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Also, I'd have to say it's the domestic guys with a chip on their shoulder. They post over and over again in all the Tundra topics, berating and insulting Tundra owners. When the Tundra owners finally strike back and verbally spank them, they make a big fuss about it.
Quality is like night and day with gm ford and toyota i know this but ALL DOMESTIC trucks arent bad. My mom just got rid of an 87 blazer with almost 150K mls on it and no problems. I had a 92 S-10 (dad is driving it to work now) and it currently has 90K+ mls on it and no problems. I have many relatives (grandpa, 2 uncles) who drive toyotas and they are have done their job. Go to any parking lot in America and count the number of trucks. Chevy will out number toyota, ford will outnumber toyota, dodge will outnumber toyota. Why i do not know. Obviously with this many trucks out there they have a little bit of quality.
I dont know where your getting this berating and insulting (other than a few posts) from.
Ryan
If you have gone 280,000 miles on a Toyota engine without major problems, my hat is off to you, because that is not at all normal either. In fact, I am surprised that your truck is not in the Toyota Hall of Fame. Most imports that go the same miles as an American v8 engine without problems are the ones that are never worked hard and mostly driven like cars. Americans buy American trucks to work them. Americans buy Toyota trucks for leisure and play, not work. If I never haul, tow, or work my F150, I have no doubt it will go over 300k miles. Also, if you did ever have to replace an engine or transmission or god forbid, anything electrical, it would cost more to repair or replace those parts than the whole truck is worth. Toyota parts are ungodly expensive and rarely are import parts rebuildable with any kind of longevity built in. I would guess a 78 year engine "would" be cheap, if you can even find one worth buying. I am guessing you replaced a 22R engine, which has notorious problems with head gaskets, valvetrain, among other things. I am glad you didn't experience any of those problems as you say. You must have really babied that truck it's whole life.
Most import dealerships won't even rebuild an import engine because they can't warranty the work. They would lose too much money if they did.
Maybe the Chevy guys would be more civil if you Toyota guys were not so arrogant about a truck that has no proof or history to be any more quality than GM trucks. If Toyota put out even a 3rd of the amount of trucks as GM does, your Toyota quality would be even more rediculously overrated. I have seen very similar problems reported on all trucks, including Toyota. What makes you so blind to think that the Tundra is any better? Less than 100k units on the road so far and still they show their share of problems, just like any other truck.
From what I see here on Edmunds so far, the Chevy guys only report facts about the Tundra's smaller size (seems to be the largest complaint), less options, higher price. That is not debateable. Those are simple facts of the matter. Tundra owners seem to get defensive about that, claim that the Chevy guys are bad talking the Tundra and then go off name calling and in my case, creating some kind of beef with me comparing me to some other guy that the Tundra owners must have had problems with.
No, I still think it is the Tundra owners that have the chips on their shoulders and who cause more arguements in these topics. The Tundra owners seem to commonly reply with remarks that American truck owners don't belong here. Well, I am sorry to remind you that this is a public borad and we have as much right to be here as you have to be in a Chevy or Ford topic.
I agree with this. The tundra has been out how long? Chevy has been making their truck (c/k, silverados) for many many yrs. (you can also throw ford in there). Year of being around proves reliability and dependability. That is pur FACT. You cant dispute that
Ryan
4 runner is 90% japanese 10% other places in the world.
American made from foreign parts.
Ryan
Toyota engines, especially the aluminum block engines (not sure if the Tundra is aluminum block or not), do not take rebuilds very well at all.
How much would it cost to replace that Tundra engine at today's prices? I know the Camry and Avalon engines are almost 7k to replace, not including labor. I would guess a Lexus engine would be even higher in price. A Chevy 5.3l engine at most any place, complete long block, would be right at 3k, not including labor.
A Ford 5.4l is less than that. The Dodge 360 is even cheaper yet.
I won't claim to know everything about the imports because I don't buy them, but I have lots of friends that do and I have lived these facts through them. I have no reason to make anything up. I am secure in my truck choice. I have never had any major problems with my Fords, but even still, if the transmission dropped out of it tomorrow, I still would not regret my choice. That could happen to any truck made, even Toyota.
I highly doubt anything like that will happen,but even if it does, the experiences I have had with Ford dealerships and Ford themselves makes me confident that I would be well taken care of.
Tundra owners want everyone to believe that they bought their trucks with less options, capabilities and higher price because they are proven to have higher quality. That is just plain wishful thinking.
Well Dan, you have come to the wrong place. Remember "Thou shalt not lie" Or are you off that religious kick already?
Tundra owners know the truth. You don't have the good sense to even post in the correct topic. Not surprising, you bought a Ford. You could have paid less and got more truck. Ouch!
What a laugh! Trying to convince people that you can't rebuild Toyota engines! This expert does not even know that the Tundra has an iron block. And he has never owned a Toyota - a real expert. And who does he have for backup - Chevy Shakerado owners. Hilarious!
The Tundra will out accelerate and outbrake any Ford F150. It has 4 inches more ground clearance, tighter turning radius, 5 year powertrain warranty, 32 valve DOHC Lexus derived engine, and a far more rigid frame.
Motor Trend did a comparison in their May '00 magazine. The Ford with 5.4L was compared against the Toyota Tundra, The Silverado with 5.3L and 4.1 gears, and the Dodge Ram with 5.9L. Toyota finished first - Ford finished last.
I feel sorry for you. The best thing you can do is dump that Ford quick and get a real truck - the Tundra. LOL
exhaust and a bumper guard. sorta reminded me of
the Daisy BB guns, you know the ones that are
made to look like a .45 pistol but only shoot
BB's. ha ha ha you guys and your pee-wee's crack
me up.
...red
more than my 5.3 chevy. hmmm makes you wonder
what toyota is trying to prove. more technology,
more buck, and a lot less truck. now they got
ABS, whoa.....there's some new technology for ya.
wonder what next years BB gun, i mean pickup, is
gonna look like.
...red
Ryan
Ryan
My facts remain still.
Yeah, you have a lot of credibility.....
By the way, what "did in" the first engine was electronics...faulty engine management computer retarded timing so far, the exhaust manifold glowed red hot, and it backfired through the intake. Started a fire on one occasion. Burned up hundreds $$$ of wiring and fuel injection components. Engine management computer was expensive also. Those items are NOT included in rebuilt engine price. They reuse all your accessories, injectors, intake manifold, computer, spark box.
So it happens, even on low mileage engines as that one was.
A couple of facts for you:
1978 Toy p/u 20R
Driven 380,000 grueling miles. Example: driven at high speed around motocross tracks for fun with 2 dirt bikes in the back. Driven consistently over rough 4WD roads (even though it was only a 2WD). Parts replaced: battery, tires, brake pads and shoes, water pump. All done by me at same cost as comparable domestic (blows that expensive part myth away). Engine replaced at 280,000 because of emissions(engine still ran great) Cost $300.00. No labor charge (I did it myself). Still have the truck, it runs great! Is 280,000 miles alot for a Toyota P/U engine? Of course not, it's only slightly above average. Average for a 20R-22R is 240,000 before requiring a rebuild. Yeah, lots of people drive them past that but start to burn oil. No one here with any comprehensive truck experience believes an average chevy will last that long without being rebuilt (eng and tranny). You'll get your savings account drained by all the other problems, anyway.
The Tundra V-8 has a longer history of excellent and reliable service than the ford 5.4 and chevy 5.3 put together, and that is a fact, like it or not! If your happy with that Mexican built ford, great! I'm very happy with my american built Tundra, with it's high quality Japenese manufactured drivetrain.
Ryan
My Ford was built in Norfolk, VA by American workers using American parts, by a Union that supports our American workers. You can't even "attempt" to slam with any kind of facts. Tundra may be assembled in the US, but with a majority of foreign parts, by lower wage earners (that should bring high quality), and most of the profits go back to Japan which hurts our US economy even further. Let's not even travel that road.
Your Toyota quality has no track record. All you have are the same stories of personal attestments that every other truck owner has to tell. I am not so naive that I don't see through the smoke screens. I read the same posts of Tundra problems that everyone else reads, here on Edmunds, and on several other boards as well and with only 100k or less Tundra's on the road, even half the amount I have seen is more on average than the American manufacturers.
Glad you have had a single experience outside the standard for Toyota. There are just as many of those experiences on the American truck side as well. But, hey, I am glad that helps you overlook the many downsides the Tundra has, which have been repeatedly, factually stated here, but ones which Tundra owners get defensive of because they know they are right.
Have fun in the desert. What branch are you serving?
Resale on any Full size truck has been extremely good. Trouble is, the Tundra doesn't fit into the full size market, either. I can see the resale of the first year Tundra's being a repeat of T100 history.
Your truck is faster than mine? If i wanted speed i would have gotten a car.
Speed and blue book value yea these are really "important" facts
Ryan
an attitude here that makes everyone here dispise you."
First of all it is spelled despise. Tsk. Tsk. Second: are you suddenly the spokesperson for this topic? You said "everyone". Hmm. A spokesman that doesn't own a Tundra, never owned a Toyota and therefore knows nothing about Tundra antilock brakes. Your ignorance is showing. Thirdly: Dan, you said that you despise me. That does not seem like a very Christian thing to say. What happened to turn the other cheek? Are all F150 owners hateful?
Now I know that you got stung on that F150 of yours. It must hurt knowing that not only Toyota but Chevy and DODGE rated higher than your wimpy truck. And to think - You could have bought a real truck - a Tundra. Just keep polishing that turd (or Ford) for us. It is good for a few laughs.
"Toyota quality has no track record." That is a laugh. Who won 2000 J.D. Powers award for initial quality in full size pickups. That's right - Tundra. And this is in its first year of production. Just keep posting your lies and misinformation. Maybe some other people as foolish as you will believe you, not Tundra owners. They know better.
Your constant whining and crying is getting old. Poor F150 - always being picked on. Why don't you try to act like a man for a change. If you had any cajones you would go to the Tundra vs. F150 topic. I guess that explains why you are staying here.
I am glad you are so naive and stupid to believe all the hype about Toyota quality. Actually we should be glad there are stupid people like you to buy less truck for more money. It keeps the real truck makers, ie. Ford, Chevy, and even Dodge, making higher quality trucks with options that American truck owners want, such as little things like real bed room, roomy interior, real engine choices, fuel economy even "close" to a Ford, tow capacities of 8,300 lbs or better, more than a Tacoma sized rear differential with a locker or ls, it keeps going....and going....and going......
You are the most clueless person I have ever encountered. Of course, why else would you buy a Tundra - less truck more money. You are a Toyota Salesmans best billboard advertisement. You will believe any bull they tell you.
I don't have to be a spokesman to read the posts here and notice that nobody here likes you. You must feel really good about yourself to be disliked by all those around you.
Silence now no more bickering let the toyota people be.
Ryan
"Toyota has low wage
workers - they are robots admitted dumber than
union folk"
I dont know how to comment on this. This comment just pissed me off so much.
Question what do you do for a living? Seriously i want an answer.
Next comment have you ever taken an econ class? EVERYTHING DEPRECIATES. Everything but LAND. buildings vehicles equipment.
Ryan