US.Even half of that will be worth it to FHI. It may make GM go broke to sell Aztecs in that number but for SOA its great. Heck, its probably a third of Saabs total worldwide sales!
And it ain't that ugly compared to lots of things on the road which sell well. I think the Rx300 and every LandRover ever made is real ugly!
And having owned "premium/luxo" brands in the past and as I'm not one for gadgets and gizmos, give me a reliable Sube over any German car any day.
As I have said before, I thank God and Audi for being such a POS car that I found Subaru a decade ago so I am no longer stuck in snow at 3AM in minus 20 deg weather or spending more time at the dealership than is good for ones health or sanity.
Subaru is not going to suddenly beat Nissan or Hyundai by having a B9 in the sales race, but it will increase their sales in N America dramatically.
If the B9 sells for over 34k---a large segment of eager buyers will be excluded from being Subaru owners. They will just flock to the competition.This will mean the B9 will not resemble the success of the Outback!
Blaming the whole German auto industry on your experience of being snow stuck is not exactly being objective!
I have a few German cars in our household (99 BMW323, 01 MB C240, 83 MB 300D and a 86 Audi 4000) and they can all be considered bulletproof when compared to my hellish experiences with a 88 Acura Integra.
And I am not going to blame every car from Tokyo for my Acura experiences!
(yeah .. my son-in-law 'bubba' thought he was buying an 'american' car ... both times)
http://www.motorbase.com/profiles/vehicle/picture.ehtml?i=56;p=14- 03839311
But at the same time it looks like a future concept car. I think the car is absolutely stunning. And the looks will definitely grow on people because this is so out of the range of what Subaru normally puts out, I think it just takes some getting use to. If you disagree that's fine, but there has to be other people that see this car the way I do.
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_detroit/subaru/b9x/pa- ges/DSCN1710.htm
That's it? That's the grille? That thing is tiny. You hardly even notice it!
The grille insert is recessed and you don't see it all all from the sides. It's a smallish grille and in person that's not even what grabs your attention, the profile and D-pillar do.
Funny trivia tid bit - the overall shape was inspired by a Rugby ball in motion.
Outside actually looks quite handsome, thoroughly modern. I saw a Cayenne a little bit later and it was down right boring, and Porsche didn't even use a boxer engine! Shame on them!
Bad news? No telescoping wheel, donut spare tire, and the 3rd seats is smaller than the Pilot, about the same as the MDX (but bigger than the XC90).
Good news? Interior puts the Pilot to shame. In fact it beats the MDX. The MDX design suddenly looks dated, a relic of the 90s.
Tribeca's materials are very nice, I was impressed. Very comfy seats, tons of leg room in the front.
2nd row also very comfy and it folks 40/20/40, so you can have 2 kids in the outboard seats and still load long objects, which no competitor I saw could do.
3rd row is tight but it is comfy, unlike the uninhabitable Pathfinder or Highlander. 2nd row can slide forward 4" or 8". 8" and the 3rd row fits adults, but then the front seat has to be moved up.
So let's say 2 rows of adults and one row of kids, but they'll fit.
DVD is HUUUUUGE, 9" is bigger than Lexus, Acura, Honda, anybody. Most are 7" or less.
Very cool - the Nav screen can play the DVD if the car is in park.
Nav was AWESOME, took me about 15 seconds to enter my address and it found my house with just the street address, no city, state, or zip! It gives you direction in a male or female voice, but no voice recognition yet.
Price - they only said it would not hit $40k even loaded to the gills with leather/DVD/Nav. So I figure $32-38k or so.
Preliminary mileage was 18/24 but they went out of their way to say that was wrong, that it was not even determined. So who knows.
I got 228 pics and will start uploading tonight.
Verdict - nice outside, distinctive and stylish, but AWESOME inside, very luxurious and really really stands out from mainstream models with nicer materials and finish.
I'd give the outside a B+ put the interior gets a solid A. This is not a shuttle for 7 adults but families will be pampered. It would be a privilege to own one of these. I hope my budget allows for it!
-juice
http://www.subaru-global.com/topics/ms/2005detroit/b9tribeca/inde- x.html
and... THANKS DOUGDJJS!! The link to the '62 Giulietta was fantastic. That's definitely the most right-on resemblance I've seen anyone come up with. I know very little about Alfas, but I certainly can recognize that was a beautiful car! I don't think Tribeca's unattractive, but that grill just doesn't look as good to me on an SUV as on a sports car (Cayenne, anyone?), even though I'm sure I'll like Tribeca's nose even more once I see it in person. (Heck, I'm already used to looking at it.)
Craig
From my vantage point, I applaud Subaru for taking a risk with this vehicle. I may not appreciate the design until I see it in the flesh, but the interior looks truly remarkable, something that has been obvious since the first pictures surfaced in this month's Car and Driver.
This Subaru offers something distinct, certainly controversial, for those willing to make the leap to a lesser known make from the mainstream. I think the differentiation in design, AWD systems, equipment, and handling-performance just might be enough to lure such buyers.
My main contentions (aside from styling, which is and always will be subjective) remain the price points for differnt iterations, and the very modest torque offered by the 3.0L H6. Topping out UNDER $40K seems like a very smart move, IMO. (Also, Im very happy the name now includes Tribeca, as one can completely ignore pronouncing "Benign" when speaking of the vehicle).
This is going to be one helluva intersting experiment for Subaru. Top brass says 250K in US Sales for 2006MY. I think its very very possible.
~alpha
Thing is it's as nice as the SUVs that have base prices around $38k or so, so basically you can get a loaded Subaru with DVD and Nav for the price of a cloth or leatherette competitor with neither.
Some pics are up, and I'll be uploading more tonight...16 already in this album:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=2132273475
You may have to register just once, but it's worth it.
Note - both 2nd and 3rd rows have toe space under the seats in front of them. That makes a smallish space a lot more tolerable. Also, the floor isn't high for the 3rd row, so you don't end up with knees in your chest like some competitors.
So there is more comfort than there is space.
Also, the middle of the 2nd row beats most competitors for comfort. Might be because of the 40/20/40 split design.
Oh, and 8 or 10 cupholders! 8 for the 5 seater.
-juice
-juice
I don't know a lot about Alfa's either, but when I saw the B9, I thought that it reminded me of a vintage Alfa so I went looking and that's what found.
I can't wait to see the car in person either. I think it really is going to surprise everyone. I remember thinking that the first Impreza with the "buggy" headlights looked funny, but now I miss that design. I think Subaru goes more for interesting and sophisticated looking vehicles that grow on you over time vs. choosing the "eye candy" approach that grows old real quick. And if your a company that changes designs every two years, then I guess it's easier to take the eye candy route. Subaru has design changes every five years, so the looks have to stand the test of time.
I also put up a "Competitors" album, here:
http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2132270983&- ;idx=0
We tried to compare and contrast, and make notes about them. They include:
LR3: roomy but pricey
Volvo XC90: no leg room for 3rd row
SRX: small DVD screen and knees in chest seating
MDX: small DVD, outdated design
Pilot: headrests must be removed to fold 3rd row
Highlander: 3rd row not split, low cushion
RX: smallest cargo area
Pathfinder: 3rd row too upright, cheap interior
Pacifica: good 3rd row
I don't think any of them have the neat 40/20/40 folding seat I really liked on the Tribeca.
-juice
Oh yeah, nice babe shots too!
Craig
The hood is sealed front (double), back, and even sides, for NVH control.
They went the extra mile there.
-juice
So I could not put the seat all the way back.
I also tilt the wheel all the way up then all the way down in 2 pics.
-juice
I like the vehicle better and better the more I see all it has to offer. The NAV system looks really cool, with all the features I could see in your pictures.
The only thing that still bugs me is the power, but need to really drive it 1st. Mabye it will be fine for what it really meant for. Then I'm sure next year Subie will give it an XT...and voila..it will be even sweeter.
Is there any talk of the power situation at the show?
Let me know.
True
Outback Limited ,the passenger seat is only 4 way.
Thanks for any info on this item. Paul
No joking, in 15 seconds in saw my house on the Tribeca's Nav map.
Folks at the show worked for product planning. They read these threads. They actually knew Bob's handle here on Edmunds (RSHolland), before they heard his full name!
So go ahead, make suggestions, right here and now.
What do we want? CVT? Diesel? Turbos? Keep in mind this is an urban SUV, more on road than off even though it can do the occasional stuff our Subies are used to.
Paul - no, passenger power seat is like the Legacy, 4 way. Both seats have manual lumbar support adjustment, however.
Driver seat has 8 way power.
All the seats are very comfy. Leather is soft and they use a nice grade. I was impressed. Some leather on competitors feels like, well, vinyl, compared to the Tribeca's hide.
-juice
DaveM
So, SOA is listening? Where's that Spec B Legacy? ;-)
-Brian
(Did you quiz the spokewoman/model on the features of the B9?)
I know this since I just happen to work for the previously mentioned supplier ; ).
We also supply the radios for the Legacy & Outback.
The lady in the photo is Candeline (sp?), probably the best-informed booth host I've ever met. She really knew her stuff. I was taking photos of the back seat and she hopped in to provide scale.
swampy: yes, I checked that out. All four power windows switches are lit. Only the driver has the express down feature, though. Key ring is also lit. Both driver and passenger have lit vanity mirrors, too.
And yes, just one eye glass holder.
No idea about the gas tank, I couldn't find it either. I bet it's under the 2nd row floor?
Kenwood reps where there. They were not allowed to divulge that info, suppliers that is. We asked who made the DVD Nav system. BTW there are 2 DVDs under the driver seat, they cover the whole country. And you can use the Nav and watch a DVD movie at the same time, plus the DVD movie loads right where the screen is, no fishing around for it under a seat.
-juice
Go early or go late. That way you avoid the crowds.
Discreetly ask to speak to the Product Specialist. They agreed that if you said you were from the Edmunds.com Subaru Crew and that if you showed your Subaru keys (take them), that they would let you in.
Again, go early or late, they don't want to open the Tribeca to floods of people. You guys are VIPs and will have access, but remember, keys, and ask for the Product Specialist. Also mention Edmunds. OK?
-juice
VIP access to the B9 - WTG for setting that up.
-Brian
Sly
1. Memory seats
2. Review View Camera. does it have parking sensors ?
3. residual power after shut down to roll up windows or something
4. run flat tires
1)A telescopic wheel would be nice.
2)TORQUE!
Aside from styling, thats it from me.
-Joe
Just one question on the second row. How wide are each of the seats? I imagine the '40' seats will fit a child seat or booster, but how about the middle '20' seat? Would really be nice to carry three kids in the second row.
It appears the seat belt for the moddle seat is the same as the Outback and that it comes down from the roof. Correct? I wish it was seat mounted. That way its always ready to go and not in the way (blocks view in mirror).
--jay
I guess I'd expect that from a bigger SUV type but subaru ussually has frameless windows on the doors.
--jay