Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,005
    the 7,000 lb towing capacity caught mo eye.
    2024 Ford F-150 STX, 2023 Ford Explorer ST, 91 Mustang GT vert
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    My Grand Marquis LS was white with a dark blue landau roof and a dark blue leather interior.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,339
    That was the color combo I had on my '89 Town Car.

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  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,339
    91 Brougham bidding at $19,100 :surprise: Still 7 days to go.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,174
    "91 Brougham bidding at $19,100 "

    We've entered the Beanie Baby zone... :confuse:
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,827
    I'm late to the party, guys, haven't checked the posts in a few days.

    I really like that old Corolla, but I don't think anybody would really want it... no airbag, so it must have "passive restraints."

    The pictures were carefully taken so you don't see the goofy idiot belts -- and I don't remember what form they took -- but I don't think the car could have been sold with just regular, common-sense 3pt belts.

    -Mathias

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190334169031
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    sheer raving lunacy. Someone's going to have a big hangover in 7 days.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804
    I don't think anybody would really want it...

    Hmmm.. well, 16 bids. And I want it! ;b

    Seriously, if this came up next week, I'd be all over it, I think. I'm still working on trading the G and selling off the Volvo. Once that happens, I'll need cheap transportation for myself, and a manual wagon is exactly what I'm looking for.

    '11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S

  • qbrozenqbrozen Member Posts: 33,804
    "rare automatic"

    Kind of a shame. Not sure about the price, though. Seems kinda rough to me. If the no rust is confirmed, I guess maybe $3k is OK. The auto really kills it, though.

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  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,174
    "I kinda think it holds more value (to the right person) as a package. Perhaps you could sign a bill of sale designating the sale "as is" and specifying that use of the catamaran is at the owner's own risk?"

    Success - we sold both the Polara and the 'Autoboat' to my sister's Saab mechanic, he's hoping to fix it up and get it back on the Ohio River. Here's hopin' :)
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,731
    Another case of rare not equaling sought after. Car doesn't look bad though.
  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,002
    looks to be sound at lest. Although IMO "needs a minor tuneup" in an ad is code for "engine is shot". Not sure if by '73 they still had issues with soft camshafts? Shifty would know!

    You could easily go from a tune up to an engine teardown, but at least (outside maybe of the FI) the B20s in that car were still extremely simple, and I imagine a relatively easy rebuild.

    ONly questin is, how simple is the manual tranny swap! At least if you were going to do that, I expect you could get a later 5 speed box instead of the 4+EOD?

    That and a set of minilites and you are good to go!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Yeah, all Volvo B18 engines and B20 engines will have soft camshafts and worn timing gears unless they've been rebuilt recently. This results, as you might imagine, in a rather sluggish car. It's not enough to stop the engine (unless the fiber timing gear completely breaks off), but coupled with the pathetic Borg Warner automatic, you end up with a pretty dreary car to drive.

    Volvo engines of that era are very simple to rebuild, however. Your basic pushrod + iron+ nuts and bolts kind of engine. No traps, no tricks, no high tech.Very "Model A" like.

    Too bad there's no sunroof. The interior of these cars is claustrophobic, even with all that glass, because you sit so low your shoulder barely reaches the bottom of the window glass.

    My two cents? An unpleasant, noisy, slow and heavy car to drive without modifications, which, happily, are readily available---different seats, lighter wheels, bigger tires, internal long block engine goodies, ignition updates, steel timing gears, hi lift camshaft, suspension packages, updated oil cooler, updated instrumentation. No reason why you couldn't covert to a 4-speed, although I'm not sure it's worth the expense.

    I've driven updated and modified versions of this car and they are way way better. But it's going to take you 10 grand to get there.

    Volvo's version of a 1965 Ford Mustang 6 cylinder automatic---a nice body on a very dated chassis and drivetrain IMO.
  • xwesxxwesx Member Posts: 17,879
    That's great! If he gets the whole rig operational again, you will have to share some photos or footage....
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  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    "car runs well, could use a good tune-up."

    Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron? I always get red flags when I see the term "could use a good tune-up" on a car for sale. Are we talking plugs and wires, or a valve job???
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,451
    Needs a tune up or 'needs a battery and it will start right up'. If that's the case, why wouldn't they invest $20 in a used battery and sell a running car? 99% of the time, that's complete BS.
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,174
    "car runs well, could use a good tune-up."

    And what's that tell you about how it's been maintained? :sick: ! I can't imagine having a hobby car that I sell with it just needing a tune up. Maybe that's code for 'It was running well, until it stopped running."
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Exactly. Maybe sometimes a non runner will hide other problems that would be evident if it was running.

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,451
    i am willing to cope with losing it for the right amount If this was an SS, it still might not be worth this much
  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,731
    He's only overpriced by about 10x
  • texasestexases Member Posts: 11,174
    That Malibu reminds me of the old 'lost dog, 3 legs, blind in one eye, goes by the name 'Lucky''...
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,451
    Maybe the 4500 markup is for his pain and suffering in letting his dream car car.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I'd certainly do a compression test.

    Could be the finicky electronic fuel injection system, too. These early systems were susceptible to bad grounding wires, dirty "triggering points" and wear in the little throttle electronic black box, which ran a contact arm over varying points of resistance (in other words, mechanical wear of the part was possible).
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Lots of Fall Garage cleaning before the weather gets bad...

    1964 VW Notchback project
    "Will sell or trade. $999 in trade value. Prefer guns or motorcycle... Guy stuff"
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/1368797429.html
    By the way, I've never heard of a 64 Notchback before.....

    1989 Land Rover Range Rover - $7900
    This is not a $1500 junker.
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1356331677.html

    72 Triumph TR6 - $3800
    rebuilt engine,new paint, runs and drives good, needs interior restored
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1376950594.html

    1951 Ford 2-Door "Survivor" - $12500
    unrestored original in excellent condition
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/1372885294.html

    1971 FIAT 500L - $18000
    Before there was a Mini or Smart car, they had the Fiat
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/1371321652.html

    1965 GTO Conv. PHS doc's,Restored
    This is a very nice goat conv and is show worthy. $35,000
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1368467977.html

    1948 Cadillac 61 Series - $39250
    I suppose this resto-rod seemed like a good idea when drugs were cheap
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/1367839050.html

    1939 Ford Convertible - DICK KRAFT BUILT custom street rod!
    The car won the "Timeless Street Rod" award
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/1367764750.html

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    Anybody? Andre?
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/ctd/1365519926.html

    And lead us not into Jaguar Temptation
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/cto/1376010455.html

    Find the $13,000 difference...
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/ctd/1368904284.html
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1343057924.html
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,113
    I kinda like that '61 DeSoto...ugly looking things from the front, but still kinda cool IMO. I think that's kinda pricey for a 4-door hardtop though. And I don't think you could get a 383 in these. They came standard with a toned-down 361-2bbl with 265 hp. However, I have heard rumors that you could still get the 333 hp 383 Cross-Ram.

    I guess it's possible that someone just yanked out the 361 and put in a 383? Or the seller just doesn't know what he has?

    I'm also not too crazy about the red. If the car had a white contrast down the side, like my '57, it might look better, but as it is, I think there's just too much red there. These cars looked really nice in some of the period greens and blues. Here's a '61 DeSoto paint chart. Strangely, considering that half of the choices are variations of blue/green, I think the most common color I see on a '61 is white. Although here's one I saw at a local car show in 2006 that was "Tahiti Tan".
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,451
    Most people don't paint a car one part at a time

    Shame you spent so much on the car to have it look like that

    Good pics

    Frankencar

    I didn't know these came with 4 cyl How impossibly slow must this be?
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 21,005
    for the fire chief convention
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    Well at least the Diplo-dog has good tires. No one who is depressed should drive this car.

    85 Mustang GT -- he meant $400, not $4000, right? RIGHT? :surprise:

    Best Fox body Mustang in the world could barely break $8500.
  • tjc78tjc78 Member Posts: 17,339
    How impossibly slow must this be?

    My Mother had a 92 Caravan with the 4cyl. Literally, uphill loaded with a few people you would have to shut the A/C off to maintain speed. It was that bad!

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  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,451
    And I bet that 99 must be a few hundred pounds heavier than a 92
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    That Mustang. Maybe it's got some decent parts there but I can't see him getting $4k for it. Maybe $1500-$2000 in the condition it's in.

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  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,827
    car & driver did a test on these around '98 or '99 and didn't think it was too bad.

    the old ones with manual transmission were actually pretty good.

    by '99, the vans had gotten heavier, sure, but the engines had gained a lot of horsepower also. the real downfall of these things was the horrendous reliability of the engine. so the engine was really perfect for the perennially dismal transmission.

    -mathias
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,451
    For comparison, this Mustang is $5,000
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Much more car for the money, although double the mileage BUT the car is complete, driveable, and about 6 years newer. No brainer.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,002
    It is also unregisterable, at least in NJ, since he removed the cats.

    surprised how many people do this on newer cars. Probably the day after they get it inspected!

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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    And surprisingly how little good it does to remove the cats on modern cars. It can in some instances even make them run worse, and with less power.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Member Posts: 4,600
    I also heard or read that the reduction of back pressure from removing the converter could harm the engine. Since this was some time ago, I don't know about the reliability of this information. Is there any truth in this?
  • gsemikegsemike Member Posts: 2,451
    But anybody that knows anybody can get a sticker for it. Nonetheless, on a modern car, not real advantage to be had by removing them
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I don't know about "harm", but certainly it could affect performance in a negative way just as much as a positive one. If I recall correctly, open exhausts can burn valves, yes, but few cars run that way.
  • ghuletghulet Member Posts: 2,564
    another classic case of owner thinking he 'should' get $x because he's put $x into the car. :sick:
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    I never understood that logic:

    "The market should subsidize my restoration expenses and decisions".
  • jlflemmonsjlflemmons Member Posts: 2,242
    There are several counties in Texas (I live in one) that will look under the car for the cats. No cats, no sticker. The department of public safety routinely will run a car with documented defects through a safety station to see if the check is thorough. Big fine for stickering a car without passing emissions.
  • oregonboyoregonboy Member Posts: 1,650
    as it should be :shades:
  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Caterham / Lotus 7 replica - $4500
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/1340026273.html
    Hell, Yeah!

    Lamborghini Kit car diablo 6.0
    Fiero Lambo a-go-go
    Hell, No!

    Edit Fixed 2nd Link
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    Mostly built. I can see that :confuse:

    The second link goes back to the first one, not to a Diablo kit car.

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  • stickguystickguy Member Posts: 54,002
    what does the Lotus guy consider almost done, taking the pieces out of th ebox?

    The lambo looks just plain nasty. Not even sure if the 100 hours and 10K is a reasonable estimate. Maybe if the labor is all yours (IOW free), and you go cheap on paint!

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  • lokkilokki Member Posts: 1,200
    Additionally, after I looked deeper, that Lotus has a "Honda V65" engine.

    This turns out to be an 1100 cc 4 cylinder motorcycle engine producing 116 HP (or less), and Wiki says that they've got a reputation for problems.

    The 1100 cc "V65" engine, which was introduced in 1983, produced 116 hp. Both were slightly detuned throughout the run of the 1st gen engine to cope with customs and EPA regulations. However, Honda reported the same Horsepower figures throughout the whole generation even through the actual dyno-proven, detuned, figures showed up lower than advertised.

    The engine's downfall was premature camshaft wear in some early models; both V45 and V65. In retrospect, the wear was caused either by production problems, sub-quality steel alloys, or by inadequate oiling flow. Owners have often modified their oiling systems and successfully eliminated the wear problem, and some companies sell kits to do this modification.

    But this came too late to save the engine's reputation. Honda itself at first denied there was a problem, then blamed inadequate or incorrect maintenance for the problem. They changed the maintenance interval, and developed and sold a special tool for 'proper' valve-lash adjustment. They eventually made changes to the design and production methods of the engine which eliminated the problem.

    But it was too late. The 1st generation V4 was discredited

    In any case it's not an Integra GS-R V-Tech engine..
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright Member Posts: 64,481
    So it's a replica of a replica? mostly built? Should read "box mostly opened".

    This car needs a good 'ol torquey pushrod car engine.
  • boomchekboomchek Member Posts: 5,516
    The Lambo comes with an "imitation passenger airbag" whatever that means.

    The quality of the kit will depend on how good the buyer/assembler is with their hands I guess. Especially with cutting out the headlights or other orficies on the body. I wonder what percentage of kit cars never get finished? I'm guessing about half?

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  • fintailfintail Member Posts: 58,731
    It's a microwave popcorn bag, takes a few minutes to inflate.

    I like the title without the price: "Lamborghini Kit car diablo 6.0 OR BEST OFFER"

    I'd say $6.0 sounds fair for the parts.
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