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2008 Honda Accord Coupe and Sedan
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$38.5K makes sense in Canadian dollars (that might be the price tag for Accord EXLV6 in Canada).
We were discussing about the Above Vehicle EX-L V6 no nav. with MSRP of $38500.00 (W/Tons of options). Thanks
I went to the dealer yesterday and had a look at the new Accord EX-L. The interior finish is cheap, especailly the leather quality -- plastic like (no improvement from the old handa cars). The MRSP is between $28,000 and 31,000.
It seems to me foolish to spend so much money to buy this car instead of an Acrua TL ($2500 below invoice = $29,000 or so with everything and high quaility of leather and interior finish) or A base model Luxus ES350 (You can get it around $31000 after $1000 rebate).
I like Honda cars (I have a LX Accord) but the overall interior quailty and finish are poor, compared to Toyato, which made me walk away from MDX (plastic like leather) to get a RX350 a year ago.
How much more it will cost if they use high quality leather which I think will lure more people to buy it?
uh...duh? :confuse:
if they added 'a ton' of accesories (which are never really cheap, even if the model is not a new one like the accord) the car WILL be more expensive. Msrp only covers whats standard, not accesories.
I priced an ex coupe on honda.com the other day, full on with 19 inch rims, and a full body kit, and it was not cheap by any means.
but that doesn't bring into question the orginal msrp, i know that was.
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Yechhhh. Almost a yard longer... into near-Buick territory.
I'm an Accord owner, so I'm not biased against them by any means. I liked the TL's at the time I bought my Accord but the price difference didn't justify the benefits.
With these new prices, though, I would really like to hear from some of the first suckers that spend $34-$38K on an Accord and see what their rationale was for choosing that over a TL.
mackabee
Accord's length has largely gone into increasing the cabin volume, up from 103 cu ft to 106 cu ft. Trunk size was 14 cu ft (last two generations) and so it is now.
Another trend that is being followed lately (and Honda hasn't done that with this Accord) is not having bumpers. Look at Camry, 300 etc. Their grill is actually the bumper, to go with a stubby face that drops like a cliff. If you hit something with those cars, you're actually letting the grill handle it. Its the new styling fad.
Accord still has a bumper and still has an angle around its grill... there are 2-3 inches of additional length, right there. As you can see, Accord has bumper upfront and a larger bumper in the back. That adds to the length, without contributing to the interior size.
Had Honda made the Accord as stubby (and bumper-less) as Camry, it would be 2-4 inch shorter. I would rather have a sleeker style and some bumper protection.
The fit and finish is excellent as it always is with Honda and the ride and handling are also very good. But for now, I did not see anything to make me trade one of our present models. The Accord gets Bluetooth for your phone, but only with NAVI, and it does not have the driver's seat memory settings of the TL. It does, however, require only regular gas, one of the deficiencies of the TL.
We were also saddened that they made it bigger as we feel the present size is just right for us, but know others will not agree. We are not large people and all the children are grown up and not living at home.
Another fine product from Honda of America, built right here in Ohio. BTW, the sticker with NAVI was $30,000, still $8,000 less than the TL.
I think for Honda, a typical buyer may be skipping a generation. 2008 seems to be the car for those who bought 1998-2002, like me. I have a 1998 EX-L with 181K miles that could have been replaced by a 2008 EX-L/EX-LV6, but with miles piling up, I ended up getting 2006 TL over a year ago. Otherwise, the new 2008 would be a very strong contender.
Mackabee
Edmond's usually posts the invoice pricing on their pricing page. Yet they have not yet posted any invoice prices. I was just wondering when we would start seeing them.
Well you're assuming there are people paying that much. Most of the posts in this forum are talking about what they see on a sticker, not real quotes that people have negotiated or prices that the vehicle was purchased for.
I've been watching the Honda Accord Prices Paid and Buying Experience and have not seen many real prices posted there.
The dealers are receiving a hand full of Accord's to start, and it wouldn't make sense to sell them all the same day they get them. The next day people come in wanting to take a look at the new model and they'll have nothing to look at. So they mark-up a couple of them to sky high prices and know they won't get sold anyway. That way they have a great attention getter and can take orders for people to buy incoming shipments.
I've received three quotes thus far and they ranged from MSRP to $600 UNDER MSRP.
Before one starts calling the buyers foolish and the dealers crooks one might want to take a look at ACTUAL sales offers first.
The car itself is not that pricey. The upgrade to 18" Chrome-Look Finish Wheels at $2,885 when the car already comes with 18" wheels is, however, just a ridiculous price in my opinion.
Quality wheel upgrades could be had for much less.
Sales people feast on "easy" people. Of course, they will make "their best" offer and see how it goes. You say your price, and stick to it. Even better, make it a fight among dealers over the internet. That was one of the tricks I employed back in 1997. I wanted to buy from a dealership that was closer to home, but still let it fight out with another. They finally beat the other by another $100 and hours later, I was signing papers.
But before the paper signing, they did put chrome wheels on my car and took me out to have a look at it. I asked them to take it off and put the stock wheels in. And also to take off that ugly big dealership emblem from the trunk lid. :P
And of course, I received a letter from American Honda after my purchase to provide a feedback about the car and my buying experience. And even from dealership's head office. I would get a phone call and a letter from them after every service as well.
The '08 Accord will never hold sticker longer than 1 month. Otherwise, Honda won't sell 500,000 units this year as planned.
just got back from a visit to the dealer to view 08 accords in Santa Rosa, CA. They had 18 in stock already. Probably 12 of those were EXL's, and in the dark colors. They had like 3 or 4 EX's, but they only had one light colored EX (silver), and only 2 or 3 LX-P's. It looks like they are pushing the EXL model here at the very beginning.
I didn't ask about prices as i only had 30 minutes, and I have no intention on buying soon. I just wanted to see the car in person. They hadn't even prepped the cars yet, so they were not test driving them yet either.
The car does not seem overly large to me. Looks fairly the same length as the 07's. But it does look taller and wider in track (nice!). People have mentioned the bug-eye headlights, but I was surprised to see the tailights have a a little bulb-out to them too! Very nice! The headlight/taillight assemblies are very nice looking.
I was especially interested in the interior trim levels as some have spoken about their dismay with the new interior trim quality. My opinion is the interiors are fantastic. There is a big difference between the LX/LX-P interior fabric vs. the EX fabric. I did not like the quality or finish of the LX/LXP seat fabric(saw a little fabric bunching at the corners of the seats, and the fabric has a kind of floral pattern to it). The EX fabric is very nice looking and of a obviously higher quality. The rest of the interior just looks fantastic, and the back seat legroom is unprecedented in this car segment.
Another thing I noticed, and that I just read here that robertsmx also noticed, is that this 08 Accord has nice protruding bumpers. The rear bumper really does stick out about 3 inches off the back of the car. Very nice design. That alone justifies the 3 inches longer than last years model.
In summary of my opinion: This Accord is going to kick competitor [non-permissible content removed]!
It pays to have a family member working at the dealership!
..discovering an increase in power is great!
..but your talking about a 4-cylinder Honda Accord, right?
What we need here, is a report from the V-6 folks (pref. 6M)
No offense to the four cylinder fuel economy group, but we be talking POWER here..............
They're all great cars (and the measure of greatness is in the eyes of the.........(well, y'all get the point)
Time for another Crown Royal prior to the evening news.....
..ez..
Congrats on your new lease, but it looks to me like you spent 6,800 dimes!
Two things concern me about the 2008 Accord: 1) the cylinder deactivation feature, and 2) a possible engine RPM spike.
On my test drive, I gave the V/6 Accord 2/3s throttle. As it shifted from 4th to 5th, the engine RPM suddenly spiked an additional 500 RPMs and then swung back down. This is the same problem reported by a number of Camry owners.
Before I would buy a 2008 Accord, I would want to know if this is a problem with the car and if other owners/drivers experience the same problem.
Perhaps the RPM spike has something to do with the cylinder deactivation system. The shifts that I experienced were a little bit on the jerky side, and I suspect that goes with the cylinder deactivation system.
They will for a few reasons:
1.) The Accord handles firmer than the smoother-riding Camry LE/XLE. Only the SE Camry compares to the Accord in ride/handling.
2.) To many in this forum bigger isn't better. Although the car is only 3 inches longer than its predecessor, a LARGE amount of posters here say that is a 'big' problem and that they won't be able to fit the car in their garage.
3.) The Camry offers some features the Accord doesn't: HIDs, notably a Hybrid powertrain, etc...
4.) The Camry can be ordered in a number of different ways/options. Accords come equipped in trim levels that cannot be massaged with the exception of NAVI.
Those are the big reasons I can think of (and I'm a current two-Accord owner!).
TheGraduate
But, I just spent 2 days with an Impala rental. Besides being a dirty piece of junk, it was, to me, a huge car. Unwieldy, hard to park, just overly large for what it offered (it was roomy inside).
I think, that if the '07 is big enough for your needs, going larger is a waste.
But, I haven't tried the new one out yet, and I am sure it is still smaller than an Impala. I was just using that as an example of bigger not being better all the time.
Oh, and I have an '05 Odyssey too, which might have the same footprint as the Impala, but feels like you are maneuvering a Civic in comparison.
Still, the Monte Carlo another guy had was an even bigger barge, and man what huge doors!
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
BTW, which trim of Camry gets xenons? I didn't think it was offered.
The Hybrid has LED taillamps, and I think for some reason in my head I was thinking it offered HID lamps as well. Sorry for the error!
Mackabee
Mack