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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Caliber
Smaller than I thought, but I almost fit in the back. Not as roomy as the Matrix, but the driving position and dash is light years ahead of it! :shades:
DrFill
http://www.automfg.com/articles/020501.html
I wanted to pay no more than $500 over invoice but seems that may not fly since these things are just coming out.
I am looking at an fairly good loaded SXT with a sticker of around $19100 and a Invoice of about $17900.
I figure with the $500 Back I am shooting for another $500-600 Off That and pay about $18000.
Any body that has bought one get the dealers to budge off the MSRP at all?
Thanks,
Give an inch.....
DrFill
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
I'm confused.
There was a $500 rebate issued on a car at essentially the same time it hit the showroom? What's the point? Why not just put the MSRP at a realistic level?
Heck, why not just boost the MSRP another $2k and offer a $2500 rebate.....?
. Basically the internet price I was given for it was $263. under the MSRP and then the additional $500. cash back being offered thru March. I will not be ready to buy until June, but want to see if the Caliber should go on my short list.
IF you got the dealer to pay for tax,($1000) plus the $500 Rebate you did real good.
Starts under $14k.......under $20k loaded?
DrFill
I have no idea. From the reviews I've read, it appears to be a very good deal although I've not seen one in person to judge.
But if the price is reasonable, why offer a $500 rebate right out of the gate? Why play the game of setting the MSRP at 'x' and then immediately (before the car even goes on sale?) offer the rebate? What's the point?
I say just lower the price by that much. The strategy has worked for Scoin. All three of their cars are in short supply.
-juice
I'm sure DCX has figured out what level of rebates it hopes to have on the car in the long term - they are the only one of the big three doing okay right now, so I think they know how to run their business.
To hear a salesperson (drfill) complaining about rebates is ridiculous, IMO. That's what brings folks into the showroom... don't you like that? In my area (Detroit zone) all domestic dealers sell almost all their cars for invoice price less rebates or employee price less rebates, and they are staying open - its not impossible.
My only real "beef" with the new car sales industry is that they often act as if they are not making any money by selling cars at low prices. Maybe some salesmen truly believe this, but they all get paid every two weeks and they have huge marble-tiled dealerships. Maybe drfill wants the paycheck, the marble tile, and the full MSRP. This is not likely on a domestic, regardless of perceived quality. Two out of three isn't that bad...
Exactly. Thank you.
It lists the SXT figure to be 28/34 with the 2.0.
I liked the seats, they were supportive but I disliked the drum brakes. Come on, how much more would it cost Dodge to put disks in the rear.
No, Kia and Hyundai are offering rebates, lots of manufacturer's are, it's just part of the game. The MSRP and, even more, what your dealer will lower their price down to for you (after pulling several teeth, of course)are what's really important. It wouldn't make much difference to me if they just lowered the price of the rig off the MSRP to me, wouldn't bother me at all.
The Caliber's base price is competitive, let's start with that and build a monster out of it, yes?
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
The dealer gets packs, holdbacks, backend sales, accessories, service, all profit centers. Where can the salesman make money? On price over invoice, that's it!
75% of new car deals, the salesman gets a "flat", a $100 for doing the work of putting the deal together.
If you want to earn a $200 commission, sfter taxes, you have to sell the car at almost $1000 OVER INVOICE!
How many Ford, Dodge, and GM cars are going out at that transaction price? MAYBE 10%? Even Toyota couldn't get that above 1 out of 4.
My days and times selling online are growing short, my friends. There really is very little money in selling online.
DrFill
The Scion experiment in "no-haggling" required the dealer's employees to stay focused and keep the customers walking in happy with responsive answers to their questions.
I think that the Scion deal will continue working because the brand offers value and a quirkiness that people(myself included)like. But if you offer "no-haggle" offers you have to provide them with what they want when they want it and that is where I think Scion is falling short in a lot of buyer's cases. If people still like the car enough they'll put up with it, though.
So, the brand makes a big part of it. The car must present the buyer with value, styling, etc. Scion also falls short in the warranty department, too. Nobody beats Hyundai/Kia there.
This new Dodge Caliber will do well I think.
Meet and greet the customer and be up-front with them. Dodge is providing the goodies with the Caliber and marketing it real well IMO. I think sales of the Caliber will slowly build.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
I also suspect the Matrix SUV-like crossover styling may go over better in America than the Mazda3 five-door's styling.
What Mazda has done better is recognize that small car buyers may be willing to pay for luxury touches like navigation systems and automatic climate control. It took a long time for truck makers to offer luxury options. It shouldn't be such a stretch that buyers may want luxury in smaller packages.
The Mazda 3 is simply in the next size class down, at least for interior volume. It offers a refined compact, but neither its cargo or backseat make it competitive with the Caliber or HHR. A solo driver who rarely carries passengers or cargo might compare the Mazda 3 against the Caliber (say a tuner), but the average consumer will not. The Caliber and HHR both manage the trick of offering mid-size like interior space within a compact's body. The Caliber is also less expensive than the Mazda 3 making the 3's refinement relatively expensive.
I also suspect the Caliber SUV-like crossover styling may go over better in America than the Mazda3 five-door's styling. (The Vibe is the better styled of the Vibe/Matrix twins.)
What Mazda has done better is recognize that small car buyers may be willing to pay for luxury touches like navigation systems and automatic climate control. It took a long time for truck makers to offer luxury options. It shouldn't be such a stretch that buyers may want luxury in smaller packages.
Caliber sounds very promising, and I got email from local dealer saying 5 R/T's were in stock. But I'm holding back until the second 6 months at least....want to give dem Dodge boys time to squash the bugs the first cars off the line are sure to have.
Also for those IPOD afficiando's the standard single disc Cd player will accept an AUX input for to ipod....but the upgraded 6 disc ced player will not..i had the dealer credit me and put in the standard cd player ..as for me the IPOD AUX input jack is really cool esp with a normal 115 volt plug yto keep it powered all the time is right there below it..this is also standard on the SXT SPOrt allowing you to use computers or anything else that needs a normal electrical jack....hmm i wonder if this is the reason for the jolts...
My last new car did the same electric shock thing for the first few months and then it stopped doing it. I'm not really sure why, but it might have something to do with the brand new fabric creating more static electricity on you and your clothes when you get in and out.
Other than showcar folks, why on earth would anyone want wheels that huge on a relatively small car? They will probably make SRT-4 ride as if axles are welded to frame, and skitter like mad on bumpy turns!
For that matter, Are 19" wheels an option for the R/T?
Is comparison viable even though the Caliber is in a different price and market class?
http://www.truedelta.com/
http://www.caliberforums.com/forums/member.php?u=430
RTFM..........