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But I could always convert to turbo and kick it back into Dstock.
I'm having alot of trouble finding good info online for a stock NA '85 300z.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Google Z31.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
i went back and looked at the pictures.
saw a buick GN and what was that red car in the garage? a mustang?
many times, i focus on the background rather than the subject of the pictures.
the red car in the garage was a late '80s Z28. Real minty. Calls it his baby. In the 2nd bay of the garage was a '49 Chevy coupe in a state of disassembly. He did have a banged up thing in the driveway, I guess that was the GN. I didn't pay much attention to it. And he had about 3 other projects near the street. So this is why he was letting the Z go.
Shifty may not approve of what I paid for it, but its one of those that goes beyond pics/description ... well, at least the SELLER's pics/description. Honestly, I think he could have gotten more had he gone into better detail. The structure of this car is amazingly clean. It would be impossible to have any better in the rust belt. There is ZERO rot on this car. And it runs beautifully. Add to that the fact that ALL the electrics work and the seats and dash look 5 years old rather than 25 years old. I feel it was well worth the $1100 I paid. (well, ok, I paid $1200, but the extra $100 was to have him trailer it to my house.)
For the little bit I was able to drive it, I was amazed at the power. It did not feel like 160hp. I think the 2800 lb curb weight must do wonders.
Tomorrow night I will hope to have the time to pull the alternator. I'm sending it off for a rebuild for which I probably won't get charged. Oh, and I guess since the timing belt is a mystery, that's top priority, as well.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Seller has no idea what a 442 is
Not bad??
What is a reasonable offer? It certainly looks like a nice car and the buckets have to be rare
Such a fast ugly car
Is this too much?
Not the best Vette ever but if the miles are real, is this in the right ballpark?
Could a GTO have a 326?
Same seller has a Catalina Is this worth restoring?
This price is probably high, right?
It's not a van and the words 160,000 miles should never be preceded by 'only' especially not on one of these
I never thought the last gen firebirds/camaros were necessarily ugly. But I don't believe I'm in the majority on that one.
Yes, that Benz is WAY too much, IMHO.
The seller of the blazer states "only 160k miles on the dash." I wonder what the rest of the car has on it. ;b
As for the RX7 ... I gotta wonder at some of these statements:
is my Daily Driver i am only selling because i need money for school: and how will you GET to school??
yes it holds 4 people: you have a funny view of "people" if you think 4 can fit in there.
upgrades are true full exhaust: ummm... uhhh... what is a false full exhaust? or a partial exhaust?
shaved back no emblems: I don't believe he has a clue what "shaved" means.
just undercoated the whole car so not one spec of rust... that has not been covered with undercoat, at least.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Like the white Impala
Early GTOs did have a 326
1967 Alfa Romeo Guilia Super 1600
Another Alfa. Definitely NOT a parts car.
1958 Alfa Romeo Guilietta Spider
87 Mazda --- shoot, ANY car that runs, drives and is fun and doesn't look like a wreck is wroth $2,300 but I'm wondering if this one is going to be obnoxious to drive.
67 Chevy Impala --- hmmm....interior looks beat, paint job in door jambs looks careless at best, probably wrong engine, wrong transmission, body looks okay but who knows. Right now I'm thinking $5000 is all the money. Inspection required, we could go lower.
1995 Firebird -- if you want to actually see and feel the adjective "cheesy", this is your car. Built with the quality of an Italian TV dinner tray.
74 Corvette Convert --- interior looks tired--not a bad asking price but given what I see, maybe $12K is about right here. Could be fixed up, might be some profit in the car. Condition of the fiberglass is paramount. Not a "hot" year for a Vette, but still, a car one could drive and enjoy.
'65 GTO -- no, it's a Tempest Clone.
59 Pontiac Cataline -- asking price is ridiculous. Pebble Beach quality is worth $20,000K or so, and that leaves us.....with not much to offer the man. It's a Catalina (base model), it's ugly, and it needs a LOT of work. Try $4000 and be happy.
1991 Mercedes SL -- well, they are asking top dollar and then some, but if the car is truly spectacular, and if you truly want one of these, this may be the way to go. No sense buying one cheaper and then putting $$$ into a longterm depreciating asset. I'd lowball the car in this market and if I got the car, I'd just drive the crap out of it until it's all used up in ten years. Can't beat $1300 a year investment for ten years of top-down Mercedes driving. But don't think it's going to be "collectible". Remember, unloved when new, unloved when old.
So far I'm pleased with my $1100 purchase.
Now, granted, I just loaded up my shopping cart at AllOEMautoparts to the tune of $240, but I guess it is alot of stuff (t-belt, tensioner, water pump, thermostat, cam seals, crank seal, plugs, rotor, and cap).
There are a few small items I'll have to special order at a dealer, however, before diving into the t-belt change.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Actually my philosophy is that if you can "build up" a car you bought cheap to equal the value of one you could have bought used at retail, then you are actually better off that way.
The only snag in project cars is trying to make the car new again. Once you start ordering replacement door panels at $300 a pop, you know you've gone off the deep end.
well... I hope not. I would like to get new rugs, though. Not carpeting, just the mats. And, yes, I agree with doing it yourself. That way, you know it is right. Not to mention, my labor is free.
bumpy, I can't say for sure, but Wiki states the Z31 came in at 2888-3027. I assume the turbo is the heavier in that range. And mine, being the stick, 2-seater, non-turbo, I assume is towards the lower end. I do, however, have power leater seats and digital dash, so... I dunno ... maybe 2950?
Seems to me that range on Wiki is small, though. I mean, stick non-turbo vs automatic turbo with adjustable suspension should make more than ~150-lb difference, one would think.
Oh, FYI, wiki states the 200sx of similar year was 2640 lbs.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Kind of funny you say that. Just to demonstrate how twisted my "mind" can be sometimes, after placing the car in the garage for the first time, I looked at it and projected the thought towards it, "Its OK, baby. You're safe now." I really do feel like some sort of shelter for wayward vehicles sometimes. It is a good thing I don't have a bigger garage ... yet.
Notice the mazda has been evicted, once again. It enjoyed the comforts of the garage for all of 4 months.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
And, to be sure, it does have some mechanical needs, but that's a perfect scenario for me. Its the cosmetic stuff that I'm not good with, and this is in good shape from that perspective.
There are more issues than stated in the auction, but I have yet to assess the problems, if at all. For instance, the power steering pump is missing its belt. Now, this COULD be simply because the AC compressor seized or whatever, they pulled the compressor and belt and never bothered finding a suitable shorter belt. I'll find out soon enough. And I just discovered this morning that the climate blower may not be working. But I'm unsure because the controls are so damned confusing. I need to read the owner's manual and make sure I'm operating it correctly. Could be operator error, a bad sensor (of which this has many, I found out), disconnected wire/vacuum line (plausible given the removal of the stereo), or a true failure. Oh, and the power mirrors don't work.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Like with my fintail - has a little oil drip - quirk. Brake pedal squeaks - quirk. Clock doesn't work - quirk. Smokes a little upon acceleration when hot or idling for several minutes - quirk. Fouls out when RPMs get too low for speed - quirk (shared by all early MB FI). Has hockey stick tape holding together an ancient leather steering wheel cover because what's under the cover is a lot worse - quirk. Speedometer cable makes noise in cold weather - quirk. I could go on and on...
Not sure what I think about a car where the trunk is longer than the hood, though. Seems off somehow.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Meanwhile, why you can't let young girls pick out cars - Miley Cyrus Trades in Mom's Porsche for Prius.
"Her first item of decor: 'I'm gonna get Hello Kitty floor mats!'"
Those are so tough to get for a Porsche.
And my father was worried about ELVIS. What's HAPPENING to today's youth?
Yeah, that's the weight range of the Z31 series. The 2+2, with longer wheelbase and body than the two-seater, is at the high end of that range. Incidentally, the 2+2 only comes with the naturally aspirated engine.
Nice looking car, Brozen!
Looks like the '84 listed there is right about in line with Wiki, but then the '86s are quite a bit heavier. No '85s with curb weights shown.
Hmmm... this will take more research. I'm just curious what it comes in at.
ahhh.. got it. Someone posted a pic of the '85 brouchure. The official Nissan weight is 3071. I'd hoped it was under 3k, but still not too bad by today's standards. And, heck, after deleting the AC and removing the spare and all tools, I'll probably be right near 3k.
And check out that weight distribution.
Thanks for the compliment, hpmctorque!
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Ironically, given today's impressive gadgetry, light cars may cost more than heavy cars to make. Just the wiring on modern cars probably weighs more than your fintail's engine. :P
The 70/72/whatever that piece of crap is, little if any value. The body style, while arguably the best of the series, was renowned for rust, and that example has bondo written all over it.
Now, to the 74 model; you have got to be kidding. Why would you change the engine unless the original was complete trash, and then why would you keep the block if it was not repairable? By 1974, the H/O W30 was mostly pin stripes, stiff springs, and emblems. The "high output" engine was 230HP net. Not exactly a barn stormer. The seller is smoking crack or something stronger.
Of more value in my opinion was the '79 H/O. Much better lines, and used the Oldsmobile 350 with some performance tweaks and a much better suspension.
None of which holds a candle to the best of class 1970 W30. A good example of those commands good money.
I'm thinkin' more like mid 6s, based on road tests of a '67 W30 from CARS magazine, that got 14.1 sec @103 in the 1/4 and a 0-60 of 6.5. The 70 W30 tested by Motor Trend did 14.2 sec @102 mph.
But whatever, it IS an animal!
My E55 weighs around 3700. I wonder what one could get it down to if they really worked at it. All of the power stuff and creature comforts have to weight a bit.
0-60 times were limited by the bias belted 70 series tires. Our morning of fun with the car yielded a whopping 4MPG on 102 octane. When this particular W30 was babied you could almost get 10MPG.
Back in '70 there was a lot of talk about the 365HP rating. Dad was an Oldsmobile service manager at the time, and all the engineers and service departments knew that the spec was an intentional lie. Olds management (stodgy old birds) had dictated that no engine was to exceed 1HP per 10lbs of weight for the car it was installed in. That's why the spec on the Toronado showed the horsepower higher than the W30. One of the car mags at the time tested several W30 on dynos and found all to be above 425HP. I don't own a dyno, but my young butt would say that was FAR more likely than the published 365HP!
side note: The W30 version of the 455 would cook a set of plugs in about 3000 miles. Under full throttle and approaching redline with worn plugs, that monster would backfire through the quadrajet so loud you thought the engine was coming through the firewall. Good thing it had bucket seats. :surprise:
Yes most of the "muscle cars" ran out of steam just over 100-110 mph.
Boys being boys, insults were traded about unsophisticated American engineering and puny little foreign cars with puny AND lousy little six-cylinder engines.
Honor could only be satisfied by a race on the local interstate highway:
I got to ride in the Healy
The Chevelle, of course, left the Healy behind on the launch, but ran out of steam.... and, screaming at the redline, was finally passed by the Healy's overdrive gearing somewhere north of 120 mph (indicated, of course).
It was an education for a young boy, and I started reading Sports Car Graphic after that. Maybe them Furinners was onta somethin' with them puny cars. Six years later, I owned an Alfa and didn't even care about what happened on a straight piece of highway any more....