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Well, I guess the public that doesn't own a phone with bluetooth sees no reason, but it IS EXACTLY why I have a Lexus rather than a Cadillac at this time. I'm glad the transmission is a 6 speed and coil on plug has finally found its way into the GM engineering world. I do like them, I repeat.
Does anyone have any pictures of the OEM trailer hitch package for the outlook they can share?
I want to be able to connect one of those bike racks that inserts into the hitch assembly.
Anyone know if the assembly included with the outlook or is that part of the trailering package? For my part, really don't plan using the hitch for anything else.
bike rack works great but you need to take it off to open the hatch unless you use an extension on the rack. but then it sticks out quite aways.
I think the only aspect of technology GM's behind in is bluetooth. And GM will crack and offer that soon.If that was the only reaon you bought your Lexus over a Cadillac, you must have had a strict criteria. What Lexus and which Caddy, by the way?
For 2009, Bluetooth will be there (optional/standard depending on Lambda model trim lelvel), as well as XM live traffic, cooled seats in addition to heat (again, optional), and also an interior design change to incorporate the new "integrated" center stacks. Basically, compared to now with one pod and separate radio & HVAC units, the center stack will be all one flowing piece that's not broken up. This is a design change going across GM, and will be changed in several vehicles for '09.
The other very notable change is ALL 2009 Lambda vehicles will have the Direct Injection 3.6L that started life this year as the upgrade CTS and STS engine. It makes more power but also puts out less emissions and can be more efficient, so in it comes. Should be an interesting change, and we'll know facts & figures on it in the Lambdas when the new Chevrolet Traverse (the vehicle were all the 2009 details known have come from...because GM already put it on the DealerWorld system), is shown shortly.
How is this in relation to the black tie?
No '09's in dealerworld. Must have taken it out?
I do have a steep grade for about 1/2 mile 2-3times a day to get out of the valley I'm in - and am concerned that combined with traffic/lights I'm going to be buying another gas hog. Don't know that the downhill drive back compensates for the effort of the uphill on the mpg :-) Feedback from owners (in hilly areas) ?
I seenow that the '05 was rated for 17, you get 14.5. Therefore that hill is killing your mileage but that kinda split is not unusual for the old epa ratings.
Current Pilot gets 16 epa city so you are still behind on that one. So my guess would be you get 15 or so city with the Enclave. I know we are doing about 16 city or so but that is flat land. This is a FWD.
and most likely what goes up must go down the hill on the way home!!
It's a pretty expensive car to pay $3+ /gallon @ 14mpg. May as well keep the gas sucking noisy Honda until the Abandon Vehicle light comes on. My husband sure would be happy about saving that money over the style and panache of the Enclave.
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That is why the EPA came up with standardized testing. The only way to get a good handle on what can be expected from a car is to compare what you get on your current vehicle relative to the epa numbers and then take the delta from your car/experience and apply it to the epa of the car you are interested in. However be sure to use either the pre 08 epa numbers or the '08 numbers.
That is the only way. Other than to borrow the car and drive it yourself for aweek.
Enclave is noticably quieter than the Acadia. We drove the Acadia for 3 months and then drove the Enclave. Quieter.
Get the Enclave over MDX. Seems like much more room in the Enclave. Will the 3 kids sit in the 2nd row together? I guess the dog can sit in the 3rd row with the 13 year old!
That is wonderful MPG for this big of a vehicle!!! wow. Rendezvous, which is much smaller is getting 16.3 in true city driving and it is so much smaller.
If you're looking to tote 3 kids and a 90 lb. dog...don't expect much luggage room. I have an Outlook with 3 kids (13, 11 and 6 mos). With the car seat taking up one captain's chair, a child in the other and one in the back seat...you might be able to get a few suitcases in the back with one side of the 3rd row folded down, but that's about it. You will definitely need to use the roof rack or maybe some sort of cargo carrier that attaches to the tow hitch (if not a small trailer).
Guess everybody has their own tastes, that's why they make so many different cars!!
Yes, they are nice looking cars, but I could not deal with the aftermath of a rear end crash on my family knowing that I had the chance to buy a safer car for the same amount of money.
Very true but there are few other vehicles out there that can do better for carrying capacity. Perhaps the Suburban, and the minivans. The Lamdas are as big as it gets.
With the Lambdas,
Of course not. That is why there is a huge selection of vehicles available from everyone. The Lamda is the perfect vehicle for us. It replaces my mid size SUV Envoy and it can meet most of the needs of rplacing the Suburban.
If you want something smaller you can get a Vue or Equinox.
With the Lambdas, the best option is to utilize the roof rack and get one of those cargo crates, and maybe even get one of those tow hitch platforms that can accomodate a cargo crate as well. If not...a small trailer would come in handy.
Exterior storage is not the best way to go when traveling with a lambdas, as it would cut down tremendously on the good gas mileage. That's the great thing about these lambdas. They have more room inside than anything else in the class. A family of five should haave plenty of room for a long trip with luggage INSIDE.
Not if the back seat is used. There is not enough room behind the rear seat for luggage for 5. So you need to have at least one seat in the rear folded to have room for everything. So if you have 3 kids and a big dog you are tight! Of course that is true for pretty much any vehicle except a minivan.
It's obvious you don't have a family of five to understand. A good portion of the luggage can go inside, but using something on the exterior would ensure everyone's comfort on the inside. Using a rooftop cago crate would cut down on your gas mileage, however...using one the attaches to the tow hitch...you really won't notice a dip in fuel economy. Also, you made a statement about "...cutting down tremendously on the good gas mileage." I can only assume you made that statement tongue-in-cheek. The gas mileage on the Lambdas is hardly good...below average at best. Which is the only complaint I have about the Lambda at all.
However it would still be better than the second row of any other Crossover SUV out there except maybe the CX-9 which I'm not real familiar with. Pilot is narrower and shorter. Highlander is even smaller. MPG is similar on all of them, with the Pilot being EPA rated 2mpg less than the Lambdas.
Adding any weight to any vehical will hurt mpg. On top will be significantly worse than the back.
The way I can pack the luggage would be cool...the baby's bag can go in front of the seat where her car seat is. Stuff for the other girls would most likely fit behind the 3rd row and luggage for mommy and daddy MIGHT fit on the folded down side of the 3rd row seat. The probelm comes in with the need for the stroller, walker/bouncer and other such items. We're also not even talking about the other stuff that might come along as well. So if it were just straight up luggage...it could most likely be done.
I can attest that the Tahoe/Yukon has similar problems. My next door neighbor has a Yukon with 3rd row seats. When the seat is up...there is next to NO room behind it at all...maybe for a few bags of groceries.
Adding weight will hurt the FE, certainly, but not as much as having something on the roof that would also create more wind resistance while travelling. In all honesty, the best solution may just be a small travel trailer. I think that's what I'll ultimately be doing myself.
roof carrier I take on extended trips. Costs maybe 1MPG.
We're leaning heavily towards the Acadia. Wonder if the
hard shell will fit?
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I know the roof is sturdy though, I carried a 16 ft. fiberglass A-frame ladder (very heavy) and had no problem with the roof caving in or anything.
As for the powered/unpowered issue. My wife and I really felt the car was underpowered, and the vehicle was always searching for the right gear on hills...downshifting, upshifting back right away, then downshifting again. Took the car in for its first service and had a software flash for the transmission and transfer case. WHAT A DIFFERENCE! The throttle response and apparent torque on acceleration feels SO MUCH crisper. Maybe its psychosomatic, but its like its a whole different drivetrain.
No you are feeling something completely different with the new cals. The vehicle has lots of power now. Hopefully the 3.6 will get the DI treatment and make 300 hp with little decrease in MPG.