MSRP of $38500 with the added tons of accessories. Please take photograph of the vehicle from all angles. And Dont forget to ask them that you want to buy the same vehicle and you need the price for that. Post your experience on this forum. Thanks.
As to the EX-L I4 w/ NAVI at the dealer near me, the front and rear of the new Accord look bold with angles and high lights. Head lights curve outwards like big fish's eyes, look agressive. One customer said the front & rear look like BMW. It's roomier inside with lot of knobs and buttons and 8" NAVI on top. It's interesting. Looking at asking price of $33K+ for the EX-L I4 I wanted to kick those salesmen' greedy butts.
Your Observation about the EX-L I4 Nav. is interesting & preety good. We were discussing about the Above Vehicle EX-L V6 no nav. with MSRP of $38500.00 (W/Tons of options). Thanks
I believe in the past there has been about a 10% mark-up on Accords. In other words, an Accord like that one you are interested in, which would have a list price of about $29,000, would have a margin of about $2900 for the dealer. In order for the dealer to stay in business, of course, they have to pay employees, pay for electricity, rent on the land, the building itself, etc., and so I'm not sure you can really say that $2900 is all "profit" since some of it needs to go necessary expenses before a profit is ever recorded. The invoice on the model you're interested is probably about $26+k or so. But your odds of getting it close to that price for the first few months are probably very low. You'll probably be lucky to get $1000 off of the list price.
I went to the dealer yesterday and had a look at the new Accord EX-L. The interior finish is cheap, especailly the leather quality -- plastic like (no improvement from the old handa cars). The MRSP is between $28,000 and 31,000.
It seems to me foolish to spend so much money to buy this car instead of an Acrua TL ($2500 below invoice = $29,000 or so with everything and high quaility of leather and interior finish) or A base model Luxus ES350 (You can get it around $31000 after $1000 rebate).
I like Honda cars (I have a LX Accord) but the overall interior quailty and finish are poor, compared to Toyato, which made me walk away from MDX (plastic like leather) to get a RX350 a year ago.
How much more it will cost if they use high quality leather which I think will lure more people to buy it?
Excuse my ignorance but after seeing the new commercial I noticed the one model was a coupe. HOW LONG has the Honda Accord been available in a 2-door format?
They certainly do have the price on the sticker. But when you ask they will add the Over the MSRP charges on it.
uh...duh? :confuse:
if they added 'a ton' of accesories (which are never really cheap, even if the model is not a new one like the accord) the car WILL be more expensive. Msrp only covers whats standard, not accesories.
I priced an ex coupe on honda.com the other day, full on with 19 inch rims, and a full body kit, and it was not cheap by any means.
but that doesn't bring into question the orginal msrp, i know that was.
That interesting article also stated "Compared to the first Accord in 1976, the 2008 sedan’s wheelbase is 16.5 inches longer, the width has increased by 8.9 inches, and the overall length has increased by 31.3 inches."
Yechhhh. Almost a yard longer... into near-Buick territory.
Regardless of how nice this car is, spending close to $40K would just be stupid...and I consider that fact! I know that the TL's are due for their change in another year, but it's still a couple steps above the new accord, so spending a couple thousand MORE for an Accord than a TL is just sad. I'm an Accord owner, so I'm not biased against them by any means. I liked the TL's at the time I bought my Accord but the price difference didn't justify the benefits. With these new prices, though, I would really like to hear from some of the first suckers that spend $34-$38K on an Accord and see what their rationale was for choosing that over a TL.
You guys say that like the first Accord was already big in 1976. As 6'4" guy with multiple BIG friends (6'4" 330, 6'3" 250, 6'4" 220, one is a bodybuilder so he's WIDE too), a full size car wouldn't be a problem to me. The Civic is much too small. With good handling, similar power-to-weight, and mileage that is the same or better, I think it's a good thing (I know I"m in the minority).
With it's longer length, the new generation Accord's trunk is smaller than the previous generation. This is exactly the same as the Camry - the new generation's trunk is smaller as well. Longer car, but less trunk space . . .
Not sure where people are getting the sky high pricing of 35K, 40K. In perusing Honda's just-released pricing, MSRP ranges from 20360 to 30510, plus 635 dest charge. Honda claims the new pricing averages 600 higher than 07 but that they added 1400 in value from new equipment. This is MSRP and everyone knows street pricing will erode from there, given time. IMO this is home run territory, again, for a car with this content and reputation.
does anyone know what the interface dial on ex and above models mean.is it something wwhich lets u scroll through the playlist while listening a song on mp3 cds?
Trunk size has not changed, although, Honda follows VDA method globally to measure it, which doesn't help add small nooks. I don't know which standard others follow (EPA standard takes into account every small space).
Accord's length has largely gone into increasing the cabin volume, up from 103 cu ft to 106 cu ft. Trunk size was 14 cu ft (last two generations) and so it is now.
Another trend that is being followed lately (and Honda hasn't done that with this Accord) is not having bumpers. Look at Camry, 300 etc. Their grill is actually the bumper, to go with a stubby face that drops like a cliff. If you hit something with those cars, you're actually letting the grill handle it. Its the new styling fad.
Accord still has a bumper and still has an angle around its grill... there are 2-3 inches of additional length, right there. As you can see, Accord has bumper upfront and a larger bumper in the back. That adds to the length, without contributing to the interior size.
Had Honda made the Accord as stubby (and bumper-less) as Camry, it would be 2-4 inch shorter. I would rather have a sleeker style and some bumper protection.
We are long time Honda owners and currently have an 03 Accord EX-V6 and an 04 Acura TL. This week I drove a new 08 Accord EX V6 4Dr with NAVI. It is a fine car but does not jump right out and say buy me. Both our Honda products have great performance without that variable cylinder management which Honda calls VCM. I read that the Accord Coupe does NOT have VCM and that might make me look at that model. Both our present cars get better mileage than the 19-28 or so listed for the new Accord.
The fit and finish is excellent as it always is with Honda and the ride and handling are also very good. But for now, I did not see anything to make me trade one of our present models. The Accord gets Bluetooth for your phone, but only with NAVI, and it does not have the driver's seat memory settings of the TL. It does, however, require only regular gas, one of the deficiencies of the TL.
We were also saddened that they made it bigger as we feel the present size is just right for us, but know others will not agree. We are not large people and all the children are grown up and not living at home.
Another fine product from Honda of America, built right here in Ohio. BTW, the sticker with NAVI was $30,000, still $8,000 less than the TL.
Once prices cool down and 2007 TL's stop having a $2,500 dealer incentive, then the difference would definitely in favor of the Accord by several thousand. But, right now a 2007 navi-TL MSRP is $36,700, which I'm sure could be had for around $32K-$33K depending on the market. At that price, that's right there with an '08 Accord with some mark-up and a couple of minor accessories...not that I've researched the '08 prices; I'm just basing it on what others are reporting on here.
I've seen the mark up posts but did not experience that here in the Raleigh area. A Raleigh Honda dealer was willing to go $500 under MSRP, one in Cary (which I believe is owned by the Raleigh shop) gave me a number that was $1,250 under MSRP. This is on 4cyl, leather, Navi.
If size isn’t an issue, coupe may be the better bet for you. It has more style and will be rarer. That said, I think only manual transmission driven V6 is non-VCM. Honda probably kept VCM out to maximize the performance potential, while the automatic transmission mated V6 is more about fuel economy. That said, why are you wary of VCM? I have a 2006 TL, and that is one thing I would love to have in my car, so it helps get 23-24 mpg in all-city driving and even better get 30+ mpg at 80 mph. (We Texans have managed to get that speed limit legalized).
I think for Honda, a typical buyer may be skipping a generation. 2008 seems to be the car for those who bought 1998-2002, like me. I have a 1998 EX-L with 181K miles that could have been replaced by a 2008 EX-L/EX-LV6, but with miles piling up, I ended up getting 2006 TL over a year ago. Otherwise, the new 2008 would be a very strong contender.
Thanks for the info. I am fully aware that early on dealers will ask for everything they can get. I am actually targeting the first of the year as a time to purchase.
Edmond's usually posts the invoice pricing on their pricing page. Yet they have not yet posted any invoice prices. I was just wondering when we would start seeing them.
With these new prices, though, I would really like to hear from some of the first suckers that spend $34-$38K on an Accord and see what their rationale was for choosing that over a TL.
Well you're assuming there are people paying that much. Most of the posts in this forum are talking about what they see on a sticker, not real quotes that people have negotiated or prices that the vehicle was purchased for.
I've been watching the Honda Accord Prices Paid and Buying Experience and have not seen many real prices posted there.
The dealers are receiving a hand full of Accord's to start, and it wouldn't make sense to sell them all the same day they get them. The next day people come in wanting to take a look at the new model and they'll have nothing to look at. So they mark-up a couple of them to sky high prices and know they won't get sold anyway. That way they have a great attention getter and can take orders for people to buy incoming shipments.
I've received three quotes thus far and they ranged from MSRP to $600 UNDER MSRP.
Before one starts calling the buyers foolish and the dealers crooks one might want to take a look at ACTUAL sales offers first.
No one should pay MSRP for this car. If what i saw yesterday is any indication of what is happening around the country, MSRP or over MSRP is just stupid. I went to check it out at the dealership yesterday. They had 18 in stock! While i was there, a trailer pulled in carrying another 6!. There seems to be plenty to go around. Invoice, here i come (in a couple of months of course)!
Go to Honda's website and "build" an V6 EX-L with the optional wheels, etc, and it is quite pricey.
The car itself is not that pricey. The upgrade to 18" Chrome-Look Finish Wheels at $2,885 when the car already comes with 18" wheels is, however, just a ridiculous price in my opinion.
Quality wheel upgrades could be had for much less.
I paid close to invoice when 1998 Accord had just arrived (can't believe that was exactly ten years ago). And the new models were hot (especially EX-L, EXV6 and most coupe trims). There was a brief wait period involved for many (up to two months on V6 coupe).
Sales people feast on "easy" people. Of course, they will make "their best" offer and see how it goes. You say your price, and stick to it. Even better, make it a fight among dealers over the internet. That was one of the tricks I employed back in 1997. I wanted to buy from a dealership that was closer to home, but still let it fight out with another. They finally beat the other by another $100 and hours later, I was signing papers.
But before the paper signing, they did put chrome wheels on my car and took me out to have a look at it. I asked them to take it off and put the stock wheels in. And also to take off that ugly big dealership emblem from the trunk lid. :P
Optional wheels are "optional". Dealers can't force you to buy one. Like I said in my preceding post, they did try to sell it to me, I asked them to take it off, right before signing the papers (I would have taken it, had they given it to me for free).
And of course, I received a letter from American Honda after my purchase to provide a feedback about the car and my buying experience. And even from dealership's head office. I would get a phone call and a letter from them after every service as well.
just got back from a visit to the dealer to view 08 accords in Santa Rosa, CA. They had 18 in stock already. Probably 12 of those were EXL's, and in the dark colors. They had like 3 or 4 EX's, but they only had one light colored EX (silver), and only 2 or 3 LX-P's. It looks like they are pushing the EXL model here at the very beginning.
I didn't ask about prices as i only had 30 minutes, and I have no intention on buying soon. I just wanted to see the car in person. They hadn't even prepped the cars yet, so they were not test driving them yet either.
The car does not seem overly large to me. Looks fairly the same length as the 07's. But it does look taller and wider in track (nice!). People have mentioned the bug-eye headlights, but I was surprised to see the tailights have a a little bulb-out to them too! Very nice! The headlight/taillight assemblies are very nice looking.
I was especially interested in the interior trim levels as some have spoken about their dismay with the new interior trim quality. My opinion is the interiors are fantastic. There is a big difference between the LX/LX-P interior fabric vs. the EX fabric. I did not like the quality or finish of the LX/LXP seat fabric(saw a little fabric bunching at the corners of the seats, and the fabric has a kind of floral pattern to it). The EX fabric is very nice looking and of a obviously higher quality. The rest of the interior just looks fantastic, and the back seat legroom is unprecedented in this car segment.
Another thing I noticed, and that I just read here that robertsmx also noticed, is that this 08 Accord has nice protruding bumpers. The rear bumper really does stick out about 3 inches off the back of the car. Very nice design. That alone justifies the 3 inches longer than last years model.
In summary of my opinion: This Accord is going to kick competitor [non-permissible content removed]!
I drove away in my brand new 08 EX-L sedan w/o Nav on Wednesday. I love it! I traded in my 05 EX-L and drove away in my mystic green beauty w/o spending a dime. My payments go up about $20 and it is a lease. Specifics were $680 down and $365 month for 36 months including extra mileage (15K). Overall, I'm very happy with the car. It felt a lot bigger than my 05 sedan, but I'm used to it now. There is a noticeable increase in power and I love the dash design and layout.
It pays to have a family member working at the dealership!
"I traded in my 05 EX-L and drove away in my mystic green beauty w/o spending a dime. My payments go up about $20 and it is a lease. Specifics were $680 down and $365 month for 36 months including extra mileage (15K)."
Congrats on your new lease, but it looks to me like you spent 6,800 dimes!
I test drove a V/6 2008 Accord tonight. I was really impressed with the car. It is now the same size as the 2007 Nissan Maxima. Option for option, the Accord lacks only a few options available on the Maxima. I can't imagine anyone choosing the Camry over the Accord: a bigger and better car for the same or less money. Motor Trend just rated the 2008 Accord above the 2007 Camry (the 2008 Camry not yet being available).
Two things concern me about the 2008 Accord: 1) the cylinder deactivation feature, and 2) a possible engine RPM spike.
On my test drive, I gave the V/6 Accord 2/3s throttle. As it shifted from 4th to 5th, the engine RPM suddenly spiked an additional 500 RPMs and then swung back down. This is the same problem reported by a number of Camry owners.
Before I would buy a 2008 Accord, I would want to know if this is a problem with the car and if other owners/drivers experience the same problem.
Perhaps the RPM spike has something to do with the cylinder deactivation system. The shifts that I experienced were a little bit on the jerky side, and I suspect that goes with the cylinder deactivation system.
I can't imagine anyone choosing the Camry over the Accord: a bigger and better car for the same or less money.
They will for a few reasons:
1.) The Accord handles firmer than the smoother-riding Camry LE/XLE. Only the SE Camry compares to the Accord in ride/handling.
2.) To many in this forum bigger isn't better. Although the car is only 3 inches longer than its predecessor, a LARGE amount of posters here say that is a 'big' problem and that they won't be able to fit the car in their garage.
3.) The Camry offers some features the Accord doesn't: HIDs, notably a Hybrid powertrain, etc...
4.) The Camry can be ordered in a number of different ways/options. Accords come equipped in trim levels that cannot be massaged with the exception of NAVI.
Those are the big reasons I can think of (and I'm a current two-Accord owner!).
I know what you mean about getting too big. I have an '05, and while it isn't a small car by any stretch, it is managably sized, easy to park, etc. Just seems like a "mid size" car.
But, I just spent 2 days with an Impala rental. Besides being a dirty piece of junk, it was, to me, a huge car. Unwieldy, hard to park, just overly large for what it offered (it was roomy inside).
I think, that if the '07 is big enough for your needs, going larger is a waste.
But, I haven't tried the new one out yet, and I am sure it is still smaller than an Impala. I was just using that as an example of bigger not being better all the time.
Oh, and I have an '05 Odyssey too, which might have the same footprint as the Impala, but feels like you are maneuvering a Civic in comparison.
Still, the Monte Carlo another guy had was an even bigger barge, and man what huge doors!
I've not driven the Camry SE, but if MT is right, its ride quality is harsh. And I can see that happening if Toyota did go for serious sport tuning. However, it still bounces like a crazy ball over bumps on a highway, with rear wheels trying to figure out which side they want to land.
BTW, which trim of Camry gets xenons? I didn't think it was offered.
You and jaxs, why rain on his parade? Jealous? It's his money and he has every right to do what he wants with it. Let him enjoy his new Accord. Mackabee
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$38.5K makes sense in Canadian dollars (that might be the price tag for Accord EXLV6 in Canada).
We were discussing about the Above Vehicle EX-L V6 no nav. with MSRP of $38500.00 (W/Tons of options). Thanks
I went to the dealer yesterday and had a look at the new Accord EX-L. The interior finish is cheap, especailly the leather quality -- plastic like (no improvement from the old handa cars). The MRSP is between $28,000 and 31,000.
It seems to me foolish to spend so much money to buy this car instead of an Acrua TL ($2500 below invoice = $29,000 or so with everything and high quaility of leather and interior finish) or A base model Luxus ES350 (You can get it around $31000 after $1000 rebate).
I like Honda cars (I have a LX Accord) but the overall interior quailty and finish are poor, compared to Toyato, which made me walk away from MDX (plastic like leather) to get a RX350 a year ago.
How much more it will cost if they use high quality leather which I think will lure more people to buy it?
uh...duh? :confuse:
if they added 'a ton' of accesories (which are never really cheap, even if the model is not a new one like the accord) the car WILL be more expensive. Msrp only covers whats standard, not accesories.
I priced an ex coupe on honda.com the other day, full on with 19 inch rims, and a full body kit, and it was not cheap by any means.
but that doesn't bring into question the orginal msrp, i know that was.
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=45767
Yechhhh. Almost a yard longer... into near-Buick territory.
I'm an Accord owner, so I'm not biased against them by any means. I liked the TL's at the time I bought my Accord but the price difference didn't justify the benefits.
With these new prices, though, I would really like to hear from some of the first suckers that spend $34-$38K on an Accord and see what their rationale was for choosing that over a TL.
mackabee
Accord's length has largely gone into increasing the cabin volume, up from 103 cu ft to 106 cu ft. Trunk size was 14 cu ft (last two generations) and so it is now.
Another trend that is being followed lately (and Honda hasn't done that with this Accord) is not having bumpers. Look at Camry, 300 etc. Their grill is actually the bumper, to go with a stubby face that drops like a cliff. If you hit something with those cars, you're actually letting the grill handle it. Its the new styling fad.
Accord still has a bumper and still has an angle around its grill... there are 2-3 inches of additional length, right there. As you can see, Accord has bumper upfront and a larger bumper in the back. That adds to the length, without contributing to the interior size.
Had Honda made the Accord as stubby (and bumper-less) as Camry, it would be 2-4 inch shorter. I would rather have a sleeker style and some bumper protection.
The fit and finish is excellent as it always is with Honda and the ride and handling are also very good. But for now, I did not see anything to make me trade one of our present models. The Accord gets Bluetooth for your phone, but only with NAVI, and it does not have the driver's seat memory settings of the TL. It does, however, require only regular gas, one of the deficiencies of the TL.
We were also saddened that they made it bigger as we feel the present size is just right for us, but know others will not agree. We are not large people and all the children are grown up and not living at home.
Another fine product from Honda of America, built right here in Ohio. BTW, the sticker with NAVI was $30,000, still $8,000 less than the TL.
I think for Honda, a typical buyer may be skipping a generation. 2008 seems to be the car for those who bought 1998-2002, like me. I have a 1998 EX-L with 181K miles that could have been replaced by a 2008 EX-L/EX-LV6, but with miles piling up, I ended up getting 2006 TL over a year ago. Otherwise, the new 2008 would be a very strong contender.
Mackabee
Edmond's usually posts the invoice pricing on their pricing page. Yet they have not yet posted any invoice prices. I was just wondering when we would start seeing them.
Well you're assuming there are people paying that much. Most of the posts in this forum are talking about what they see on a sticker, not real quotes that people have negotiated or prices that the vehicle was purchased for.
I've been watching the Honda Accord Prices Paid and Buying Experience and have not seen many real prices posted there.
The dealers are receiving a hand full of Accord's to start, and it wouldn't make sense to sell them all the same day they get them. The next day people come in wanting to take a look at the new model and they'll have nothing to look at. So they mark-up a couple of them to sky high prices and know they won't get sold anyway. That way they have a great attention getter and can take orders for people to buy incoming shipments.
I've received three quotes thus far and they ranged from MSRP to $600 UNDER MSRP.
Before one starts calling the buyers foolish and the dealers crooks one might want to take a look at ACTUAL sales offers first.
The car itself is not that pricey. The upgrade to 18" Chrome-Look Finish Wheels at $2,885 when the car already comes with 18" wheels is, however, just a ridiculous price in my opinion.
Quality wheel upgrades could be had for much less.
Sales people feast on "easy" people. Of course, they will make "their best" offer and see how it goes. You say your price, and stick to it. Even better, make it a fight among dealers over the internet. That was one of the tricks I employed back in 1997. I wanted to buy from a dealership that was closer to home, but still let it fight out with another. They finally beat the other by another $100 and hours later, I was signing papers.
But before the paper signing, they did put chrome wheels on my car and took me out to have a look at it. I asked them to take it off and put the stock wheels in. And also to take off that ugly big dealership emblem from the trunk lid. :P
And of course, I received a letter from American Honda after my purchase to provide a feedback about the car and my buying experience. And even from dealership's head office. I would get a phone call and a letter from them after every service as well.
The '08 Accord will never hold sticker longer than 1 month. Otherwise, Honda won't sell 500,000 units this year as planned.
just got back from a visit to the dealer to view 08 accords in Santa Rosa, CA. They had 18 in stock already. Probably 12 of those were EXL's, and in the dark colors. They had like 3 or 4 EX's, but they only had one light colored EX (silver), and only 2 or 3 LX-P's. It looks like they are pushing the EXL model here at the very beginning.
I didn't ask about prices as i only had 30 minutes, and I have no intention on buying soon. I just wanted to see the car in person. They hadn't even prepped the cars yet, so they were not test driving them yet either.
The car does not seem overly large to me. Looks fairly the same length as the 07's. But it does look taller and wider in track (nice!). People have mentioned the bug-eye headlights, but I was surprised to see the tailights have a a little bulb-out to them too! Very nice! The headlight/taillight assemblies are very nice looking.
I was especially interested in the interior trim levels as some have spoken about their dismay with the new interior trim quality. My opinion is the interiors are fantastic. There is a big difference between the LX/LX-P interior fabric vs. the EX fabric. I did not like the quality or finish of the LX/LXP seat fabric(saw a little fabric bunching at the corners of the seats, and the fabric has a kind of floral pattern to it). The EX fabric is very nice looking and of a obviously higher quality. The rest of the interior just looks fantastic, and the back seat legroom is unprecedented in this car segment.
Another thing I noticed, and that I just read here that robertsmx also noticed, is that this 08 Accord has nice protruding bumpers. The rear bumper really does stick out about 3 inches off the back of the car. Very nice design. That alone justifies the 3 inches longer than last years model.
In summary of my opinion: This Accord is going to kick competitor [non-permissible content removed]!
It pays to have a family member working at the dealership!
..discovering an increase in power is great!
..but your talking about a 4-cylinder Honda Accord, right?
What we need here, is a report from the V-6 folks (pref. 6M)
No offense to the four cylinder fuel economy group, but we be talking POWER here..............
They're all great cars (and the measure of greatness is in the eyes of the.........(well, y'all get the point)
Time for another Crown Royal prior to the evening news.....
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Congrats on your new lease, but it looks to me like you spent 6,800 dimes!
Two things concern me about the 2008 Accord: 1) the cylinder deactivation feature, and 2) a possible engine RPM spike.
On my test drive, I gave the V/6 Accord 2/3s throttle. As it shifted from 4th to 5th, the engine RPM suddenly spiked an additional 500 RPMs and then swung back down. This is the same problem reported by a number of Camry owners.
Before I would buy a 2008 Accord, I would want to know if this is a problem with the car and if other owners/drivers experience the same problem.
Perhaps the RPM spike has something to do with the cylinder deactivation system. The shifts that I experienced were a little bit on the jerky side, and I suspect that goes with the cylinder deactivation system.
They will for a few reasons:
1.) The Accord handles firmer than the smoother-riding Camry LE/XLE. Only the SE Camry compares to the Accord in ride/handling.
2.) To many in this forum bigger isn't better. Although the car is only 3 inches longer than its predecessor, a LARGE amount of posters here say that is a 'big' problem and that they won't be able to fit the car in their garage.
3.) The Camry offers some features the Accord doesn't: HIDs, notably a Hybrid powertrain, etc...
4.) The Camry can be ordered in a number of different ways/options. Accords come equipped in trim levels that cannot be massaged with the exception of NAVI.
Those are the big reasons I can think of (and I'm a current two-Accord owner!).
TheGraduate
But, I just spent 2 days with an Impala rental. Besides being a dirty piece of junk, it was, to me, a huge car. Unwieldy, hard to park, just overly large for what it offered (it was roomy inside).
I think, that if the '07 is big enough for your needs, going larger is a waste.
But, I haven't tried the new one out yet, and I am sure it is still smaller than an Impala. I was just using that as an example of bigger not being better all the time.
Oh, and I have an '05 Odyssey too, which might have the same footprint as the Impala, but feels like you are maneuvering a Civic in comparison.
Still, the Monte Carlo another guy had was an even bigger barge, and man what huge doors!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
BTW, which trim of Camry gets xenons? I didn't think it was offered.
The Hybrid has LED taillamps, and I think for some reason in my head I was thinking it offered HID lamps as well. Sorry for the error!
Mackabee
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