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2007 Saturn Aura: Length 190.9", Width 70.3", Height 57.6", Wheelbase 112.3"
2007 Commodore: Length 192.7", Width 74.7", Height 58.1" Wheelbase 114.7"
No, a locker isn't AVAILABLE on the Tundra.
Now back to cars..... National Health Plan should be the concern of Washington in a relationship to the car industry and not some billions in researching how to make cars run on water. The private sector will fund this by way of huge profits on such new high mileage cars. Unfortunately GMs electric car seems to have gone to crusher, and Toyota's to the market place. Who knows the real story there?
loren
Desperate men do desperate things.
One of the many things that GM HAS TO do, that Toyota doesn't is pump up warranties to boost sales.
And use larger engines to compete with smaller ones.
First, Toyota needs to develop a checkered past like GM has, THEN pay for more sales short-term with more warranty cost in the future.
GM has issues Toyota hasn't even gotten to yet, like selling small cars Americans don't want, at a loss, to counter-balance their trucks for CAFE, plus fend off the Koreans.
Toyota has so much confidence, the rest of the industry call sell warranties, while Toyota sells cars and trucks. It's all in how you look at it.
GM is looking down the barrel of a gun right now. Toyota's sipping margaritas. To each his own.
DrFill
I'm not sure it will help. We have a large number of parts of the Hillary secret meeting plan implemented... do you know of anyone who couldn't get healthcare in your city? Illegal aliens come here for it. Their kids have it as citizens and keep their parents here because of it. The ones on subsidies know to go to the emergency room using the EMS services as ambulances and the emergency rooms as doctor's offices. We pay the bill as hospital users and as city/county residents because they subsidize indigent care at the hospitals. The additional cost of health care will not lower the total healthcare cost to companies for other than a short period of time because the government control and interventions will run the costs up so rapidly companies will be paying more--and so will individuals who report their incomes, e.g., or pay taxes to the IRS.
As for VAT method of collecting I don't see that coming for a long time because of the lack of trust.
So GM is going to continue to be saddled with more than their fair share of healthcare costs and Toyota will have less than their fair share.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Wheel appearance is just too important to go backwards.
Loren
DrFill,
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Do you know anything about "Closed loop" vs "Open Loop"? Apparently not.
Closed loop is when your engine is receiving info from sensors such as MAF, O2, etc and adjusting things such as fuel/air mixture and timing accordingly. Hence, the term "Closed loop". And your engine is almost always in closed loop mode, except when at full throttle when it just dumps as much air and fuel into the system as possible (open loop). This is fine at high rpms since the engine has no problem burning it all. But at WOT from a stop under load, all it's doing is wasting fuel and creating ultra-high emissions due to unburned fuel escaping through the exhaust. GM has incorporated this 4 sec closed loop at WOT to prevent this which saves our planet and it does NOT affect the trucks towing capacity. 0-60 times? Maybe a fraction of a second, but who cares? Bottom line, GM is being responsible. If you really want a streetlight racer, then you can always re-tune the engine and keep up with the Tundra both in 0-60 times and in dumping all of those harmful emissions into our environment. If that makes you feel better.
Mike
Loren
Rocky
Perhaps this is also why the Tundra has such poor MPG? Probably not since I do not think that the Cafe tests include full throttle?
Will hospitals survive in California, may be the question. It ain't lookin' so good these days.
Why would you say that Toyota will have less than their fair share of health care expense. Actually, can not see how they are responsible for any expense, unless it is in the form of a benefit. Toyota is a for profit company, and not a government program we are paying into for a health care plan of any sort. When a company offers health plans, as many of us have enjoyed, it can as a benefit package of working for that company or store.
Loren
Very true but that has nothing much to do with bigger wheels because it has more to do with the tire diameter.
The tire to body gap is due to many issues, the main one being tire to body contact. GM has had much higher requirements in this area until Bob came in and said 'who says?". Now the requirements are looser and they can get a tighter look. There will be some situations where you can get contact but now GM is closer to what is done by their competitors.
Only from un-informed Tundra folks who put 0-60 times at the top of their list. hmmm? I always thought that's what Sports Cars were for and trucks were meant for working?
Thanks
Whoops. Does it have any kind of LSD?
This discussion is supposed to be more about the companies than the individual vehicles.
We're really losing focus here. :sick:
Loren
oh no, sorry, that's a bad one
Loren
One could have said the same thing about rear-wheel drive, body-on-frame, V8s, and open greenhouses in days past. Those all went away. We may all be driving around on tweels in 15 years.
Loren
If this thing can get, at least, 32 hwy, 24 city(fwd only, Suzuki salesman told me), and 143HP... might be ok.
It seems like Suzuki has decent cars, but they are slower than the others(with similar size, weight, HP), and less MPG, by 5 gallon on avg.
Maybe they should just buy Toyota engines, and drop them in? ;-)
Then they could get 37MPG hwy-29 city, and better 0-60( 9 second-10 seconds).
You think after 22 years of selling cars in the USA, they could get the 4 cylinder, at least, up to 32-34 MPG hwy,like Cobalt, at least.
(similar HP, maybe weight).
That would be the concern( seeing as gas has only been below 2 dollars per gallon maybe 1 or 2 weeks in the past year+ in SW Ohio, once in October, and once in January, around 1.99 a gallon, for maybe 5 days).
If they can hit 32-33MPG hwy...(vs 29-30 for the current SX4 SUV/CUV)... then we might be talking.
take care/not offense.
Sorry if I posted this story again... 2 lazy to go look.
I wonder if, like the airlines, GM being currently the strongest will work in their favor? If Ford, or more likely Chrysler, doesn't survive or is assimilated into another non-GM maker, then the reduction or elimination of one of the other traditional "big 3" will leave a bigger slice of American pie for GM. GM looks most likely to survive of the 3, and if they can take Ford or Chrysler's customers that may boost the volume to strengthen GM.
Today's upright cars, with their stubby rear decks, short hoods with too much FWD overhang, and passenger cabins that have swollen up to accommodate acres of dashboard top and rear package shelf (an obsolete term, but I dunno what they call it nowadays), just couldn't pull off something like a tailfin.
Although, the way many of today's beltlines slope up from front-to-back, instead of being level, it's kind of like a modern twist on the "Coke-bottle" look that was popular in the later 60's.
I pretty much agree with you, though. If the could do it they'd have probably done it when the PT Cruiser was an initial big hit. The Chevy HHR is supposed to be a late 40s early 50 Suburban knock off and it does a pretty good job of it. My dad had a 49 Suburban that he used for deliveries when I was a kid. The HHR definitely makes me think of that thing - though I have to pretend most of the windows aren't there.
I'm getting the idea that retro has run its course with the new vehicles, We'll see.
I'm not married to a particular style but know a nice one when I see it.
toyotas version did not go to the crusher but they quit building them.
From a GM hater/EV1 lover:
Only Toyota honorably
And then Toyota did not build anymore. The press/California elite lambast GM for "killing" the EV1 and crushing them while saying nothing when Toyota did basically the same thing and quit building them. Both companies stopped supplying electric vehicles, probably for the same reasons.
The big issue with them is that GM took away their leased cars (legally) and crushed them while Toyota still has up to 328 vehicles still out there.
GM did not want the liability.
Who was right? Probably Toyota because they kept working on alternative vehicles (GM did also but took a different route with no production of hybrids until later) and got the hybrids out before anyone else while GM was doing the next step with fuel cell vehicles.
I can remember looking at alternative wheels 15 years ago and we still barely have any runflat tires out there today.
Toyota should be thanking GM for the EV-1 project as it was GM research that developed the NiMH battery which made the hybrids on the road possible.
Having owned a 2005 Passat with 17" wheels and tires I can say I would not buy another vehicle with low profile. They handle good on smooth roads. They are not worth a hoot on the average streets in So CA. to many potholes and rough repairs for a comfortable ride. I made them remove the bling, bling ones on the new GMC PU I bought and discount back to 16" full size tires.
A Lucerne might not need that much wheel, but I don't think that much tire is too extreme.
I'd hate to pay the replacement cost on 4 245/50/R18's though! But, as they become more common, perhaps the price will come down.
PS
I don't blame GM for selling them. You see a sucker you want to get in on the cash.
Saw a Chrysler 300 with those 20" -- maybe 22" super chrome & overstyle bling-bling wheels. The car was all wheels. Takes a crane to change out a wheel :surprise: They looked about 24", but who knows.
Loren
My Intrepid is the only car I've ever had with an auto-down window. It did take awhile to get used to it at first, and I'd accidentally put the window all the way down sometimes. But I got used to it. The switches on my buddy's '06 Xterra have, in my opinion, a more sensitive touch to them, but if I drove the thing regularly, I'm sure I'd get used to it, as well.
I wonder how good a job Toyota has done with the tuner people. Scion may be a good idea, but dropping the Celica, I don't see as a good thing. All that car needed was some HP and a way to see the cars on the left side, as in left shoulder driver view. I see Cobalt has been promoted as a tuner car. As popular as a Civic? Civic/Acura I would think is a bit more on the radar of young buyers of smaller cars for sport and show. But Cobalt was promoted well by GM. They seem to be into getting the Chevy name out with younger people -- score one for the new GM. Will be interesting to see where Scion goes with the next generation of cars. Does GM have enough cars for the younger set to hold brand interest? Will the Camaro be a real hit? I am sure a RWD Celica for around $21 to 23K would be a hit, with 250HP +. Maybe an additional smaller four cylinder for those needing lower insurance rates.
Loren
For some reason, I'm just getting this mental image of Huey Hogg, Boss Hogg's nephew on the Dukes of Hazzard. He drove around in a VW Bug convertible, white, with one of those Rolls Royce grilles that were a common aftermarket thing back then. And it had the required steer horns mounted on it, too!
:shades: Loren
Used to be a business along main highway in Dayton that had a white Cadillac with a full-sized set of horns on the front. I believe this was before Dukes of Hazzard. I'd have to see dates on the tv series. I think he had a couple of steakhouses in town. White convertible.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Anyway, Big Enis Brudette's Eldorados always had steer horns on them in the Smokey and the Bandit trilogy, and the first Smokey movie predates the Dukes by about a year and a half.
I'm sure I've seen old Warner Bros and Tex Avery cartoons from the 50's where they would show some oil baron from Texas with a big Caddy looking limo with steer horns on the hood.
Loren