Again, just because a car has moon roof doesn't mean you can't fit in it compared to another that doesn't. Unless you have strong dislike for moonroof for another reason, there is no need to dismiss anything without trying first.
Let me make this clear (for the last time, I hope) I have not, in 20 years, fit comfortably in a car with a sunroof. I will therefore not buy one with a sunroof.
Well as someone pointed out, the Accord with the sunroof has MORE headroom than a Camary without a sunroof.
You stated earlier that a Camary without a sunroof is acceptable to you:
This will keep me out of the new Accord, I can get a Camry or Avalon V6 without a sunroof.
So this illustrates you are just being completely illogical about this by choosing a car with LESS headroom if that is of concern to you.
As a confirmed lover of sun/moonroofs who wouldn't want a car without one, I hereby throw my complete support to texases who clearly does not want one.
Since my lack of interest in a sunroof seems exciting, I've got some time, so here goes:
Reasons not to get a sunroof Cost Headroom (edit, someone said something to the effect 'don't knock it if you haven't tried it' - which is currently impossible with the Accord. I can only go on my trying out about 10 cars/year for 20 years) Weight Loss in body rigidity Mechanism that can break/bind (look at the latest blogs on the SRX and the Edge) Glass that can shatter (look it up, it's a problem on a number of vehicles, including several from venerated Japan) Potential water leakage Sunlight = heat (once it's in, it's in) Sunlight = UV = cancer risk (yes, bald head)
You may, in your opinion, not have any problem with any of these, but I do.
Actually you cannot buy an LE with JBL in some regions (maybe all). I know it's listed as an option, but try to find one, they aren't manufacturing them that way and they don't do one-off special orders. Toyota lists a lot of options "possibilities" that don't exist in reality. So you will need to get an XLE or maybe an SE to get a 4 cylinder Camry with the JBL stereo.
You have obviously made up your mind on this, and I can respect that. I was only saying that in 17 years of owning Accords with moonroofs (that sat in the harsh weather of the south all day every day) without one single problem, I learned to like them, and thought maybe you would too. I guess not huh?
"... the Accord with the sunroof has MORE headroom than a Camry without a sunroof...This will keep me out of the new Accord, I can get a Camry or Avalon V6 without a sunroof."
I have an '07 Accord SE without a sunroof, and it of course has even more headroom than the Accord with a sunroof - which has more headroom than Camry and Avalon. If the point is you want a V6, the '07 (and maybe the '08 as well) SE V6 does not have a sunroof.
I guess the people who want to save gas don't drive in the fog or have garages or have different size people in the passenger seat. Honda still doesn't get it. Some of us want the economy and also want the convenience.
I don't know if you can single out Honda as not "getting it." Granted the EX-L V6 has more features than the EX-L 4cyl, however, I don't know of a car that gets at least 21/31 mileage and has more features than the 4 cyl EX-L. For example, is leather even offered on the 4cyl versions of the Camary or Altima?
The entire auto industry has the mindset that when you add options, features and luxury, you have to also add hp and reduce gas mileage. It's not just a Honda issue.
I think Honda is actually getting it more than anyone else. They're pushing forward the idea of good gas economy with upgraded features. The 2008 Civics will be offered with leather for the first time. Plus who else offers a non-hybrid V6 that has 19/29 mileage like the new Accord V6?
The oldest car I have had (and still driving it) is my 1998 Accord, ten years and 179K miles. Leak you say? Not a squeak rattle. It ain't no Saturn.
That's great but I know guy who had a lemon Accord and man on man that put him off of Honda forever. You see most Hondas aren't lemons but if you get a bad one well you'll be put off. Your roof doesn't leak, ok, but just my own opinion which is worth as much as any one else's. I just don't want a hole in the roof. I think it should be an option. For me that would work. But to force it on customers as well as the price isn't worth it. I might tolerate it on a diesel as there are no choices for diesel out there but I crossed the Accord off my list for now. I will agree that sunroofs today are light-years better than way back but I still don't want one. So possibly Mazda will get my money this time. Toyota doesn't have a manual in their V6. I'd prefer a diesel but the Accord is getting mighty big. For certain it will not fit in my garage. That I could live with but not the moonroof requirement, no V6 in the sedan etc.. Honda will sell a lot of the new Accords it's a great looking car in either Coupe or Sedan, but they need to balance out the trim levels.
So this illustrates you are just being completely illogical about this by choosing a car with LESS headroom if that is of concern to you.
From my perspective texases has every right to not want a moonroof in his car. I hate them myself and cars are not always about logic. I can name a boatload of cars that shouldn't have ever been made if you merely used logic. Cars are about passion even Honda. So none of us should have to explain why we do or don't like something. Every get a sunburn from one. I did many years ago. That sucked! Oh it had no sliding cover either so it was full on all the time. Lots of reasons why they aren't for some people. besides why do you need a window in your roof?! :confuse: You have 4 windows in a sedan isn't that enough? Perhaps you need a convertible?
Reasons not to get a sunroof Cost Headroom (edit, someone said something to the effect don't knock it if you haven't tried it' - which is currently impossible with the Accord. I can only go on my trying out about 10 cars/year for 20 years) Weight Loss in body rigidity Mechanism that can break/bind (look at the latest blogs on the SRX and the Edge) Glass that can shatter (look it up, it's a problem on a number of vehicles, including several from venerated Japan) Potential water leakage Sunlight = heat (once it's in, it's in) Sunlight = UV = cancer risk (yes, bald head)
All good reasons, you've got my vote against sunroofs as well.
Good point. I've been driving hondas since 1981 and they probably get it better than others. It's actually my decision whether to choose the v-6 and get a few convenience options or get the slightly better gas mileage.
A strange factor is that the current civic has no difference in headroom between sun roof and non sunroof equipt cars. At "only" 5 foot 11, I find sunroof equipt accord 7th generation lacking in headroom. Non sunroof I like the 2-3 inches headroom clearance. My only gripe is that in my sedan I have the seat reclined quite a bit and seem to rub my back and/or shoulders against the B pillar when exiting the car. The B pillar also interferes with my vision and feeling of spaciousness. For this reason alone I wish I had gotten the coupe. Anyone else get annoyed by this? I hope the new model has a longer front door opening.
Sunroofs/moonroofs (what's the difference?)are cool. It adds a tiny bit of cool factor to any otherwise uncool car. Besides convertibles, any car that does not have a hole on its roof is a little less cool because of not having it.
I can think of many practical reasons why to get it.
1. Escape route - Let's say you got into an accident and your doors and windows are somehow jammed...viola! squeeze through the sunroof (provided, of course, that you fit through it..perfect for children) I would think this would work quite well if you drove off into a lake or something.
2. Sky vision - Let's say you're driving through beautiful scenery (mountains, skyscraper downtown areas) and your passengers have never been to the place and are in awe of the place. If your'e right next to a sky scraper, it would be damn near impossible to behold its highest floors from inside a car...unless of course if you have sunroof.
3. Access point - Let's say you're carrying something on top of your car (bike, mattress, canoe) and felt like something is loose up there. Without the sunroof, you'd have to get out of the car to check it out. With a sunroof, you could probably have an easier time checking the rope knots and all that. Talking about securing things, a sunroof also offers another hole to slip the rope in and out to tightly secure the object.
4. "not in your face" air - You need fresh air, but don't want the accompanying current smacking your face or your passengers in the back....opening the sunroof is a good alternative.
Well, i'm sure there are a lot more of these practicality examples..but yeah..I'm not getting an Accord without the sunroof.
Standard on the LX models, will this give us a better option between leather and cloth. What does Moquette seat inserts mean? This might be quite nice. It would be nice to have well designed cloth seats, like other cars. I really like cloth, because its cozy. Leather is nice as well.
Cloth interior with moquette seat inserts and tricot side bolsters.
MP3/WMA & aux-in Standard!! WOW! its about time! Blue tooth with the navi!!
Its good their adding standard features for their line up, as opposed to putting it for sale as accessories! Which most of them were. EX-L Navi, is LOADED!!
You're right, nothing new for the EX, but last year you could still get a low-line V6 without the sunroof. This will keep me out of the new Accord, I can get a Camry or Avalon V6 without a sunroof.
Are you using your vehile to plow fields? Why is the V6 a requirement? A 4 cylinder with stick is more efficient and is just as fast in 95% of everyday driving.
Besides, the V6 sedan does not come with stick any more. So, don't go about saying about your need for sportiness and performance. :shades:
4 cylider LX is readily available without the sunroof.
As to the sun entering the vehicle, the UV and other made up excuses - All sunroovs have a shade that completly covers the glass in case you did not want the sun shining on your head.
It's a grand slam! We've got yes vs. no sunroof, we've got manual vs. auto, we've got 4 vs. V6, we've got (by inference) 2 vs. 4 door! Clear them bases! Any way to work in navi vs. compass?
Reasons not to get a sunroof Cost Headroom (edit, someone said something to the effect 'don't knock it if you haven't tried it' - which is currently impossible with the Accord. I can only go on my trying out about 10 cars/year for 20 years) Weight Loss in body rigidity Mechanism that can break/bind (look at the latest blogs on the SRX and the Edge) Glass that can shatter (look it up, it's a problem on a number of vehicles, including several from venerated Japan) Potential water leakage Sunlight = heat (once it's in, it's in) Sunlight = UV = cancer risk (yes, bald head)
You may, in your opinion, not have any problem with any of these, but I do.
Some of your concerns I would agree with, as in cost and headroom. The latter can’t be figured out unless one tries. The former is the only big reason to get or to not get one. It is a luxury item, not a necessity, so it is better served only in higher trims. I don’t put much weight on weight which amounts to about 0.5% of the total weight.
Now the other reasons you mention don’t make sense to me at all. If you are concerned about mechanisms, would you rather have manually cranked windows, mirrors, seats, locks, or is somehow moon roof is the only one with an issue? A moon roof is nothing but another window on the car, offering similar risk to “shattered glass” or leakage as the others surrounding you. Or, are you looking for a car without any glass on it, to protect against sunlight and UV?
Like I said, I can understand cost and may be headroom as valid reasons, but rigidity makes for another poor excuse. When engineers incorporate things like a moon roof, they also reinforce the body to compensate for it. Are you sure luxury cars, where moon roof is a guarantee, lack the rigidity of economy cars without moon roof? Do you think Civic Si has inferior chassis (rigidity) than Civic DX? Are you saying that an Avalon w/o moon roof has a more rigid chassis than an Accord with one? How did you figure that out?
I want my cars to have leather and moon roof. Unless raining or snowing, there isn’t a single day when I haven’t put moon roof in my cars to use. But at the same time, I criticized Honda for making moon roof standard in LXV6. It is better for Honda to offer a cheaper car to people who want basic features instead of loading up the cars and adding to the price. The company should take a step back and re-consider trims. I preferred the simpler DX/LX/EX/LXV6/EXV6 designation of the past, where each trim was easy to comprehend. Its getting trickier now.
But the big question is... do you want a sunroof or not? And if not, please send your essay outlining bulletproof reasoning to us (Edmunds HQ address is fine), typed on a 3x5 postcard.
I was kinda hoping to wake up this morning to a whole new conversation but nope, we're still on the sunroof thing. Almost has me longing for the auto v manual smackdown
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After my initial positive impression of the car and reading some points brought up about the size/weight issues with the new Accord, it starting to also leave me slightly disappointed with Honda. I've always had the image that Honda was innovative and steps ahead of the competition in terms of efficiency with a well built car and silky smooth engines that get the most bang for the buck. But, after reviewing the numbers again and seeing some other posts, i can't help but agree that they lacked that innovation here. My current accord is plenty big and has more than enough room in all aspects. It's a shame that they threw more weight and size on a car for which that wasn't necessary. They had a good shot at producing a terrific V6 car with lots of power and even a fuel economy over 30MPGs, but dropped the ball. The efficiency increase is really what i thought was going to make this accord stand out, but I guess I was wrong...they basically made it what the current TL is to the current Accord - 20HP stronger, but heavier, which = same performance and less MPG. (not knocking the TL one bit because it's a terrific car, but peformance wise, it's the same as the 244HP accord)
Only if they come with an auto transmission package
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Just a few thoughts on the topic then I'm done. I've had Hondas and Mazdas with sunroofs and without. The main reason why I don't have much of a preference anymore is because in most cars they are positioned such that you have to look almost straight up, or really far right, to be able to see out of them. When sitting in the drivers seat and driving normally, the opening wasn't anywhere in my peripheral vision.
I dislike most converibles I have driven for this same reason; even with the top down, I still see mostly windshield (a Jeep Wrangler is the one glorious exception to this, and the only convertible I've ever driven that felt really "open").
I mean, sunroof or not, how often during your daily commute do you even see the roof in your car? (Unless your seat is farther back than the B-pillar). Plus, the sunroof lets in so much less air than the windows do, even if they are only partly open.
Some of use moonroof for more than just seeing things. For that matter, while on my way to work, I wasn't exactly planning on sun-gazing thru the opening. Sometimes putting it on tilt (and always, when parking in the sun) helps bring in fresh air and let the heat out. When moonroof is open, it provides for an airy atmosphere as well that goes beyond stargazing (and I won't recommend it while driving), although I did use my car's moonroof to catch a glimpse of a few meteors last week instead of sitting outside and serving the mosquitoes a free meal. Or, sharing seating space with a scorpion or two.
because only middle aged men who are anal about midsize grocery getters get bent out of shape over crap like this.
actually, i don't really agree with what i just typed, but it sure as hell was fun to say! (lets see how many people will respond to that part of this post, WITHOUT reading the fact it was a joke! )
at anyrate, here is:
The final word on sunroof's.
like ex features but don't want a sunroof?
hello! the new lx/lx-p is for you! its equipped just like the 07 se, but with more goodies!
wait....whats that?
awwww, you don't like 177hp? :mad:
oh you poor baby you! heaven forbid it have more power and efficiency than the k24 it replaces in the beloved SE that you claim honda should have kept around, even for the 08 model year!
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come on guys, we can't have EVERYTHING. you gotta pay for it sometimes, thats part of life, and a concept not limited to honda's trim levels and what is offered on them.
and the uv rays/ cancer thing? that was hilarious!
has any anti-sunroof person, ever actually SIT in a car that has one, only to discover THE COVER that you can slide over the glass, thus negating the penetration of sun? Come ON people!
the chassis rigidity thing was totaly neglible too. I swear, we got some whiners on this forum!
1. Escape route - Let's say you got into an accident and your doors and windows are somehow jammed...viola! squeeze through the sunroof (provided, of course, that you fit through it..perfect for children) I would think this would work quite well if you drove off into a lake or something.
Ok you may like sunroofs, but I'm calling you on this one. Mythbusters put all this stuff to rest in an Ep I just watched last week. So this theory is completely busted something you'd have to do to your sunroof while underwater.
Buy a sunroof, but don't think of it as an escape hatch Also if you go shiny side down you might end up having a big bald patch on your head from your head scraping the ground. :P
And I was wondering why Columbus couldn't get to India.
I thought it was Magellan who was trying to find the West Indies and found the Philippines instead. Bringing Christianity and Catholicism here as well as being killed by Lapu-Lapu whom he ticked off. Lapu Lapu is a big hero in the Philippines. Odd when you consider this is a fairly catholic country. Killing the messenger I guess. Magellan needed a Navi system. I still think it's a waste to put a compass on car equipped with navigation. What was Honda thinking?
"has any anti-sunroof person, ever actually SIT in a car that has one, only to discover THE COVER that you can slide over the glass, thus negating the penetration of sun? "
Rendering the value of a sunroof..hmm, let's see...zero, it seems.
I know...must...step...away...from...keyboard.........
Now that I think about it, Columbus had too much to deal with. First there was this convertible that offered him no protection from the Sun. He did not have the luxury of a 6-speed manual transmission, just one-speed and no power steering to boot. So, he may have decided to take only left turns for a while. His vehicle probably didn't have enough billboards either, and lack of sponsorship isn't good. Or perhaps, it was his compass getting “lost” in the Bermuda Triangle. It may not be a good idea to have compass with NAV after all. One getting lost might affect the other! Good idea to keep them separate. But then, my TL has compass IN the NAV... but I'm not planning to take it to the Bermuda Triangle, so I should be fine.
After going in circles, Columbus finally declared himself victorious after smashing into a new land, having discovered India, and met a few “Indians”. That was his ultimate goal after all and probably got plenty of spices for souvenirs. The western route got him somewhere.
His buddy Vasco Da Gama did reach India and met “Indians” six years later, but via an eastern route. I wonder if NASCAR could use a compass, so they can also avoid going in circles with left-turns only. After all, I doubt there is a major land mass yet to be discovered on this planet now. At least not until the polar ice melts. But that makes for a discussion in global warming thread...
His buddy Vasco Da Gama did reach India and met “Indians” six years later, but via an eastern route. Or, may be, Columbus’ compass got “caught” in the Bermuda Triangle. I wonder if NASCAR could use a compass, so they can also avoid left-turns only.
There was a lot more hope for those early pioneer sailors than there is for NASCAR drivers being able to make right turns.
Me I watch WRC but gave up on F1 which has gotten boring. WRC is never boring. :shades:
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My favorite feature?
You can drive anywhere (not caring where you are going - as I recently followed someone into a rural part of Alabama looking for a Church). I needed to leave before they did, but all I had to do was push "HOME" and it took me there!
To me, these are worth every cent of the $279 mine cost (gives verbal directions ex: "Exit right, then bear left...etc... through its two speakers). It also has a trip computer, and 5 million points of interest programmed into it.
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Well as someone pointed out, the Accord with the sunroof has MORE headroom than a Camary without a sunroof.
You stated earlier that a Camary without a sunroof is acceptable to you:
This will keep me out of the new Accord, I can get a Camry or Avalon V6 without a sunroof.
So this illustrates you are just being completely illogical about this by choosing a car with LESS headroom if that is of concern to you.
Reasons not to get a sunroof
Cost
Headroom (edit, someone said something to the effect 'don't knock it if you haven't tried it' - which is currently impossible with the Accord. I can only go on my trying out about 10 cars/year for 20 years)
Weight
Loss in body rigidity
Mechanism that can break/bind (look at the latest blogs on the SRX and the Edge)
Glass that can shatter (look it up, it's a problem on a number of vehicles, including several from venerated Japan)
Potential water leakage
Sunlight = heat (once it's in, it's in)
Sunlight = UV = cancer risk (yes, bald head)
You may, in your opinion, not have any problem with any of these, but I do.
ps - thanks tallman, I appreciate it!
Toyota lists a lot of options "possibilities" that don't exist in reality.
So you will need to get an XLE or maybe an SE to get a 4 cylinder Camry with the JBL stereo.
lx plus alloys, power driver seat, security system, chrome exhaust.
Seems like a good upgrade for those who do not want a sunroof.
http://automobiles.honda.com/news/press-releases-article.aspx?Article=4103
I have an '07 Accord SE without a sunroof, and it of course has even more headroom than the Accord with a sunroof - which has more headroom than Camry and Avalon. If the point is you want a V6, the '07 (and maybe the '08 as well) SE V6 does not have a sunroof.
I'm sure I'll regret stepping into this.
Some of us want the economy and also want the convenience.
I don't know if you can single out Honda as not "getting it." Granted the EX-L V6 has more features than the EX-L 4cyl, however, I don't know of a car that gets at least 21/31 mileage and has more features than the 4 cyl EX-L. For example, is leather even offered on the 4cyl versions of the Camary or Altima?
The entire auto industry has the mindset that when you add options, features and luxury, you have to also add hp and reduce gas mileage. It's not just a Honda issue.
I think Honda is actually getting it more than anyone else. They're pushing forward the idea of good gas economy with upgraded features. The 2008 Civics will be offered with leather for the first time. Plus who else offers a non-hybrid V6 that has 19/29 mileage like the new Accord V6?
Yes, on both.
That's great but I know guy who had a lemon Accord and man on man that put him off of Honda forever. You see most Hondas aren't lemons but if you get a bad one well you'll be put off. Your roof doesn't leak, ok, but just my own opinion which is worth as much as any one else's. I just don't want a hole in the roof. I think it should be an option. For me that would work. But to force it on customers as well as the price isn't worth it.
I might tolerate it on a diesel as there are no choices for diesel out there but I crossed the Accord off my list for now. I will agree that sunroofs today are light-years better than way back but I still don't want one.
So possibly Mazda will get my money this time. Toyota doesn't have a manual in their V6.
I'd prefer a diesel but the Accord is getting mighty big. For certain it will not fit in my garage. That I could live with but not the moonroof requirement, no V6 in the sedan etc..
Honda will sell a lot of the new Accords it's a great looking car in either Coupe or Sedan, but they need to balance out the trim levels.
Wow that could save a fortune on getting a Nav system. :P
Sorry couldn't resist.
From my perspective texases has every right to not want a moonroof in his car. I hate them myself and cars are not always about logic. I can name a boatload of cars that shouldn't have ever been made if you merely used logic.
Cars are about passion even Honda. So none of us should have to explain why we do or don't like something.
Every get a sunburn from one. I did many years ago. That sucked! Oh it had no sliding cover either so it was full on all the time.
Lots of reasons why they aren't for some people. besides why do you need a window in your roof?! :confuse:
You have 4 windows in a sedan isn't that enough?
Perhaps you need a convertible?
Cost
Headroom (edit, someone said something to the effect don't knock it if you haven't tried it' - which is currently impossible with the Accord. I can only go on my trying out about 10 cars/year for 20 years)
Weight
Loss in body rigidity
Mechanism that can break/bind (look at the latest blogs on the SRX and the Edge)
Glass that can shatter (look it up, it's a problem on a number of vehicles, including several from venerated Japan)
Potential water leakage
Sunlight = heat (once it's in, it's in)
Sunlight = UV = cancer risk (yes, bald head)
All good reasons, you've got my vote against sunroofs as well.
Old Mike
Loss in body rigidity
Nice try. It's negligible.
The TL without Navi does NOT have a compass.
Navi systems are for dummies, give me a compass any day and I will be there before you are.
I can think of many practical reasons why to get it.
1. Escape route - Let's say you got into an accident and your doors and windows are somehow jammed...viola! squeeze through the sunroof (provided, of course, that you fit through it..perfect for children) I would think this would work quite well if you drove off into a lake or something.
2. Sky vision - Let's say you're driving through beautiful scenery (mountains, skyscraper downtown areas) and your passengers have never been to the place and are in awe of the place. If your'e right next to a sky scraper, it would be damn near impossible to behold its highest floors from inside a car...unless of course if you have sunroof.
3. Access point - Let's say you're carrying something on top of your car (bike, mattress, canoe) and felt like something is loose up there. Without the sunroof, you'd have to get out of the car to check it out. With a sunroof, you could probably have an easier time checking the rope knots and all that. Talking about securing things, a sunroof also offers another hole to slip the rope in and out to tightly secure the object.
4. "not in your face" air - You need fresh air, but don't want the accompanying current smacking your face or your passengers in the back....opening the sunroof is a good alternative.
Well, i'm sure there are a lot more of these practicality examples..but yeah..I'm not getting an Accord without the sunroof.
Let's say you need to find the nearest movie theatre in a city you've never been to before. The Navi > asking people around and guessing.
And I was wondering why Columbus couldn't get to India.
I love it!
Cloth interior with moquette seat inserts and tricot side bolsters.
MP3/WMA & aux-in Standard!! WOW! its about time!
Blue tooth with the navi!!
Its good their adding standard features for their line up, as opposed to putting it for sale as accessories! Which most of them were. EX-L Navi, is LOADED!!
Are you using your vehile to plow fields? Why is the V6 a requirement? A 4 cylinder with stick is more efficient and is just as fast in 95% of everyday driving.
Besides, the V6 sedan does not come with stick any more. So, don't go about saying about your need for sportiness and performance. :shades:
4 cylider LX is readily available without the sunroof.
As to the sun entering the vehicle, the UV and other made up excuses - All sunroovs have a shade that completly covers the glass in case you did not want the sun shining on your head.
It is displayed on the screen above the radio info.
Old Mike
Then you need stick to really enjoy the vehicle's full capability. :shades:
Cost
Headroom (edit, someone said something to the effect 'don't knock it if you haven't tried it' - which is currently impossible with the Accord. I can only go on my trying out about 10 cars/year for 20 years)
Weight
Loss in body rigidity
Mechanism that can break/bind (look at the latest blogs on the SRX and the Edge)
Glass that can shatter (look it up, it's a problem on a number of vehicles, including several from venerated Japan)
Potential water leakage
Sunlight = heat (once it's in, it's in)
Sunlight = UV = cancer risk (yes, bald head)
You may, in your opinion, not have any problem with any of these, but I do.
Some of your concerns I would agree with, as in cost and headroom. The latter can’t be figured out unless one tries. The former is the only big reason to get or to not get one. It is a luxury item, not a necessity, so it is better served only in higher trims. I don’t put much weight on weight which amounts to about 0.5% of the total weight.
Now the other reasons you mention don’t make sense to me at all. If you are concerned about mechanisms, would you rather have manually cranked windows, mirrors, seats, locks, or is somehow moon roof is the only one with an issue? A moon roof is nothing but another window on the car, offering similar risk to “shattered glass” or leakage as the others surrounding you. Or, are you looking for a car without any glass on it, to protect against sunlight and UV?
Like I said, I can understand cost and may be headroom as valid reasons, but rigidity makes for another poor excuse. When engineers incorporate things like a moon roof, they also reinforce the body to compensate for it. Are you sure luxury cars, where moon roof is a guarantee, lack the rigidity of economy cars without moon roof? Do you think Civic Si has inferior chassis (rigidity) than Civic DX? Are you saying that an Avalon w/o moon roof has a more rigid chassis than an Accord with one? How did you figure that out?
I want my cars to have leather and moon roof. Unless raining or snowing, there isn’t a single day when I haven’t put moon roof in my cars to use. But at the same time, I criticized Honda for making moon roof standard in LXV6. It is better for Honda to offer a cheaper car to people who want basic features instead of loading up the cars and adding to the price. The company should take a step back and re-consider trims. I preferred the simpler DX/LX/EX/LXV6/EXV6 designation of the past, where each trim was easy to comprehend. Its getting trickier now.
Then we're in perfect agreement. There are many great reasons for people to get a sunroof, just not me.
I was kinda hoping to wake up this morning to a whole new conversation but nope, we're still on the sunroof thing. Almost has me longing for the auto v manual smackdown
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I've always had the image that Honda was innovative and steps ahead of the competition in terms of efficiency with a well built car and silky smooth engines that get the most bang for the buck. But, after reviewing the numbers again and seeing some other posts, i can't help but agree that they lacked that innovation here. My current accord is plenty big and has more than enough room in all aspects. It's a shame that they threw more weight and size on a car for which that wasn't necessary. They had a good shot at producing a terrific V6 car with lots of power and even a fuel economy over 30MPGs, but dropped the ball. The efficiency increase is really what i thought was going to make this accord stand out, but I guess I was wrong...they basically made it what the current TL is to the current Accord - 20HP stronger, but heavier, which = same performance and less MPG. (not knocking the TL one bit because it's a terrific car, but peformance wise, it's the same as the 244HP accord)
...oh yeah...sunroofs rock!
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I dislike most converibles I have driven for this same reason; even with the top down, I still see mostly windshield (a Jeep Wrangler is the one glorious exception to this, and the only convertible I've ever driven that felt really "open").
I mean, sunroof or not, how often during your daily commute do you even see the roof in your car? (Unless your seat is farther back than the B-pillar). Plus, the sunroof lets in so much less air than the windows do, even if they are only partly open.
I prefer moonroof to a convertible top.
actually, i don't really agree with what i just typed, but it sure as hell was fun to say! (lets see how many people will respond to that part of this post, WITHOUT reading the fact it was a joke!
at anyrate, here is:
The final word on sunroof's.
like ex features but don't want a sunroof?
hello! the new lx/lx-p is for you! its equipped just like the 07 se, but with more goodies!
wait....whats that?
awwww, you don't like 177hp? :mad:
oh you poor baby you! heaven forbid it have more power and efficiency than the k24 it replaces in the beloved SE that you claim honda should have kept around, even for the 08 model year!
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come on guys, we can't have EVERYTHING. you gotta pay for it sometimes, thats part of life, and a concept not limited to honda's trim levels and what is offered on them.
and the uv rays/ cancer thing? that was hilarious!
has any anti-sunroof person, ever actually SIT in a car that has one, only to discover THE COVER that you can slide over the glass, thus negating the penetration of sun? Come ON people!
the chassis rigidity thing was totaly neglible too. I swear, we got some whiners on this forum!
Ok you may like sunroofs, but I'm calling you on this one. Mythbusters put all this stuff to rest in an Ep I just watched last week. So this theory is completely busted something you'd have to do to your sunroof while underwater.
Buy a sunroof, but don't think of it as an escape hatch
Also if you go shiny side down you might end up having a big bald patch on your head from your head scraping the ground. :P
Just say No to sunroofs. :shades:
I thought it was Magellan who was trying to find the West Indies and found the Philippines instead. Bringing Christianity and Catholicism here as well as being killed by Lapu-Lapu whom he ticked off. Lapu Lapu is a big hero in the Philippines. Odd when you consider this is a fairly catholic country. Killing the messenger I guess. Magellan needed a Navi system.
I still think it's a waste to put a compass on car equipped with navigation. What was Honda thinking?
Not as funny as using it as an escape hatch if your car goes underwater tho. :P
Rendering the value of a sunroof..hmm, let's see...zero, it seems.
I know...must...step...away...from...keyboard.........
After going in circles, Columbus finally declared himself victorious after smashing into a new land, having discovered India, and met a few “Indians”. That was his ultimate goal after all and probably got plenty of spices for souvenirs. The western route got him somewhere.
His buddy Vasco Da Gama did reach India and met “Indians” six years later, but via an eastern route. I wonder if NASCAR could use a compass, so they can also avoid going in circles with left-turns only. After all, I doubt there is a major land mass yet to be discovered on this planet now. At least not until the polar ice melts. But that makes for a discussion in global warming thread...
There was a lot more hope for those early pioneer sailors than there is for NASCAR drivers being able to make right turns.
Me I watch WRC but gave up on F1 which has gotten boring.
WRC is never boring. :shades:
Just before my folks moved to Oklahoma, they gave me a Garmin StreetPilot for Christmas. You don't realize how handy that thing comes in! There's no wondering if you are going the wrong way or not, it'll tell you!
My favorite feature?
You can drive anywhere (not caring where you are going - as I recently followed someone into a rural part of Alabama looking for a Church). I needed to leave before they did, but all I had to do was push "HOME" and it took me there!
To me, these are worth every cent of the $279 mine cost (gives verbal directions ex: "Exit right, then bear left...etc... through its two speakers). It also has a trip computer, and 5 million points of interest programmed into it.