Tundra vs the Big 3 - Continued II

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  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    ..you guys been busy....

    God old Tindra fans just dont' get it eh?....must have been the free Ginsus that came with the truck that makes them so happy?

    A sandwhich short of a picnic...good one Ryan..
    That about sums up Toy fans...

    As well as:

    - A couple cans short of a 6 pack
    - Their Elevator doesn't stop at all floors
    - The lights are on..but nobodys home
    - Not playing with a full deck

    ..I think we got a new forum here??

    LOL

    Go back to war....and when your mom says it's OK toy fans....come to my site....I hear tundras are the food of choice...

    - Tim
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    5 zero's in 10,000 - hehehe. Man, this is fun...
  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    "Never met a more prideful and arrogant bunch as
    the Tundra owners and their trucks."

    throw in "denial driven" and i think you're on target. rob's always been like that. bama has interesting input every once in awhile; if you like reading the same regurgiated magazine articles over and over. god forbid that guy come up with a thought on his own. bottom line is, these guys live for consumer reports. if CR says all tundras are perfect, then dadblammit, they're all perfect. can't wait to see the CR article previewing the 2001 models though - i think they just may be singing a different tune.

    i like the main engine bearing story too. it adds a certain "spice" to my day. makes it more interesting. then, when i'm done with fiction reading, i go over to tundra solutions for humor...

    awhile back they had a thread that was mocking the "f150 online" site. now THAT was funny. bunch of soccer moms, er, tundra owners trying to make fun of ford owners talking about performance mods to their trucks.

    kyle
  • ratboy3ratboy3 Member Posts: 324
    ouch!
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    I hope you represent the majority of toyota tundra owners. And that these other guys are the minority. They give tundra owners a horrible name let me tell you

    Ryan
  • oldharryoldharry Member Posts: 413
    have tubular cross members that a Toyota fan says are only tack welded. I had a 2000 Z-71 in for alignment today, and there are four large tack welds 90 degrees apart, and a smaller bead between them. The local dealer's alignment machine has been down for over a year, and I'm getting to do all his alignments. GM has revised specs for alignment, raising the caster setting about two degrees for all model Silverados, maybe that was the "shake".

    Harry
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    It is written...no not gospel that the rado's cannot keep the caster/camber settings. Had mine aligned once cause dealer said feathering tires caused by alignment at 1100 miles...recheck alignment 3000 miles later....due to tires feathering and found to be out of alignment....aligned, checked again at 4000 miles and out of alignment causing uneven tire wear...is there a pattern or do I need to realign my truck everytime I service it? And the service manager has tried to blame my driving habits...all I told him was geez this is a truck isn't it. SSDD. He didn't like the dung being flung back at him that's fer sure...

    Tim

    post #491- you forgot "not the brightest crayon in the box"

    Dean
  • bigsnagbigsnag Member Posts: 394
    What about "not all of his dog's are barkin'"??
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    keep them coming

    - Tim
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    The poster previously known as Zbad71, DBhull, Budlitedude, Budlitedude 1, 2, 3 ad nauseum.

    "Just the facts Ma'am"
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    funny thing about someone's writing style. It's almost like their signature, no matter how much you try to hide or change it...eventually the true colors come through...my $.02. And don't forget where you heard it first. This one was on me....
  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    finally, ya'll have accepted "the facts". evidenced by the FACT that there's no reply other than to spout off some garbage about f150...

    s'pose we can close this topic down now...

    kyle
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Case closed

    Ryan
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Yep, throw some weak insults and declare case closed. That's the way of you guys. Ignore the dead and crippled people on the nightly news from yet another big-3 coverup. The latest? Seems ford has been repeatedly warned about defective tires coming apart. What did they do? DENY! DENY! DENY!(just like the shakerados). Now that so many have been injured, crippled and killed, they cannot contain the truth anymore. BTW, you "rocket scientist" caught my "five zeros" but never figured out what the fifth one referenced. Truly thick-headed!
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    There is no way I could even began to sort through the thousands of posts on many websites concerning the vast array of silverado/gm defects. I realize it's not much work to cut and paste on the Tundra since there are so few real problems. Edmunds for example has a Tundra vib topic. Who posts there? Domestic owners!
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Weak insults? You took factual info as an insult?

    On the tire issue have you read what size tire it is? P235's hmm not many PICKUP trucks use this size. Ford explorers we are tlaking about pickups f-150 silverado ram and tundra here not SUV's. Changing the subject once again.

    RWELL you missed our point totally. We never denied gm or ford defects. We tried to bring light that Toyota also has defects and problems which you seemed to ignore and think there were none and the "tundra" is the most perfect truck in the world well its a far cry from that.

    Oh yea on the tundra board there are 9 pgs just for the vibs. I went through 1 pg to get all that info and that wasnt all of it.

    We presented the fact that the tundra has problems of its own just like any other truck maker. That was our whole point. If you missed it oh well your not the brightest streetlight on the block then.

    Case Closed once again

    Ryan
  • cdeancdean Member Posts: 1,110
    The guards are down, the lights are flashing, the bell is ringing, but the train ain't coming...
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    Toyota still sells the Tacoma with those same exact tires. Guess they don't care about killing people either. We all know how Toyota is only in the business of humanity and not to make money. They should win a humanitarian award. All the while, they still do the same things as Ford or Chevy, or Dodge.

    Havn't checked, are those same tires on the Tundra too? Most likely.
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    Maybe the reason nobody with those tires on a Toyota has had a problem is because all those trips to the soccer fields and grocery store are within 10 miles of home and all city driving. No stress put on them tires. Nah, probably because they only put the superior tires on the Toyota's. Us unfortunate folk gots to live with all the inferior tires. Silly me.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Their trucks are in the shop because the wheels are slippin off the rims.

    Ryan
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Not surprising. As part of the onging attempts to fix my truck, Toyota technical suggested that the Service Manager go find a truck on the lot that does not vibrate, Toyota wanted to swap the wheels/tires onto my truck as a test. Guess what, they could not find one that did not vibrate. That's when the dealer decided to have my tires balanced on the new Hunter machine at one of the local Chevy dealers. Most improvement I saw on any of the fixes tried. They had all the tires on their trucks rebalanced. Toyota factory evidently can't balance the tires well enough to stop vibrations from that source. I am sure the official stance is that these vibrations are within the design paramaters. They either don't get it, or they know they have a major problem and are trying to weather the storm with minimal losses. Why do you think the release of the Sequoia has been pushed back? Why do you think I am in arbitration with them? They may have a design problem, they think we are going to go away. They may find that their customer base does go away.

    I recently test drove 4 Tundras covering 2 dealerships.All but one had an off road package, so 3 had BF Goodrich tires and 1 had Dunlops.The reason I test drove 4 Tundras in a matter of a couple of days, is they ALL had steering vibrations at 50 - 65 miles per hour! I haven't found one in a lot I will feel comfortable buying. I had no idea of how wide spread this situation was until I found this site. Thank God.


    Ryan
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Now, there's no denying it! BLD/dbhull has reared his ugly head, reincarnated once again. This time as f150rude.

    So the Tacoma uses the same firestone tire as an f150 now?

    The Tundra uses dunlops or bridgestone.

    Sorry there's been no catostophic defect like your beloved ford f150, explorer, etc.

    Ford KNEW about the faulty tires and did absolutely nothing to stop these tragic and unecessary deaths and cripplings. Of course GM KNEW about their exploding gas tanks and did nothing until they got sued for millions of dollars. Is that why the cheaply built and slapped together silverados cost so much? In reality poor guys like ryan/werking are helping pay GM's lawsuit woes.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    According to the post you referenced, it seems that every Tundra (all 6 of them built) vibrates. Yikes!
    Everyone; listen to Ryan and do not buy a Tundra. Every one of the postings from Tundra owners claiming their trucks are great have been a scam by Toyota marketing. Run, don't walk, To your nearest Chevy dealer and buy a Silverado! The best news is you'll be Ryan's buddy too.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    I never said every. Those werent my words but words of fellow tundra owners. he test drove 4 tundras and all 4 vibrated. Oh but wait tundras dont vibrate right??? Why do you take things so out of context? Have you gotten the point of all this yet? Im not trying to get people to not buy the tundra i am trying to get people like you who think the tundra is the most perfect and free from problem truck out there to see this is untrue.

    Please so me a favor and say you get my point and you know the tundra isnt perfect and like every other truck out there it has its own problems. Alright? I know you know this but are afraid to admit just admit it please.

    Ryan
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    I won't resort to your namecalling. If your frustrated and cannot come up with a coherent thought to post, don't resort to childish namecalling.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    BLD/dbhull has reared
    his ugly head, reincarnated once again. This time
    as f150rude.

    f150rude? its f150rules

    I guess from the looks of that i resorted to your level. Maybe a little harsher but it got your attention

    Ryan
  • swobigswobig Member Posts: 634
    it's no use. Some people don't get it. No matter how many recalls, stories, junk trucks you point out they'll deny, deny, deny. There truck is the most wonderful thing ever created. He'll never answer your question, call you bad names, and brag about his beloved Tundra. I read his posts and almost feel sorry for him. I don't understand how people can go though life being so narrow minded...
  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    rob - let's try this again:

    ref: post #505
    "Yep, throw some weak insults and declare case closed."
    per Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (Ninth Edition):
    "Fact (n): a piece of information presented as having objective reality"
    for example: posts from the tundra solutions board - say, did you give them your solution yet? i'm sure there are more than six tundra owners out there waiting to find out that if they get their tires balanced and alignment fixed, that annoying vibe they've been experiencing for almost a year now will go away
    "Insult (n): a gross indignity"
    for example: what emotional rob - who can't comprehend the FACT that his tundra actually is less truck for more buck - sees facts concerning the tundra as. rob, we gave you facts and figures - you took it as an insult. you can't deal with tundra issues without getting emotional. don't worry, it'll be ok.

    "Ignore the dead and crippled people on the nightly news from yet another big-3 coverup."
    uh, actually, firestone is a JAPANESE owned company.

    "BTW, you "rocket scientist" caught my "five zeros" but never figured out what the fifth one referenced."
    yeah we did...we know it represents YOU.

    ref: post #506
    "There is no way I could even began to sort through the thousands of posts on many websites concerning the vast array of silverado/gm defects."
    there's a pretty simple reason for this...you couldn't find any. ryan and i take 10-15 minutes out of a couple of days to pour a deluge of posts on you and you can't even find one. LOL! don't worry rob, you don't need to show us those posts, we know where to look. heck, we'll even admit they exist. you're the one still trying to convince everyone that blue flag is actually red.

    as for the childish name-calling, perhaps you'd like to explain to us what you meant when you told ryan he could play with the safety scissors and the elmers, cuz it tastes good.

    kyle
  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    rob, talk about cover ups, LOL!!!

    "I am sure the official stance is that these vibrations are within the design paramaters. They either don't get it, or they know they have a major problem and are trying to weather the storm with minimal losses. Why do you think the release of the Sequoia has been pushed back? Why do you think I am in arbitration with them? They may have a design problem, they think we are going to go away. They may find that their customer base does go away."

    that's from a tundra owner! wow, same thing i been saying the last couple days. when the consumer report on the 2001 tundra comes out, we'll see where the ole initial quality and projected reliability numbers are, huh?

    kyle
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    So Ford uses Japanese tires? Talk about hypocrite! You domestic guys are constantly lauding the virtues of an American built truck, yet the parts come from all over the world and much of the assembly is conducted in other countries (Mexico).
    Your absolutely right, I tried really hard but couldn't find any negative posts about GM/Silverados! LOL.
    Good job on the extra zero, I see you finally figured it out, not! ;) He He
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    2001 Tundra:
    You mean their actually gonna build more of them deathtrap Tundra's. I thought you were going to blow that Indiana plant?....or....maybe you did! ;)
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Where were those tires manufactured????

    Decatur Illinois. USA if you ask me unless the subject of geography has changed.

    How do you think those tires end up on your truck? These companies bid and then they choose.

    Ryan
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    I think it is hillarious that these guys are just so sure that I am somebody else. If they only knew how far out in left field standing stupid they really are.

    Namecalling? I got a perfect cuss word to call them "Tundra" owners. Ooops, I just said it. Sorry for my gutter mouth.
  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    you know what's funny? if you look back through our posts, i don't think you'll find one reference from domestic fans where we say anything to the effect of, "don't buy a tundra. by a chevy. stay american." etc. that's not the point, rob.

    if you look at 99% of the domestic-favoring posts, you'll find that all we're trying to say is that the tundra isn't as bullet-proof as you like to think it is. that is what i've closed the case on. i think others would agree. you seem to enjoy taking constructive criticism to the extreme, and that's ok. everyone here sees through that insecurity.

    next customer please...

    kyle
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    Oh, if you want to know my First name, its Jude.
    I choose not to give out my personal details which is why I x'ed out my name when registering. There are too many rwellbaum2 and bamatundra's out in the world.
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    Another thing. You are wrong about Toyota not using the exact same tires on the Tacoma. Lots of my friends with Tacomas had stock Firestone Wildnerness AT tires. Years 96, 97, 98, 99, and even 2000 all had them. That wasn't the only tires available in the size stock, but they did have them on the Tacoma trucks. Guess you are just plain wrong again.

    If Ford new about a problem and dismissed it, you can bet Toyota did too. Toyota let a head gasket problem go on for years and did nothing to rectify it from happening in future years. Told customers it was faulty gaskets when truth is it was head design that caused the problems. Yaaa Toyota! Way to go! Superior quality there!
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Tell you what. I'll openly admit that Tundra's are not 100% defect free the day you stop posting, for good, in all the Tundra topics.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Buddy the name of this topic is what?

    Tundra vs the Big 3

    Big 3 meaning (gm ford dodge)

    i can post all day in here or anywhere for a matter of fact.

    I have been doing thre majority of posting in here with all the tundra testimonials.

    Ryan
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    I say have some sympathy for Robbie. He thinks big 3 owners are bad mouthing his truck. But this is not the case. I am very impressed with the job Toyota has done cutting costs at every corner. They've saved in R&D, technology, raw materials, labor, and shipping. They utilized the T100 and Tacoma parts bin. Unless you are trying to change the oil, it's considered service friendly. There's a trained Midas brake shoe cobbler in every neighborhood. It's the cheapest made full size truck out there. And I'm proud of him. You go Skippy!
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Come on Kyle,
    Your buddy Jude/f150 swears that the faulty firestones were made in japan and that Tacoma's use the same exact tire as an f-150. How about you guys getting your "stories" straight, then posting!
    Ryan: I agree you do most of the posting here. All of it anti-Tundra.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    LOL! Your Silverado vibrates, Your mad about it, you've posted about your problem in the Silverado vib topic, yet your goal in life is to bad mouth someone elses choice of truck. Your obvious buyers remorse comes through loud and clear.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Anti tundra? Ok maybe i am anti tundra a little bit but my posts from other owners ARE EXACTLY THAT tundra owners so they are anti tundra too? Just giving facts about what other owners are going through if thats anti tundra so be it.

    I have not said blah blah blah the tundra is a piece of crap i just wanted to give the other spectrum of things.

    Ryan
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    There are far, far more tundra posts on the Tundrasolution that are positive. I guess you neglected that part of the "spectrum". So much for your claims of being semi-unbiased. You post on every Tundra topic, even "Tundra owners rate your truck". I have never seen or heard of Tundra owners posting on a Silverado topic explaining to them all about silverado defects. That would be rude and discurteous.
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    a Tundra IS a Tacoma!....

    and I don't think Quads Ado shakes...

    so robbie....how about them 3/4 and 1 ton Tundras?

    DOHH!

    - Tim
  • mgdvhmanmgdvhman Member Posts: 4,157
    there are farrr more non shaker ados than shakers...so if we have to apply your theory.....

    - Tim
  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    it was i who said that firestone is owned by the japanese. this only because you tried to pawn the defective tires off on gm and ford. firestone tires are made in the us, but owned by the japanese. hmmm...just like the tundra. funny how they're both defective, isn't it?

    the only "stories" posted here are the fictional anecdotes you like to make up and post - without anything factual backing you up. for example - the "main engine bearing" and "defective frames" that gm is producing. i mean, where do you get this stuff? do you have any kind of written proof that this mysterious frame deficiency (that only YOU have mentioned) is what causes vibrations in SOME gm products? if you do then that puts gm in front of toyota, cuz toyota still don't have a CLUE how to fix all their broke trucks! just ask the guy who went back SEVEN times. LOL!

    BTW - read up on tundra solutions - the ole tire balance/alignment ain't the problem...or the solution.

    kyle
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    On your comment"There are far, far more tundra posts on the Tundrasolution that are positive"

    The good always does outweigh the bad. You have taken all the negative stuff about the silverado this is why we have comeback with negative stuff about the tundra. You think there is not a thing positive about the silverado. There goes your hypocritical side again. Now you see how we felt as you posted nothing but negatives about the silverado how do you like it? YOU DONT. Well dont dish it out if you cant take some back.
    Ryan
  • werkingwerking Member Posts: 431
    sure there are positive testimonials about the tundras over there. i admit that. there are also positive testimonials about the silverado. check out the "Chevy Silverado" topics here. christ, i don't know what we're up to now, somewhere in the neighborhood of 13 or 14 sequels and i'd say that 99% of the posts in each are just guys swapping performance mod suggestions, etc. at approx. 700 posts per sequel, you're going to be looking long and hard to find more posts complaining of vibrations...

    kyle
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    I love my Silverado. And I think you should be
    happy with your truck too, even though it is a few
    inches smaller in most all of the important places.

    For peace of mind, you'll never have to worry
    about your rear disc brakes, locking diff, or
    Autotrack to let you down, unless you're
    unfortunate enough to need them. You have your
    emergency information posted on the refrigerator,
    right?
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Kyle,
    Capitalize "U.S."
    You rant and rave about patriotism and fail to capitalize the "United States". Shame on you!
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