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And that's not an anomaly
Yet....
$6k discount still ain't enough to move a new diesel
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Probably better than most
"Brougham"
Not something seen every day
Funny blast from the past, painful price
For the money, why not
I do think it was a bit much though, once they started applying the name "Brougham" to cars in this size and price range. It just seems to me that word should be reserved for a more Elite class of car.
I guess it's just a word that got watered down, along with "Limited", "Classic", etc.
Might be good for parts.
Looks to my untrained eye it should be maybe a $7k repair. Yet insurance totalled it. hmmmm... more damage than meets the eye, maybe?
Oh wait!
He has more!
Lesseeee... $13,500 for the one above or $10,500 for this obviously sound investment?
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My cousin has a great tool collection. We could buff that right out.
That price is about right ... if it WASN'T damaged.
Don't have to be rich to suffer massive depreciation.
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And that's not even the worst of it. Check out the asking prices on Autotrader!
Guess everyone read that article in R&T this month, huh? ;P
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Sounds like about $9,000 would be the right price. Then just drive it into the dirt.
You'd be surprised how many people are willing to save a buck, even if it means going salvage.
I've had friends who convinced themselves (or got convinced by the seller) that the vehicle sustained only minor damage and "scratches" but otherwise it's ok. When you tell them there's no warranty, they look in disbelief, and wonder if it was worth the $3-5k they saved (typically on 1 or 2 year old model).
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Just wondering aloud why it was totalled if its just the damage shown in the pics.
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The Golden Rule is:
"Whatever it is that gets you into a car cheap when you buy it, will come back to haunt you when you sell it".
2002 Honda Insight, metallic grey, 105k mi., 53+ mpg, 5 spd, A/C
I could see having one for the occasional long distance trip, but not at that price. What did they sell for new?
We never carried them as they were special order. Not many even inquired about them.
I bet if they'd be available for sale now with same pricing as a Smart car, (sub $20k) they'd sell like hotcakes. I guess Honda was a little ahead of the curve back then.
Not sure how much the Insights cost when new in the US.
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not sj or ssj
not many
very near me and over priced
spend another 10 and get a new one
turbo chicken?
almost done, but what color?
i thought i was looking in the 'bargain news'
park your cars underneath this
That '69 GTS is really sweet, too. I can't drive a stick worth a darn, but for something like that I'd learn!
My old supervisor had an '80 or '81 Turbo Trans Am. He sold it for something like $2500 back in 1994. He knew I was into old cars, and actually got a bit pissed because I bought my '67 Catalina, instead of his Trans Am. He just didn't grasp the concept that just because I like old cars, doesn't mean I want to get my hands on every single one in existence! Plus, I didn't have enough gold chains or chest hair to pull off the look. :shades:
I've seen the 2009 Challengers up close, and honestly, I think I'd rather just buy an old one. Plus, while the new ones may only be stickering at $43K, most people are trying to get $55K or so for them. Dunno what they're actually getting, but that's what they've been asking.
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My old '69 Dart GT was a beige close to that, but it seemed to wear it better, IMO. Part of it might have been the contrasting. It had a black interior, blackout paint on the grille, a black aluminum strip that ran the entire length of the beltline, and a black trim panel on the decklid. It had a black vinyl top when I bought it, but it was tearing pretty bad and had rust underneath, so I just pulled the top off completely and fixed the rust. I just used bondo, but actually did a pretty good job. It still looked decent 4 1/2 years later, after that car had been wrecked, when I finally had it hauled off to the junkyard.
I guess I've also just had too many similar colored cars since that Dart ('79 Newport, '79 5th Ave, '67 Newport, and my '67 Catalina is a creamy yellow that's not too far off), that the color has worn kind of thin on me.
That Dart also shows the little tricks they used to fluff up the overall length of cars in the 70's. IIRC, a 1973 Dart is about 204" long, whereas my '68 and '69 Darts were about 196". You'd think 8" would be a significant amount, but on these cars, I think it was all in that little beak, and those big rubber blocks they hung on the bumper.
For '74-76, I think the Dart actually got up to 206". That was when they made the back bumper stick out further, and also put the rubber blocks back there, too.
Visually though, I think those 70's Darts look smaller than my late 60's ones did. Maybe because the late 60's ones had a longer rear deck and vertical rear-end, as opposed to the sloped-off rear of the 70's? Funny though, how the automakers could actually "hide" 8-10 extra inches back then. And also kinda interesting how they'd sacrifice utility in the name of style. That sloped off trunk dropped the Dart's volume down from about 17 feet to 15, although sadly, by the 70's, that still made it class leading in compacts, and it actually rivaled some midsizers!
Edit: Hey, pretty good memory.
according to msnautos, the 2000 Insight's original MSRP was $18,880. And current KBB is ~$10k. That's extremely impressive resale.
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Most of these are ruined today
A real truck
Fancy Granada
End of an era, kind of
Less common "Celebrity"
Those Lincoln Versailles were a pretty lame attempt, overall, to compete with the Seville. It's sort of a shame that Ford didn't try harder to differentiate the look from the Granada, because in some respects, they actually put some effort into them. IIRC, the Versailles was the first domestic car to offer a clearcoat paint job. I see them every once in awhile at car shows, and I swear they actually put many modern cars to shame. Build quality was also pretty good on them. Ford took more car in assembling these, so the fit and finish was tighter and more even than on their other models. It was a well-built automobile for the time...if only it didn't look like a fluffed-up Granada!
"You will not find anything you don't like about this car"
My grandmother's cousin has an '89 Coupe DeVille. I've driven it a couple times, and for such a small car, GM did their damnedest to make the thing FEEL like a big car. Wide turning circle, vague handling, wallowy in the turns, etc. I guess that's what much of the buying public still wanted at the time though, because they were pretty popular at the time.
the good:
everything i tried seems to work, lights, wipers, power seat, radio, power windows and locks, power antenna!!!, clock time matched my cell phone, too!, takes bumps well. it didn't seem to leave any spots in my driveway overnight. never any bodywork or paint needed.
the bad:
power brake booster is failing, engine does not have much acceleration power uphill, general direction steering, couldn't figure out the cruise control while i was driving. someone stole the hood ornament.
"Special"
here's a genuine reason for sale
I think "general direction steering" was standard equipment on most domestic cars back then.
cutlass wagon
it's a mid size before gm went to fwd.
if you look between the 9 and 11 am spokes on the mustang, you can see part of thr original right side exhaust pipe.
Lots of documentation including an old 13.04 second drag ET. (That was quick for a stock Boss 302.) 196 miles showing on the odo and "raced three times by an enthusiastic amateur who passed away just a few months into his ownership."
Anything is possible, who knows? The worn-looking steering wheel and missing clutch pedal seem odd. And though the seller states the engine was started and sounds strong, "the vehicle has not been moved under its own power."
Assuming all is as stated in the auction, how would you appraise a garage find like this? Deduct for needs or simply estimate the "time capsule" value of a rare old race car?
Would I have paid $70,000 more than the car is worth?
No. Was the buyer wrong?
We'll only know if he can resell it for that price, right?
I think it must be an 83 then, I want to say those were gone by 84...Andre would know.
As for power, or lack thereof, by 1983 I think they shrunk the engine choices down to the 231 V-6 or the 307 V-8. My old '82 Cutlass Supreme coupe had the 231 and it was pretty slow. I imagine the heavier wagon body would only make it worse, unless they stuck quicker gearing in. The 307 might not be too bad in something like this. Although I imagine if you drove something like this when it was new, gradually got used to newer cars, and then had to go back to the 307, it would be a lot slower than you remembered!
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Too many odds here to even look at. And the seller is smoking serious crack if he thinks that car will sell for the $220K he is asking. Serious crack, indeed.
Just look at the bidding history. Someone with 2393 feedback certainly knows better than to keep bidding up $5k at a time.
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Sellers don't realize sometimes their liabilities regarding "misrepresentation". Protesting one's innocence about the true facts does not absolve one of culpability. If you say something that is significant enough to convince a judge that this statement sufficiently motivated a buyer to purchase the vehicle, then IMO the buyer's lawyer has a pretty good hook sunk into you.
I'll take a stab at $350k-$400k.
Absurd? Sure!
Possible? Hey, its Barrett-Jackson!
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;P
I THINK you meant John (intentional misspelling) Voight's Chrysler LeBaron.
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Pictured above is the 1983 Town and Country convertible. In it's new incarnation, the Town and Country sat on a 4 cylinder LeBaron chassis. Some of the T&C's of the new generation came with an optional Mark Cross interior which provided an AM-FM stereo, two-tone leather bucket seats, and a Mark Cross Edition embossment on the armrests. In it's first year back it was greatly underpowered but it was a convertible and... who else made one?
Below is a 1983 T&C wagon:
69 Beaumont - looks very clean to me
It's gotta be a rare Benz with a stick
Very presentable Caddy
Impala convertible
Gran Torino
Camaro owned by scuba diving aunt
Another Camaro this one with T tops
Gangster car from the 80s with "Atari dashboard" I growing fond of these probably because of the action movies I watched when I was a kid
Raised price from $750 to $900 "because of response and condition of car" what, it restored itself in a week behind the house : confuse:
Not something I'd buy, but somethng that we all will be driving and living in after a nuclear war or a zombie outbreak
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