Toyota Tundra and ABS Brakes

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  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    "Other than this, they are relativly unchanged for 2001."

    That is too bad. A lot of people were hoping to get more truck out of the Tundra in 2001.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    What would YOU like to see in your new 2001 Tundra?
  • dogsterdogster Member Posts: 94
    Sorry but all the equipment was on the T100 factory, port or dealer installed when I took delivery. I sold the T100 because I wanted the access doors since my wife had a child - and because I wanted an automatic instead of my 5 speed because I commute 18 miles, traffic light to traffic light. The guy who bought mine paid 20K because the dealers were getting MSRP + a $3-4,000 markup on the Tundras. Trade in on the T100 last week was $16,405 which means my T100 depreciated only $1,211/year. And since I worked for two years as a wholesale buyer I can assure you that Toyotas do hold resale value much better than their domestic counterparts because they last longer and have fewer problems, which is great for a dealer because no one wants to buy a car for resale and then have it go south.
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    I would like to see a stronger differential w/ls or locker, deeper and longer bed, more extended cab room (even my F150 extended cab is bigger), competitive horsepower and torque, gas mileage that compares to the Ford and GM, heavier parts like a gear or chain designed timing, heavier starter and alternators (may help the sluggish starts), bigger batteries or even dual batteries, higher quality seats (seats are thin and uncomfortable, no lumbar, etc), higher quality stereo options (stereos sound "tinny"), thicker sheetmetal (lifting the hood quickly displays just how thin the sheetmetal is). I could continue, but those were my biggest complaints when I purchased. The only thing that I like about the Tundra is that in "some" offroad conditions, ie, rock climbing, narrow trails, etc., the Tundra's wheelbase and narrower stance without modification, allows for better maneuverability. To me, that is not worth it's much higher price tag.

    But that is just me. If they build a true full size truck with full size options, and I stress options, such as more engines to choose from, heavier suspensions, etc. I would consider one. No matter what they build, it would have to be leap years ahead of Ford and have an equal or less price tag for me to buy. I don't see that happening for quite some time, if ever.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    The sheetmetal myth was long ago exposed as just that by simple measurement. It's no thinner or thicker than it's domestic counterparts. Sluggish starts? I've never heard of any. The Tundra does turn over a full revolution prior to ignition. This coats the cylinders with a fresh coat of oil and adds to engine longevity. I'm no audiophile, but the radio/CD sounds pretty decent to me and certainly no worse than other factory tunes. Gas mileage that compares to ford...no thanks. Popular mechanics rated the Tundra mileage as the best in their testing. Much higher price? Maybe when they were first introduced. You can get great deals on them now. Your last opinion betrays your deep ford loyalty. "it would have to be leap years ahead of Ford and have an equal or less price tag".
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    Well, that is ok. You obviously have "Toyota blinders" on. I guess your need of a truck is limited to light hauling and short trips where comfort is of no concern. For this limited use, the Tundra is great truck if you don't mind paying Toyota dollars for it.

    Best of luck with your Tundra.
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    By the way, remember, you ASKED me what I wanted to see on the Tundra in 2001. It seems when someone points out what most "truck owners" see as obvious things needed on a truck, Tundra owners get defensive. Maybe that is because the Tundra doesn't deliver enough of the full size capabilities and options to make it competitive with the full size trucks.

    I don't have a problem buying a Toyota, but they better deliver a comparable truck at a comparable price. The Toyota Quality myth doesn't squeeze enough oranges to make a dixie cup of orange juice. I am not that naive.
  • ratboy3ratboy3 Member Posts: 324
    I gotta know the official measurement of a full size truck! I feel like I have been cheated! haha!
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Look at a chevy, ford, dodge. Thats your measurement.

    Also truck trend even admits (oh my god they admitted it finally someone realized this) that the tundra is a smaller truck than that ofthe F-150, silverado, and dodge ram.

    Ryan
  • ratboy3ratboy3 Member Posts: 324
    That's official? Damn Toyota got me fooled!
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    that's twice that Toyota's fooled ya. Care to go for three?

    Hey where did dbhull go to? Rwellbaum, if you're reading this, try and read f150rules post again. The writing style looks all too familiar including his user profile....

    Dean
  • ratboy3ratboy3 Member Posts: 324
    I might just for for 3. I'm thinking of buying my girl a Celica.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Buy her an echo. it will fit in the bed of your truck very nicely. The echo even comes with fender flares

    Ryan
  • rdve80rdve80 Member Posts: 139
    Can you provide technical info on how a single 360 degree revolution at very low speed(i.e. near zero oil pressure) puts fresh oil on the cylinder walls before ignition. All EIGHT cylinders in a single revolution no less. I think BS
  • ratboy3ratboy3 Member Posts: 324
    Those cars are hideous! String me up a tree if you must because I'm a Toyota buyer but I have to say I've seen prettier cars drawn by kindergarten kids than those eck-ohs!
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    "Hey where did dbhull go to? Rwellbaum, if you're
    reading this, try and read f150rules post again.
    The writing style looks all too familiar including
    his user profile...."

    Sorry but I don't know who dbhull is. You aren't still sore about the pinging Silverado's topic are you?

    And your point is with this post.......
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    Is that what this topic is about? Didn't think you noticed the topic by the contents of your posts. Pinging Silverado topics...sore...nope don't have that problem...

    My point with the previous post....hmmm...let me give that one some thought...I admit though, the writing similarities are very close between dbhull and you. Almost as if....you appeared the same time he disappeared. Do you drink Bud Light by any chance?
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    No B.S. on the oil coating. You don't need oil pressure, just one pass of the piston will draw up a thin, but vital, film of oil. Whenever I've rebuilt a GM engine, I always turned it over several times with the coil wire off to coat the walls prior to combustion. This is especially true on tight tolerance aircraft engines. Most books on the subject of rebuilding also suggest the same.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Looks very suspicios, just too many coincidences like: (1) former chevy owner BLD turns into dbhull and becomes a Ford lover. (2) dbhull gets the boot after his new "religious experience" wears off and he starts ranting and raving again. (3) Ford f150 shows up after dbhull's edmunds expulsion and makes a bee-line for the Tundra topics. Good catch!
  • quadrunner500quadrunner500 Member Posts: 2,721
    Translation....Toyota built it, I own it, so hard starting is better!

    Seriously, I think what you are trying to say is that you need to prime the oil pump before starting a rebuilt engine. This is done with a separately driven priming pump (sometimes with an electric drill) before the engine is started.

    At least judging by the oil pressure gauge, the Chevy builds more oil pressure much faster at idle, and doesn't need the hard starting. It is properly lubricated from the get-go.
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    So what is your beef? I respond to your request of telling you what I want to see changed on the Tundra and now you have some kind of problem with me.

    In reading some of the other posts here, it seems that you have a problem with many others here simply because they don't share your same opinion.
    Not everyone will buy a Tundra on an implied quality reputation when it lacks so many options that other trucks less expensive share.

    Sorry you feel as you do, but that seems pretty shallow.

    I still have no idea who dbhull is and I really don't care.
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    Oh, also forgot to mention, I have never owned and would never own a Chevy truck. I will never consider any truck but Ford until I have reason to look at something different. All the Ford's I have owned have been the best! Some of my family are primarily GM owners and are always bitter and complaining of all the problems with their vehicle and moreso of the lack of customer service getting things fixed. Would have no problem buying a Toyota if it provided capability and value over the Fords I have bought. Just aint seen that yet.
  • rdve80rdve80 Member Posts: 139
    I agree 100% with priming a new, rebuilt or stored engine, but I'm afraid I don't see piston travel sucking fresh oil from the wrist pin to the cylinder wall. It takes oil pressure from the pump and multiple revs of the crank to do that. If you are talking about the rings gathering existing oil from the cylinder wall and not being lost out the exhaust port, then I don't think ignition at 1/3 revolution or at 1 full revolution makes much difference.
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    I don't understand what will oil pistons before start by cranking the engine. I always thought that this was the most critical and highest wearing point on an engine. How can a Tundra be different?
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Not sure why your translating a designed ignition delay into hard start. The Tundra takes about a half second longer to fire up. The oil lubrication on start up is accomplished by coating the cylinder wall with existing oil on the rings prior to the introducion of fuel and spark, not oil provided by the oil pump. When an engine immediately fires up, scorching and wear can occur reducing engine life. Come on Quad, you already know this stuff, these are engine 101 fundamentals.
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Looks like we have a winner! Does this sound familiar..."I don't know anything about this zbad or bud light dude and I'm not him".
    Alas, DB's writing style has become all too familiar.
  • obyoneobyone Member Posts: 7,841
    yep, not too many around who can expound like dbhull. The denial is all too familiar. But really, time will tell on this one...
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    Ignorance is bliss I guess. If you both are happy believing I am this bdhull guy, who am I to ruin your fun. Only thing that bothers me is that I don't know if being bdhull is a good or bad thing.

    "But really, time will tell on this one....."

    rwellbaum2 why are you ignoring my last post and question. You asked me my opinion about the Tundra so I gave it. Now because you didn't like my opinion, you have some sort of problem with me. Are you that narrow and shallow minded to think everyone has to have the same opinion as you?
    Could it be the same blinders you wear about the Tundra?
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    "could it be the same blinders you wear about the Tundra" That's classic DB. If you aren't DB, you could be a ghostwriter for him. BTW, I have no problem with you, whoever you might be. Disagreeing with your "opinion" doesn't mean I don't value your input. If I had negative things to say about your F-150, I'm sure you'd attempt to persaude me otherwise.
  • ratboy3ratboy3 Member Posts: 324
    I'm sure there is at least one good thing about the Tundra even if it is the worst truck there is according to some people.
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    Never said it was not a good truck. I simply stated it did not have the truck options that I look for in a truck and it costs too much money. Never said it was terrible. I just dont think there is a justifiable reason to buy one over a Ford F150 when the F150 gives you more truck and for the same or less money.

    rwellbaum2: I welcome your opinion about the F150 without predjudice. I like my truck and dont care what people say bad about it. You say you have no problem with me, but as soon as I disagree with your liking of the Tundra you label me to be some guy that I can only guess was not liked here and then you avoid further discussion of the subject. You post such as this- "That's classic DB. If you aren't DB, you could be a ghostwriter for him."

    I still would like to know what makes me labeled as this other person and why he or she is not allowed to post here anymore.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Ignore the DB references if its not you which it seems obvious it isnt then forget about it. Its like when someone knows your weakness (keeps refering to you as DB) you get all out of whack. Relax man just state your opinions. Nothin is better than anything else. Well except that my silverado is better than all of your guys trucks (HAHAHA IM JOKING So dont take that the wrong way i was just adding some humor)

    Ryan
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    This is a Tundra ABS topic. If you want to spout how superior your F150 is to a Tundra - Why don't you go to the F150 vs. Tundra forum? Don't you think that topic would be a more appropriate place to display your naivete?

    It seems that some big3 truck owners are insecure about their purchases and feel the need to go to Tundra topics to convince Tundra owners that they made the best choice. Tundra owners know differently.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    He never said his F150 was superior. Maybe you should read and comprehend the posts. He was just giving his "OPINION" on why he chose the ford over the tundra and why the tundra wasnt the best truck for him. Any 3rd grader could read his posts and understand what he was talking about.

    Ryan
  • tp4unctp4unc Member Posts: 437
    That same 3rd grader should be able to read the title of this topic. Just a thought
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    I take it as an affirmation of my pickup choice to have domestic guys so upset. If the Tundra was inferior to their vehicles, why would they feel compelled to post in topics clearly labeled for the Tundra? I love my Tundra and have no desire to own a ford or chevy. If I did I'd probably post in those topics.
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    No insecurity here. Sorry you feel the need to get hateful. Are all Tundra owners so hateful?

    As for the topic of discussion, I believe it was rwellbaum2 who asked me of my opinion about the Tundra that started my discussion in here. Sorry if the Tundra owners don't like my opinion, but I feel I have the right to state it regardless.

    Don't necessarily think my truck is "superior", just better for me and what I buy a truck for. I stated my reasons fairly and legitimately. I don't think I "spouted" anything that a growm man could not handle. I will try to be more sensitive in my posts within the Tundra topics. It seems to be very easy to cause disruption if you a guy is not praising every facet of the Toyota Tundra.

    Ryan: Thanks for a little bit of civility. I still have not gotten a response to my posted question to rwellbaum2. I guess the silence confirms my first impression. Insecurity? Not here in Ford land.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    I've taken a scientific survey and Yes, all Tundra owners are hateful. Now get your butt out of this topic, Bozo. Maybe Rwell didn't answer your question because it was off topic.

    Go to the Tundra vs. F150 topic and I will be glad to discuss the relative merits of both trucks. And don't cry any puddles of tears or quote verses from the Bible on your way over.
    As Bugs Bunny would say "What a maroon!"
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    You deserve the Toyota Tundra. Both you and the truck lack depth, personality, and deameanor.

    I wish you the best of luck with your Tundra. With your attitude, it is obvious to be the only thing that likes you back.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    DB - I mean F150. You posted

    "The Toyota Quality myth doesn't squeeze
    enough oranges to make a dixie cup of orange juice."

    "I guess your need of a truck is
    limited to light hauling and short trips where
    comfort is of no concern. For this limited use,
    the Tundra is great truck if you don't mind paying
    Toyota dollars for it."

    "That is too bad. A lot of people were hoping to
    get more truck out of the Tundra in 2001."

    Now - I understand with your multiple personalities that you might consider these comments OK to post in a Tundra topic, but I think that it is very discourteous at best.

    And don't hide behind "its just my opinion". Everything posted here is an opinion. I don't go over to Silverado topics posting "my opinion" about what a meager truck they are. Now run along to the Tundra vs. F150 topic.
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    ????? Yea alright. Meager in what way? I wanna hear this one. Its gotta be a good one.

    Also why do you keep telling him to go to the F150 vs Toyota topic whats the difference if he posts in here or there????? This has got to be a good answer too

    Ryan

    I HEARBY DECLARE THIS TOPIC A NEW NAME:

    TOYOTA AND ALL OTHER TRUCKS & ABS
  • ratboy3ratboy3 Member Posts: 324
    shoot! I didn't think I was hateful. I thought my best friends drove a Blazer and an F150. I'm gonna have to stop talking to them now?!
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    Nah, I don't know anyone who drives a Tundra, but plenty that drive a Tacoma. We always give each other a bad time about our trucks. I guess some "insecure" people place their self worth in their trucks and take things too personally.

    No need to give up your friends because they don't drive a Tundra. They havn't tossed you aside because you don't drive a Ford or Chevy or Dodge. Everyone makes mistakes (just kidding). I sure don't base my friends upon what kind of vehicle they drive or what they wear or where they live, etc., but it is obvious from an above post that some people are so shallow that they do.
  • redsilveradoredsilverado Member Posts: 1,000
    what exactly is your problem? all i see is your
    name calling and total ignorance of the questions
    that are asked of you. you never really answer
    anyone except maybe to call them a BOZO or
    something. get real dude. i've asked you
    questions in the past and so have others, so far
    all i've seen is your childlike responses or no
    response at all. you are the one that needs to be
    tossed outa here. please either grow up and talk
    to us or dry up.

    ...red

    p.s. sorry guys for being off topic.
  • bamatundrabamatundra Member Posts: 1,583
    I will answer any question that has to do with Tundras and ABS brakes. If I have not answered any direct questions it is most likely because it is off topic. If you have any other questions, post them in the appropriate topic and I will respond to them.

    I am sorry for my lack of civility with F150 but as I said, I consider it extremely discourteous to post the type remarks that he has in a Tundra forum. I have told him that I would discuss things in a more appropriate forum, but it is like trying to have a discussion with a brick.

    Alright Red, here is your chance - what is your question?
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    What a crock. Thats a sorry excuse
  • rwellbaum2rwellbaum2 Member Posts: 1,006
    Sorry,
    Haven't been able to post in a few days. Been busy keeping saddam at bay so ryan et al will continue to get their gas. Good job calling these guys out. They post way, way off the topic, then when called on it, declare that the topic has a new name. It's obvious that while their trucks are down for repair, they search edmunds to find and post their slanted opinions in Tundra topics. Why? Big time buyers remorse. They bought-off on the gimmicks/promises and were left with vibrating/launch shuddering silverado's and f-150 door cracks/piston slap. Now, they try their best to rain on our parade, instead of being happy for us. That kind of attitude is very small minded!
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    Truck down for repair? Nope hasnt been in the shop since i had it in for bodywork (someone dented and scratched the rear end) which took 3 days to fix and repaint.

    Buyers remorse? Nope none. I love my truck.

    Why do you think each and every one of us has problems with our trucks? Its not true. If we didnt come in here this place would have been frozen already. We keep it going. Your taking things to serious lighten up this should be entertainment also.

    Ryan
  • ryanbabryanbab Member Posts: 7,240
    You should be included then for thinking "EVERY" silverado, F-150, or ram has problems.

    Wrong try again

    Ryan
  • f150rulesf150rules Member Posts: 195
    Have never had a major problem with any F150 truck (Several new, Several used) or Ranger (one) I have owned.
    The most major "problem" I ever had was on a used truck I bought. After about 100k miles, I kept getting a service engine soon light come on. I changed out the O2 sensors myself and resolved the problem. I have had a couple of trucks I went over 175k miles with and had no major problems with.

    You can fool yourself if you want, but you bought a higher priced nameplate and that is it. You didn't buy any more quality of a truck and one with quite a few less options and capabilities. Only benefit I see a Tundra possibly having is in some off road circumstances where a smaller size would be of benefit. If that is important to you, fine, but don't try and make yourself feel better about it by saying bad things about the Ford and Chevy trucks. Ford and Chevy have a much longer history of making real working trucks than Toyota and will for as long as I will be alive.

    After all, look around the topics here and even at ToyotaSolutions.Com, there are plenty of problems reported with the Tundra and there are about 1/10 the amount of Tundras on the road as other makes of truck. I see just as many problems reported on the Tundra with less than 100k units on the road!

    You still have not addressed my question as to why you have such a chip on your shoulder and why you started problems with me, saying I am someone else on this board that you obviously couldn't get along with either. Why does it seem you have problems with everyone here that doesn't hold the same opinions as you, especially when you asked for the opinion in the first place? I think your comments are very hypocritical.
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