Project Cars--You Get to Vote on "Hold 'em or Fold 'em"

Mr_Shiftright · July 2006

'84 Supra---- don't ask over Blue Book and then put $29 sheepskin covers on the seats .

steine13 · July 2006

"Makes's steine's little beater look like a new Lexus"

Yeah, but that one's old.
Mine's an '83.

Also, the AC works. Really.

-Mathias

fintail · July 2006

OK, this is just insane

Neat car, somehow I smell a fake ad

qbrozen · July 2006

the first one just CAN'T be right. I think we are dealing with yet another seller who doesn't comprehend the difference in typed appearance of 1,000 and 100 and 10.

The second one was already pulled, so I'll have to assume it was a fake ... whatever it was.

fintail · July 2006

The Cuda seller is a dealer who spams Seattle Craigslist (and undoubtedly others) with high priced mainly project cars. I bet the price is what he really wants...probably sees it going for 100K when finished.

The second one was a really nice looking TR3 for something like 9K

Mr_Shiftright · July 2006

'cuda guy is nuts. "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing".

you're right, he is just about ten times over actual value. A 340 with a non-original motor and needing everything? DUH.

lemmer · July 2006

But it does have original paint. It is a beaut. No angel iron in this one, but possibly some angle iron.

andre1969 · July 2006

in that Barracuda's VIN? I know in "BS23" that the "B" means Plymouth Barracuda and the "23" means 2-door hardtop. The second letter denoted the price class. In the Darts it was usually either L="Low", H="High" and P="Premium". My '68 Dart 270 is "H", and my '69 GT was a "P". I think a '68 Dart 170 would've been "L".

I want to say that "S" = "Special", but I don't know where that would fall in the L/H/P hierarchy.

Mr_Shiftright · July 2006

the seller is just blowing smoke..."S" means Special, which means very little, and H1 only means a 1971 year car with a 340 engine in it, which he doesn't have anymore.

His car RESTORED isn't worth $45,000!!!!!!

ptownbubba · July 2006

I got a 57 Chevy, it was my Aunt's who bought it new, and then parked it in 1973 in her garage. 235 CID runs great, no rattles, shakes or smokes. Just ordered a load of brake parts, so I can putt around. I got it free, but the body is pretty rough, lots of holes and stuff. Will take a while with my lack of talent to bring her back.

http://www.carspace.com/ptownbubba

fintail · July 2006

"I can just store it till it's worth it to someone. "....yeah, I hope you don't mind storing it

Big model kit

Battleship

Mr_Shiftright · July 2006

Well it doesn't look too bad really...as long as the floorboards are reasonably intact and the chassis underneath isn't dangerously rusted. It has the typical '57 rust areas. Bodywork is mostly about patience. If you're going to keep it as a driver you don't have to do show quality work. The 4-doors won't ever have the value of the 2-dr hardtops or converts so you have to set a budget in line with the car's potential value....something like $15,000 should be about as far as you want to go.

You can get a lot done for that amount of $$$ if you do some of it yourself and/or farm out the tricky stuff to people who might give you a discount.

I think you can bring this car back under budget.

ghulet · July 2006

...at least it's a four-door hardtop, which I think are fairly rare; I think it's more a drag that it's a six-cylinder, but of course, that's more easily changed than the body style. I like the original color, and it looks complete and restorable. Just make sure, like Shiftright said, not to 'over-restore' it. It could be a fun driver, don't make it into a trailer queen or something you'd otherwise be reluctant to drive, or you couldn't sell and stay solvent.

Fintail, I LOVE that 300SEL--that's my favorite body (LWB) in one of my favorite color combos (smoke silver with creme beige leather) with the best (if not fastest) engine. Nice.

fintail · July 2006

Yeah that 126 looked nice. I think I will always like those cars, excellent design and quality, really one of the best sedans ever made.

A bit big

Debatable use of "classic"

Mr_Shiftright · July 2006

Actually it would be a good car to modify with a crate motor and 4 speed transmission. You could probably sell the 6 cylinder engine or swap it for labor. Some vintage AC, a good sound system, some make-do bodywork and a modest paint job, and you have a good looking car that can actually go somewhere on a modern road.

andre1969 · July 2006

I think that's cool, too, seeing a '57 Chevy 4-door hardtop. I know they're usually not worth a whole lot, but I always liked the 4-door hardtop body style. And with '57 Chevies it seems like the 2-door sedans, 2-door hardtops, and convertibles have been done to death, to the point I hardly notice them anymore.

lemko · July 2006

I like that '57 Chevy four door hardtop as it is indicative of the kind of cars most people drove back then. If you go to your typical car show, the uninitiated would think everybody drove two-door hardtops or convertibles back in the day.

fintail · July 2006

I wonder if that 57 4 door HT could have been ordered with a fuelie...

I think that's not a bad car too...a little more obscure

fintail · July 2006

Speaking of 4 door HTs, this isn't the worst looking old thing

andre1969 · July 2006

I think in theory you could order any '57 Chevy with fuel injection. IIRC, you could get that Oldsmobile J-2 triple 2-bbl carb setup on anything that Oldsmobile offered, as well, even station wagons. And Dodge's D-500 setup was available in any model too I think.

In contrast it seems like Plymouth, DeSoto, Pontiac, and Chrysler wanted to limit their high-power engines to their top-line supercars (Fury, Adventurer, Bonneville, 300 Letter Series)

qbrozen · July 2006

http://newjersey.craigslist.org/car/186772659.html

lemmer · July 2006

I am thinking those aren't on the top of future appreciation or low cost of ownership lists...but I like them anyway.

Mr_Shiftright · July 2006

piece of unadultered junk. A Fiat hodge-podge of badge-rape, not worthy of the Lancia name by any stretch. Destroy every one you see, please.

fintail · July 2006

Those early FI cars interest me, it'd be cool to have something like a 4 door HT with one. I remember my dad telling me years ago about seeing a sedan delivery with FI.

What an interior

Later FJ40

Maybe not the worst deal for lesser muscle

If I had a little land and a way to use it, this could be cool and useful

andre1969 · July 2006

That red interior on that '79 Eldorado hurts my eyes! I think that little pimpmobile just has too much red. If the leather and the vinyl parts on the doors were white, with the rest of it being red it might not be so bad.

And I always love it when one price is written on the windshield but they have another price in their ad. Makes them look either confused or desperate.

Doesn't seem like it's in bad shape though. And that year they used Olds 350's in them, so they were fairly reliable, as long as you didn't spring for a Diesel!

Was it the Biarritz model that added that stainless steel trim?

xwesx · July 2006

For some reason, I find that car very appealing. If I lived somewhere with a *slightly* shorter winter, I would be inclined to take a closer look.

xwesx · July 2006

Wow... that tractor is almost a shame to see! One day in the field and half the paint would be gone from it again. I am thinking, for practicality, he should have put Rhino Liner on it instead of the red. :P

fintail · July 2006

Yeah I think the Eldo Biarritz ha the stainless top. Those looked much better....and losing the vinyl never hurts.

Who would go to this effort and expense?

DaWoo

"Restore or Parts Car?"...yeah, I'm gonna have to go with "parts car"

xwesx · July 2006

Er um..... runs great for under $1K? What am I missing here?

fintail · July 2006

It's not a Daewoo...it's "Da Woo" (say it in a rapper/thug voice)

xwesx · July 2006

Not familiar enough with the "voice." Nor cool enough to mimic it anyway.... :P

fintail · July 2006

Imagine it being said by a skinny white suburban wannabe 'gangsta', crossing his arms as he says it. You know what I'm getting at...it's a malady around here anyway.

xwesx · July 2006

Hahahahha.... my brother-in-law is coming to mind.....

bumpy · July 2006

A parts supply, unless going to Korea for a timing belt is your idea of a good time.

xwesx · July 2006

Ahah! Well, if it does not have any current needs, $800 or so is a good investment on it if you can get more than, say, 6 months out of it! Then, off to the scrap heap. :P

Mr_Shiftright · July 2006

The Malibu might be good for the rear clip for $250, if it's clean and undamaged.

fintail · July 2006

Something you don't see every day

ghulet · July 2006

OMG, if this isn't another from the 'the rarity of my car means it's worth three to five times book' AND the 'I think my diesel is a gold mine' file, I don't know what is:

http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/187160501.html

I'm fairly confident I could find an 850 ten years newer than this, with probably lower repair costs ultimately, and a lot more fun to drive, for about half as much money.

ptownbubba · July 2006

Thanks for all the input,,,,,,,,, There is a lot of floor pan rust, the frame shows a nasty spot or 2, not sure yet, need an expert to eye-ball the frame. I have a friend who is an expert welder, and tinkerer, he can fix anything. Plus my son is a stick-mig-tig welder as well. If I continue, the car will go back the way it was, no fancy stuff, no v-8, and I will not fix it to sell it,,, it is a family car so I really want to just bring it back to how it was ,,,,,,,, may take a few years,,, but that is fine too.

fintail · July 2006

Cool, diesel greed isn't a northwest disease.

As an odd aside, the font on the nameplates for those cars always seemed odd to me.

Here's a cooler square wagon, should that kind of thing get you going

xwesx · July 2006

Oh! That looks like it could be fun! I wonder what "upside down" would be on it.... probably an extremely low ceiling but at that price there would have to be at least $1500 worth of wiggle room. It looks like a fun play car though.

ghulet · July 2006

...especially for the price (annoying bitter diatribe with all-caps ad notwithstanding):

http://chicago.craigslist.org/car/186792094.html

andre1969 · July 2006

I just read throught that guy's ad copy, and for some reason "Bitter, party of one" comes to mind? :P The car doesn't seem too bad though, at least in the pics. I wonder how hard that top is to put up and down manually. I have to do the same with my '67 Catalina. I *can* do it by myself, but it's really a 2-man job. The problem is that you have to reach over as far toward the center as possible to start lifting, otherwise one side starts to lift and then that binds up the other. So basically you just end up hurting yourself and risk bending the top frame.

I'm guessing it should be easier on a midsize, though.

lilengineerboy · July 2006

I think he meant $750. The Volvo diesel was developed with Peugot and a few others and it might have had some issues. It wasn't particularly thrifty and it wasn't the most reliable mechanically. If I was looking for an older diesel I would go with the Germans (240/300D, 300SD, VW Diesel) over the Sweedes.
That 940 is nice but I would rather have a 89-91 740 Turbo so I can get a stick. This might be a lil too old and gone though:
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/car/186985653.html

lemmer · July 2006

I'll throw in my anecdotal evidence and say that my family had a 760GLE TD that we sold at 165K with no engine issues at all.

Your description of the engine sounds like the PRV V6 that was neither thrifty nor reliable. It was in the DeLorean too.

I was thinking the diesel was a VW design.

fintail · July 2006

With all the pricey MGBs out there, this looks downright cheap

lemmer · July 2006

I've seen a lot like that, I just haven't posted them as we are looking for something a little nicer.

Here is our latest prospect.

I am thinking of moving my personal search from an NA 944 to a Turbo, not because I want the extra performance, but because it seems easier to find decent examples (although asking prices seem to run nearly double).

Here is a nice '88 Turbo that is only a few miles from me.

Mr_Shiftright · July 2006

'74 MGB--what's with the rubber front bumper blocks?

85 volvo Diesel: This engine comes with a horrible reputation, and with so much grumbling out there about it, one has to presume the worst. Sure, it's rare, because it is a thoroughly nasty thing to drive and nobody wanted one.

BIODIESEL CRAZE -- I wonder if all the people who dream of turning used cooking oil into fuel (not the only way to do biodiesel but the most hyped one) are yet aware of the incredibly toxic chemicals they have to use to make the oil suitable for fuel? "Sure my kids were born with two heads, but I'm saving $2 a gallon on gas!"

1967 Olds Convertible --- yes, Oh Ranting Seller, you will find these cars for sale for $10,000, but those have tops that go up and down and paint that is not falling off....ah, the old "it's just a broken line"....why, when something is so "simple to fix", doesn't the seller do it prior to sale? The world wants to know....

Porsche 944 Turbo --- fun to drive. Seller being in Porsche club is a good sign. Better investment since N/A 944s won't ever be worth anything.

lemmer · July 2006

I thought the same thing about the bumper guards on the MGB. They look big enough to use the car to push start his airplane.

Is that 944 Turbo in the ballpark at $11,000?

I recently saw a red one listed as 'absolutely perfect' for $11,000. One of my first email questions was about the motor mounts. The seller admitted that they were shot and needed immediate replacement. Why call your car perfect and price it as perfect if you have no chance as passing it off as such when someone comes to look at it?

fintail · July 2006

That white one looks nice. Here's a similar one locally, not so cheap

Most of them around seem to be rubber bumper models.

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