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Ryan
Ryan
DOHHH!
- Tim
rant against is the nasty tendency you and many
others have to include personal put downs
(everyone can spell ideology by now!)."
"This drivel -- I mean now some of you (you know who you are!) are giving serious, point-by-point responses to sarcasm!?! If that doesn't scream out "YOU NEED A LIFE!!!"
then...."
Timothy - You seem to have a lot of energy about this issue, yet you continue to read and post to this topic. I think that it should be obvious by now that I was being sarcastic when I posted about "ideology".
Are you "giving serious, point-by-point responses to sarcasm!?!" Are you in need of a Life?
quality and reliability as a Toyota. Never have
and never will."
...and you say I'M wearing blinders?
"You have posted numerous times about your perfect truck - can you spell "hypocrite"?
...in fact, i can. and it's nice to know that we've finally gotten through to you. it's unfortunate that we have to go the extent of appearing to be hypocrites to do so. the whole point of declaring the silverado "perfect" because I'VE had no problems was to eliminate your contention that since YOU'VE not experienced it with your tundra, that it can't be possible (reference warped rotors). that was the only response you had to that challenge. we simply have been working diligently at showing you these flaws are not rumors or isolated occurrences.
"I have posted several different highly regarded sources (J.D. Powers and Consumer Reports are two) which back up my statements. The source for these ratings are the results of surveys filled out by owners of these trucks...These sources post failure rates. This is independent of how many vehicles are sold."
...i agree with "rates". however "initial quality" (jd powers) has very little to do with failure rates. how can you expect consumer reports to be able to reflect any semblance of accurate data when the first model year of tundra JUST CLOSED? is it fair to say that, because the '99 'rado posted bad numbers in consumer reports that you can blindly stumble into a toyota dealer and purchase a tundra? makes no sense at all. if you're going to rely on CR, why not wait until CR has had the chance to evaluate tundra for a year (as it did with the silverado)?
lastly, i'd still like to hear why it is you think tundras brakes are SO much better than chevy. granted 6 feet is 6 feet, but in your opinion, is that really "MUCH stronger"? and if so, why did toyota do away with rear drums on their SC Tundra?
bco
note: i hope you will notice i did not reply-in-kind to any of your personal attacks. i hope we can move past that BS now...
As far as minivans go, I can't see why something built on a car chassis and as tall as an SUV is not a rollover hazard.
Course you could opt to spend $40k on a fancied up Astro van with TV and video games.
Peter
You are just as opinionated as other people on this thread are. Toyotas are great trucks but GM trucks (as well as Ford and Dodge) are the trucks that do the work in America. These trucks are on the farm, construction sites, plowing roads, bringing your kids to school. They are tested like no Toyota in consumer hands. I can tell you that the engine and transmission are as good as or better than Toyotas. GM automatic transmissions are in everything from BMWs, to Rolls Royces, to Hummers. The GM small black V-8 is legendary. Toyota wanted to use it in the Tundra but GM would not sell it to them. I think you are miss leading your self to think that Toyota is the best. I would much rather have a GM truck under very severe conditions after the warranty expires. Try fixing that Tundra after accidentally driving through a situation that caused water damage, it will cost you more than a new truck. I would bet the Lexus engine alone cost 3 times more to replace. I have a flawless 2000 Chevy Silverado. I also have a not so flawless 1999 Chevy Blazer. I do agree that Toyota has higher initial quality but the price is not the same.
Toyotas cost more with the same options. Toyotas cost more to fix. Toyotas cost more to maintain. Toyota is the ONLY major manufacture NOT to have 100,000-mile tune-ups. If someone buys a truck for the short haul a Toyota maybe a better deal. Keep that truck for ten years and put it to work and you have a completely different story. End of story.
Ryanbab: Late 80's. It has to be cheap enough to offset any repairs and the poor gas mileage i'll get. Do they come with a third row of seats?
If you go the minivan route, I would stick to the Sienna or Odyssey. I don't think they can be beat for reliability and safety.
possible 2 out of 3 cars wil be GM eh?..
maybe there is hope for you after all?.....nahhh
LOL
- Tim
if the family route ever came my way...I'd get a burb...slap a lid on the ado...or something ....mini-van would have to come with the surgery....that's for sure...
(Sorry Steve!)
- Tim
An ex/crew cab would hold a family...but there is no place for all the stuff!...(unless a lid is on...even then....too hard to get stuff in front.)
so unless you wanna shell out the bucks for a burb...a mini van is it man.....the new version of the good old station wagon..
sometimes I think it's dumb to pay $1000 a month for 2 cars.....especially when one is $600...but hey...can't take it all with ya!
...(although I'm gona try and take some!)
- Tim
'00 Denali $600
Gas $400
Insurance $160
Man, looks like closer to $1750 to me....
wouldn't trade it for a truckload of Toyota's, nissans or dodges, now there's a clunker!!lol!!
They should spend some of that fancy ad money on improved transmissions.
Rwell i know in this guys burb at work he had an um 87 or 88 it had the 3rd row seating. It had the upscale "silverado" trim. Dont get a minivan there are options better than that. Just look around dont rush into anything
Ryan
....no kids..make good money....why not?
both with gas/insurance probably are that amount too..
who cares......live it when yer young...not old...
- Tim
Soon you will have the minivan though TIM face it. hehe
Ryan
- Tim
Ryan
- Tim
Dean
It was a 9x7 garage door (3 boxes not much weight). I was going to the mall the other day and it pulled out of home depot.
Ryan
Ryan
I was responding to obyone who says everything GM makes is from mexico.
26k no problems on my Chevy, and I'll take on toyotas da runt anytime..
makes is from mexico."
Obyone never said any such thing. You are sounding like BCO - make things up as you go.
GM owners confusing Mexico with the U.S.A. Mexico
is a foreign country, Indiana is a State in our
Union. I realize your living in the past, when
Chevy, Ford and Dodge were actually made in
America by Americans. Dodge is no longer U.S.
owned. The Germans own that one now. GM sent the
bulk of their work (engines, trannies, suspension,
etc)to Mexico, with electronics made in places like
vietnam. Same with ford and dodge. Best keep them
corporate blinders on, the truth be blindin' you
quick now!
Your tundra is also built here but if you look at the componenet breakdown 90% is foreign. I know alot of parts on the silverado are foreign but its nowhere near 90%
Ryan
Dean
In the grand scheme of things, it's good to know something works. Problem is, they still have cheap brakes, warping discs, out of round drums, steering wheel flutter when you step on the brakes, vibrating seats, chipping paint, hard starting, transmission clunks.....ie all the things that make it just another truck.
If Toyota could have made it as perfect as you guys would like us to think, I'd have to consider one. But the reality of its many imperfections, makes it abundantly clear I need not fret over small trucks again. My next one is going to be a Silverado heavy duty, with Allison 5 speed automatic transmission, and duramax diesel with 100,000 mile warranty. (You know you want one!)